1. 06-02-13 03:57 PM #1
    Hadley13
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    Online sports betting legal?

    I have seen many people on this site claim in a few years sports betting online will be legal in the US. Outside of Jersey I havnt heard anything of this.. Does anybody have any opinions or facts on this?
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  2. 06-02-13 06:27 PM #2
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    no chance, maybe 20-30 years from now at the earliest.
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  3. 06-02-13 06:56 PM #3
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    Some federal laws are going to need to change first. It will eventually happen many many years from now.
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  4. 06-02-13 07:14 PM #4
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    Depending on where the servers are located, the act of making a wager on the Internet maybe legal. However the act of getting paid is a whole different story.
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  5. 06-02-13 07:29 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchn_Picks View Post
    Depending on where the servers are located, the act of making a wager on the Internet maybe legal. However the act of getting paid is a whole different story.
    Thats the way I understand it. Federal Government currently doesnt have the authority to Make Online Gaming Illegal as international Internet Regulation is Murky. Only States can regulate what goes on whiten it borders in this regard. What the Feds do have, is jurisdiction over who Financial Institutions can do business with, so they made it illegal for any financial institution to do business with offshore gaming sites. It was part of the Port Security Act to combat money Laundering and possible money be funneled to Terrorists. (or so were told).

    So yes, online gaming is legal, just not with American money withen the United States. Until this War on Terror Bull Sh*t is over, I don't see it happening on a National scale any time soon.
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  6. 06-02-13 07:33 PM #6
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    ahh...this is bringing back bad memories of Black Friday. God Damn US government ruined online poker forever and cost so many of us thousands of dollars.
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  7. 06-02-13 11:20 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazworm91 View Post
    Some federal laws are going to need to change first. It will eventually happen many many years from now.
    Exactly. It will take many years.

    It's not just a matter of making it legal, there are a ton of regulations, tax issues, and state laws that have to be complied with as well. It's going to take a while.
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  8. 06-03-13 12:28 AM #8
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    This law is so stupid but this is the biggest hurdle to start. Then go from there.

    http://www.legalmatch.com/law-librar...2-lawyers.html
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  9. 06-03-13 07:29 AM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sport_Fish View Post
    ahh...this is bringing back bad memories of Black Friday. God Damn US government ruined online poker forever and cost so many of us thousands of dollars.


    Oh no...not forever...Look for Harry Reid's casino operating constituents to legally takeover the online poker world. I would expect the rake to be horrible in the future and of course all income earned will be taxed. What is true is that the hey day of online poker is gone and the reality of the game being just another government income stream will start.
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  10. 06-03-13 12:04 PM #10
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    Horse racing is the only legal gamble one can do online outside of Las Vegas I believe.
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  11. 06-03-13 12:24 PM #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slimpickens View Post
    Horse racing is the only legal gamble one can do online outside of Las Vegas I believe.
    And Horse racing wagering is legal in about 32 states.
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  12. 06-03-13 12:36 PM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    And Horse racing wagering is legal in about 32 states.
    Maybe for online wagering. That cant be true that in 18 states you cant bet the horses. Its legal.
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  13. 06-03-13 12:42 PM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slimpickens View Post
    Maybe for online wagering. That cant be true that in 18 states you cant bet the horses. Its legal.
    That is a moot point. How can you bet the ponies if you have no track in your state, no OTB and you are unable to bet online? It's illegal in quite a few states. Offshore is the only option.
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  14. 06-03-13 01:17 PM #14
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    I counted 10 states that have no tracks on the restricted list for Xpressbet(Legal online wagering site) Then there are several states that allow wagering on the horses, but not through a legal ADW'S like Xpressbet.
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    The current regulatory landscape in the United States is so muddled and unclear it is difficult to determine if online sports betting is even illegal (unless you live in one of the eight states or so that specifically prohibits it). So many issues: federal preemption (federal versus state laws), outdated (Wire Act) and inapplicable laws (PASPA which only applies to state run institutions and UIGEA which prohibits financial institutions from funding Internet gambling accounts but does not address legality or define "unlawful Internet gaming"), equal protection/constitutional issues (how can feds legalize in Nevada while prohibiting in New Jersey?), jurisdictional issues over Internet sportsbooks, dormant commerce clause violations on an international scale (US allows bets from foreigners on horse races but we won't let our citizens gamble overseas with you -- see WTO dispute), commercial speech doctrine, freedom of contract, various and sometimes inconsistent court decisions, DOJ letter of intent not to prosecute individual bettors, etc, etc, etc...

    It's all a big joke. I don't think anyone that has properly analyzed the whole situation can say whether online sports betting is illegal (or legal). It is a big mess and I do not expect any definitive answers soon.

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  16. 06-03-13 04:33 PM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeDidDisToHim View Post
    The current regulatory landscape in the United States is so muddled and unclear it is difficult to determine if online sports betting is even illegal (unless you live in one of the eight states or so that specifically prohibits it). So many issues: federal preemption (federal versus state laws), outdated (Wire Act) and inapplicable laws (PASPA which only applies to state run institutions and UIGEA which prohibits financial institutions from funding Internet gambling accounts but does not address legality or define "unlawful Internet gaming"), equal protection/constitutional issues (how can feds legalize in Nevada while prohibiting in New Jersey?), jurisdictional issues over Internet sportsbooks, dormant commerce clause violations on an international scale (US allows bets from foreigners on horse races but we won't let our citizens gamble overseas with you -- see WTO dispute), commercial speech doctrine, freedom of contract, various and sometimes inconsistent court decisions, DOJ letter of intent not to prosecute individual bettors, etc, etc, etc...

    It's all a big joke. I don't think anyone that has properly analyzed the whole situation can say whether online sports betting is illegal (or legal). It is a big mess and I do not expect any definitive answers soon.

    Government is good at one thing: It knows how to break your legs, hand you a crutch, and say, "See, if it weren't for the government, you wouldn't be able to walk." -- Harry Browne
    What he said... good post.
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