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    goombah
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    Highly disappointed with BetDSI service

    This is probably my first thread I have ever created and it is because I have never felt a sportsbook treat a customer like me so shitty and have so many rules and regulations in place to keep my money hostage. I would think sportsbooks would love to have me as a customer as I do not ever withdraw and I keep on depositing like clock work. Instead, you have a sportsbook like DSI that have a small minded concept of how they want to operate and that is keep the money in at all costs even if it makes the customer feel like shit.

    First I will start off saying I have never made a withdrawel at DSI before. They had a mailing address from 4-7 years ago so you can estimate that as the time frame from when I first opened my account. I am not quite sure when I opened it though and in that time period I have never made a withdrawel or even made a withdrawel request.

    Last night I have the brainstorm to transfer money to my pinnacle account as it is currently empty. I enquire to DSI and they say yes they have it! I say great, let's get the party started. It was around 4 AM, so they say call in during regular hours as the managers are out. I say no problem. They also tell me the fee's are $100 and you can transfer up to $5k. (I will leave my commentary out about the $100 interbook fee.)

    This afternoon I call to get the transfer started. This time they tell me they cannot do it. I need to have 2 withdrawels before they can do a book 2 book transfer. The guy tells me it is on their website this rule. I ask him to show me and walk me through it. He has me click on the Sitemap of a website. If you know much about website design, the sitemap of a website is for Google to use to properly catagorize your site. It is lesser used for the user as a navigation tool. In any case the guy spends 15 minutes trying to find it for me. He cannot because he cannot find it. He talks to a supervisor and they say it is in their internal rules. If you can imagine this is starting to get my blood boil as it is making me feel like they are putting these rules to keep my money hostage.

    Now I'm starting to get livid. I ask him how much can I withdraw by cheque. He says $2500. I say on the website it says $3000. He says let me verify. He goes in and spends another 10 minutes, finally I tell him what he needs to do to see where it says I can withdraw $3000. He see's what I'm talking about. Then he goes to a supervisor for 5 minutes to verify. He comes back and says that $3000 is only for diamond members.

    First of all what the penetrate is a diamond member and is my money not good enough that you cannot honor what you have posted as your limits on your website which is what I see when I login and go to my cashier. He goes and verifies and yes I am not good enough to take out $3000 when it says $3000 instead they play these games like I can only take out $2500 and they hope I will lose my balance.

    Needless to say do not be disillusioned by the charming and inviting chat sessions you may have with them. It is all macro keys and if you ever have to deal with a real person you will see what they are really about. They have lost a customer.

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    I have a good source that says they are losing money

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    Followup, I send a scan of my drivers license. They replied back in very short order so I give them props. I call them back to get the withdrawel started they tell me they are not doing withdrawels right now I need to call back in 15 penetrating minutes. WTF.

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    penetrating? LOL

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    diamond member is there points loyalty scheme it goes up the more you play

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    Busch league shop. Why would anyone play there with so many other options. Especially in this case with the original poster not being in USA.

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    OP just so u know before u can book2book at this place it has always been a rule that u must withdraw 2 times by a method that they send to u before u unlock b2b. Its even a rule to do this to bookmaker which is there parent book, always has man. Oh and they put u in different tiers the more u bet, which gets u better treatment even in the loyalty store. Don't feel like they are picking on u, they are an A+ book.

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    Book to book after 2 withdraw keeps you from just using the as a processor...as does the 100 fee.

    Reason for 2 payouts is it avoids fraud..no deposit and then stopping the transfer..builds a history with them.

    Does it suck, yes...are they a bad shop for it...absolutely not.

    People need to realize just because your a loser who never wins, doesnt mean you get special treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djefferis View Post
    Book to book after 2 withdraw keeps you from just using the as a processor...as does the 100 fee.

    Reason for 2 payouts is it avoids fraud..no deposit and then stopping the transfer..builds a history with them.

    Does it suck, yes...are they a bad shop for it...absolutely not.

    People need to realize just because your a loser who never wins, doesnt mean you get special treatment.
    Plus 1.... nice post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djefferis View Post
    People need to realize just because your a loser who never wins, doesnt mean you get special treatment.
    lol

    absolutely horrible business model. Las Vegas was built around customer service to losers... You lost a lot of money, but had a great time!

    These books would have much more success if they did give losers special benefits.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkwell77 View Post
    lol

    absolutely horrible business model. Las Vegas was built around customer service to losers... You lost a lot of money, but had a great time!

    These books would have much more success if they did give losers special benefits.....
    You mean like 100% reload bonuses, cash back programs, free contests....... They give away tons more and their margins are a hell of a lot tighter than any vegas book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkwell77 View Post
    lol

    absolutely horrible business model. Las Vegas was built around customer service to losers... You lost a lot of money, but had a great time!

