[pippo-c-l]

Oops i can't edit my first sport..
anyone can add betfair and Smarkets?

[allin1]

$25? Try $210.... Between cash bonuses, free plays, & arbs, won 5k in less than 2 weeks. What the smart people do Coach, is take the gamble out of gambling. I'm in US & still get plenty of high % arbs, such as below.

$210 arb:

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were you hitting the books that were slow at adjusting their lines with the market?

[bobbywaves]

were you hitting the books that were slow at adjusting their lines with the market?

Sometimes, but other times one of my outs opens with an opinionated off line.

[jjgold]

Oops i can't edit my first sport..
anyone can add betfair and Smarkets?

smarkets has basically ZERo volume

again why invest so much money to win peanuts on an arb???

makes zero sense

[Digo]

smarkets has basically ZERo volume

again why invest so much money to win peanuts on an arb???

makes zero sense

It's very useful for the big leagues. (talking about soccer).

[pippo-c-l]

smarkets has basically ZERo volume

again why invest so much money to win peanuts on an arb???

makes zero sense

lol
Really???
Why i want win 1k/2k every month with only one click?

[TennisProFrance]

Yes that should be easy to do, in fact if you not making 1-2k per week doing this you doing something wrong.

[bobbywaves]

again why invest so much money to win peanuts on an arb??? makes zero sense

Makes no sense to you, but makes complete sense to others..... Again, it's risk free profit. Not to mention the plethora of bonus rolls cleared & loyalty rewards obtained.

[goombah]

There's always risk. Wait until you have 10 dimes at a shop like betus and see how well you sleep at night. Wait until the times you double bet your game or bet the wrong game while trying to match up a scalp and not have the funds to get it out. Wait until now the juice has moved and you can now only get your bet out while losing 200. Wait until your bets win and keep on winning at a site like cascade or betislands.

[bobbywaves]

I use highly rated outs, not cheesy books like BetUS who don't even accept Americans. So I'm not worried about a high balance, or safety of funds. I don't make careless mistakes like double betting a game, or betting the wrong game. If the line moves I'm either making a little less or a little more profit, not a big deal.

[Sawyer]

As I mentioned before, arbitrage is waste of money if you're covering other side at pinnacle. As long as you take value bets, you don't need to cover other side at all. I tracked this for a year, all bets recorded. Numbers don't lie. You can't beat Pinnacle.

Arber-Friendly books are sharp books like Sbo, Pinny, IBC. These books are arber-friendly since they like your money. They're confident with their lines and if you're an arber, they know you don't have a chance to beat them over long haul.

[stefan084]

As I mentioned before, arbitrage is waste of money if you're covering other side at pinnacle. As long as you take value bets, you don't need to cover other side at all. I tracked this for a year, all bets recorded. Numbers don't lie. You can't beat Pinnacle.

Arber-Friendly books are sharp books like Sbo, Pinny, IBC. These books are arber-friendly since they like your money. They're confident with their lines and if you're an arber, they know you don't have a chance to beat them over long haul.

so if you can beat pinnys closing line (5-10) min to gametime you will win over a years worth of bets? not being sarcastic--serious question. because i started tracking this exact thing for a while but it just seemed so random to me

[Sawyer]

so if you can beat pinnys closing line (5-10) min to gametime you will win over a years worth of bets? not being sarcastic--serious question. because i started tracking this exact thing for a while but it just seemed so random to me

You can be sure about it. This is guaranteed by laws of math. I made a very good profit this year but im approximately -160.000€ at pinny ytd.

[jjgold]

Sawyer is correct

Plus arbing your tying up way too much money and moving
Money all the time

Not worth it

[bobbywaves]

As I mentioned before, arbitrage is waste of money if you're covering other side at pinnacle. As long as you take value bets, you don't need to cover other side at all. I tracked this for a year, all bets recorded. Numbers don't lie. You can't beat Pinnacle.

Arber-Friendly books are sharp books like Sbo, Pinny, IBC. These books are arber-friendly since they like your money. They're confident with their lines and if you're an arber, they know you don't have a chance to beat them over long haul.

I can't use Pinny legally, as I live in USA. But if I was playing at Pinny, I'm not trying to beat them. If I lost 50k at Pinny, all that means is I won 60k at my other outs.

[Sawyer]

I can't use Pinny legally, as I live in USA. But if I was playing at Pinny, I'm not trying to beat them. If I lost 50k at Pinny, all that means is I won 60k at my other outs.

As I mentioned above, you don't need Pinnacle. Why pick something at +100 at Pinnacle when you can get it at +125?

Moving money is too much hassle. There's a big difference between withdrawing 10k and 100k from softbook(s). When arbing, you withdraw lots of money but in fact, your profit is not so much. Maybe you're withdrawing 100k but your real profit is not 100k. You're sending 70k to Pinnacle, lol.

But be it surebetting or value betting, things are not easy like the past. Books limit you quick nowaday. Just pick some value bets and you will be limited to 3.65$ in no time. The Golden Age of arbing was late 90's and early 2000's. Arbing is still possible and can be profitable but definetely, things are much harder now.

[bobbywaves]

Agreed I don't need Pinnacle, that's why I don't go through an agent to use them. They don't always have the best line, I usually get the best line available with my four outs. When you said Pinny knows they can't be beat over long haul, I was just sayin that's not an arbers objective with any book.