    These books would have much more success if they did give losers special benefits.....
    Customer service has nothing to do with this situation. He was merely making the point that just because you have never taken a payout doesnt mean that the book should break rules they have always had to accomodate your wishes. And in Vegas they give comps and things to losers, just like most books give bonuses and rewards points, free payouts, etc etc etc.... Sounds like the OP has some right to complain that it took so long for them to give him an answer but at the same time if its in the rules.. he had every chance to read those too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teaz2win View Post
    Customer service has nothing to do with this situation. He was merely making the point that just because you have never taken a payout doesnt mean that the book should break rules they have always had to accomodate your wishes. And in Vegas they give comps and things to losers, just like most books give bonuses and rewards points, free payouts, etc etc etc.... Sounds like the OP has some right to complain that it took so long for them to give him an answer but at the same time if its in the rules.. he had every chance to read those too.
    True.

    I was just speaking on the fact that the guy said, "People need to realize just because your a loser who never wins, doesnt mean you get special treatment."

    I mean maybe special treatment isn't the right way to put it, but the fact that a book wouldn't make an exception to a guy who has not cashed out in 4-5 years is kind of astonishing, isn't it?
    The rules are there to follow, but you can always break them for good customers. "The customer is always right"
    This is a business, not the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tto827 View Post
    You mean like 100% reload bonuses, cash back programs, free contests....... They give away tons more and their margins are a hell of a lot tighter than any vegas book.


    Quote Originally Posted by tto827 View Post
    You mean like 100% reload bonuses, cash back programs, free contests....... They give away tons more and their margins are a hell of a lot tighter than any vegas book.
    I am friends with the graveyard ticket writer at the Southpoint sportsbook and he says that the revenues generated by the sportsbook do not even account for 2% of the yearly revenues of the casino. 98% come from slots, roulette, card games, etc. So this idea that Vegas sportsbooks make a ton of $$$ is false. They are there simply to accomodate guests staying there. Southpoint routinely refuses to take large action, they just don't want the risk. . . Cantor Gaming (The M, Venetian, etc) take big action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey38 View Post
    I am friends with the graveyard ticket writer at the Southpoint sportsbook and he says that the revenues generated by the sportsbook do not even account for 2% of the yearly revenues of the casino. 98% come from slots, roulette, card games, etc. So this idea that Vegas sportsbooks make a ton of $$$ is false. They are there simply to accomodate guests staying there. Southpoint routinely refuses to take large action, they just don't want the risk. . . Cantor Gaming (The M, Venetian, etc) take big action.
    Many Vegas books claim to have lost money in the sportsbooks for the football season. It is not a huge money-maker anywhere, that was sort of my point. Over a 3 month period books can lose in sports, no book loses over a 3 month period at the blackjack tables, or craps tables, or anywhere else likely.

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    A good friend of mine works at one of the big offshore books -- he said sometimes they have REALLY BAD DAYS... bad weeks... very rarely bad months and haven't had a bad year yet. The books experience variance just like we do.

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    It depends alot which reps and account manager you happen to deal with too. I have had problems with them before but yet they paid very promptly high 4 figure to me mid-April which was a bit of a surprise really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkwell77 View Post
    True.

    I was just speaking on the fact that the guy said, "People need to realize just because your a loser who never wins, doesnt mean you get special treatment."

    I mean maybe special treatment isn't the right way to put it, but the fact that a book wouldn't make an exception to a guy who has not cashed out in 4-5 years is kind of astonishing, isn't it?
    The rules are there to follow, but you can always break them for good customers. "The customer is always right"
    This is a business, not the law.

    Ink I run a small business and anyone in sales will tell you that the mantra "the customer is always right" is dead. The true mantra is the customer is always right within our rules. If our rules or policies were broken by an employee or by some merchandise we sold then we honor the customers wishes, but Every week a customer comes in and tries to get away with murder. Don't get me wrong I agree with you but also we dont know the truth we just hear one of the three sides of the story. The Op's side. We would still need to hear the books side and then the truth to make a valid judgment :0)...

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    Thanks guys for listening to me vent earlier and giving me your thoughts. I have calmed down now, I think it is overall just primarily poor communication by their front line and an unsympathetic manager, if they communicated a little better I probably would not have been so upset. In any case, I have processed my first withdrawel which I'm sure I will get in a few days and will keep on using them I do like their loyalty points that go toward stuff that is not commonly available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goombah View Post
    Thanks guys for listening to me vent earlier and giving me your thoughts. I have calmed down now, I think it is overall just primarily poor communication by their front line and an unsympathetic manager, if they communicated a little better I probably would not have been so upset. In any case, I have processed my first withdrawel which I'm sure I will get in a few days and will keep on using them I do like their loyalty points that go toward stuff that is not commonly available.
    Glad it worked out for you Goomb. Great attitude to have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkwell77 View Post
    lol

    absolutely horrible business model. Las Vegas was built around customer service to losers... You lost a lot of money, but had a great time!

    These books would have much more success if they did give losers special benefits.....
    +1 I agree with this a lot. When I'm in Vegas, I get pretty good comps at Bellagio and believe me their food, rooms and shows they give me tickets too is more than paid for by how much I lose at MGM properties.

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