[Sawyer]

Agreed I don't need Pinnacle, that's why I don't go through an agent to use them. They don't always have the best line, I usually get the best line available with my four outs. When you said Pinny knows they can't be beat over long haul, I was just sayin that's not an arbers objective with any book.

Not really. It's critically important for an arber to win at Pinnacle. Because if you win at Pinnacle, it means you're losing at soft books. As long as you lose at soft books, that's great. However, When you win at softbooks, it's headache.

If you're watching a game that you have an arb on, you should cheer like crazy if Pinnacle side is winning. Pinnacle doesn't limit players. They don't close accounts. Softbooks do.

Good luck!

[jjgold]

Too much hassle
Too much moving money around

Arbing way easier with credit accounts

[Vaughany]

If you can judge line movement then arbing can be done with those sites mentioned - SBO, Pinnacle etc...

[bobbywaves]

Too much hassle
Too much moving money around

Arbing way easier with credit accounts

All my deposits & withdrawals are via plastic, moving money around is hassle free & quite easy for me.

[Gallin]

Too much hassle
Too much moving money around

Arbing way easier with credit accounts

You can actully make tons of money just by moving money around if you have access to Skrill&Neteller. They have very nice cashback promotions regulary... For example Skrill is offering 1.5% cashback on all deposits currently.

[sunnyblue88]

All my deposits & withdrawals are via plastic, moving money around is hassle free & quite easy for me.

Do you live in the states? No e-wallet is available for Americans, any hint that can help to move money around easy and hassle free? Thanks.

[sunnyblue88]

$25? Try $210.... Between cash bonuses, free plays, & arbs, won 5k in less than 2 weeks. What the smart people do Coach, is take the gamble out of gambling. I'm in US & still get plenty of high % arbs, such as below.

$210 arb:

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One book I believe is bookmaker, do you mind sharing the name of the other book? Thanks.

[bobbywaves]

One book I believe is bookmaker, do you mind sharing the name of the other book? Thanks.

18th hole sportsbook, by invitation or referral only.

[OnkelChris]

The 18th is a SCAM! Do not send money to the scammer Leo. Filed this complaint on 6-6-13 with Sportsbook complaint service. Matthew with Sportsbook complaint service was told by Leo on 6-6-13 that balance would be paid in full in two weeks. Over 2 months now and Leo will not respond to Matthew's emails or myself.
$6913 is the balance.
They closed my account on 6-3 for some B.S. story about betting on a bad line. They owe me a balance of $6913 and said check would be mailed and I would receive in 7 to 10 days. I called Leo Valverde on Wednesday and he said it will be 6 to 8 weeks before check is received that I pissed off the owner. Absolutely false. I did contact John Amato of Bethorizon since 18th is using their servers. John called Leo and discussed my complaint and Leo called me a scumbag. Johnsaid he would contact me back as he informed 18th to settle this or he will pull the plug on them.
I signed up initially with $1800 ** cash plus fees and received an $1800 cash bonus with a 10x roll.
I met the requirements and received a ** payout last week for $950. This week I wanted a payout and the account was closed. Remaining balance $6913. John Amato had received another complaint from a player that was stiffed for $1500. Contact Leo Valverde 866-675-1118 and emailleo@18thholesports.com. Claims that a Luke Soto is the GM. email isLucas.soto@18thholesports.com
I do have a string of emails from Leo since the day I inquired and opened an account at 18thholesports.com. Any other questions please let me know and thanks for your help.

They are using Bethorizon's servers. If you have an issue contact John Amato at Bethorizon. Email is caribtwo@hotmail.com

18th shithole sportsbook

[jjgold]

You cannot ARB from USA

Too hard to move money and no access to arbing books

[goombah]

I agree with jj, your time is better spent capping a game or looking at forums to look for ppl to follow rather than trying to make pennies on a scalp if u r in usa.

[DISTROYA]

I arbed the hell out of bovada for a good 6 months b4 they essentially kicked me out.
they had plenty of slow moving lines especially props. Paid me out
everything so was good while it lasted. Theres always arbing just gotta put in the work and sometimes that interferes with your day job. Much harder to find but there's still plenty out there even in US friendly sports books

[bobbywaves]

Do you live in the states? No e-wallet is available for Americans, any hint that can help to move money around easy and hassle free? Thanks.

I live in States, so no e-wallet available unfortunately. Money is still moved around quite easily with DC & Money Pak. Is it harder to arb in USA? Obviously. But you can absolutely arb in USA, as I'm doing it successfully (Refer to post #18). Between the: arbs, cash bonuses, free plays, & loyalty rewards obtained from my outs, averaging over $1,000/wk.

[Sawyer]

Arbers are leaving a fortune on the table. Just bet value side and let the math rules take care of the rest..

[allin1]

Arbers are leaving a fortune on the table. Just bet value side and let the math rules take care of the rest..

yeah, btcl slowly makes people rich

[bobbywaves]

Value side may work over time. However it's no guarantee of victory, so it carries risk. Arbs are risk free.

[DISTROYA]

of course pinnacle wont ban anyone; theyre the ones WITH the sharp lines, so youre gonna lose to them and collect from slower moving markets; you cannot beat pinnacle in the long run using them as an arb out.

[pippo-c-l]

Sorry, what is BTCL?