[Isaiah]

1/8/13 10:03pm $xxxx $xxxx $0.00 Loss 1/8/13 9:00pm College Basketball 526 Georgetown (1st 10 min) 2nd Half -150* <small>vs</small> Pittsburgh (1st 10 min 2nd Half TIME SCORE TEAM PLAY 19:34 40-22 PITT Talib Zanna made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist Lamar Patterson 19:00 40-22 GTOWN Markel Starks missed Layup 18:55 GTOWN Offensive Rebound by Otto Porter 18:54 40-24 GTOWN Otto Porter made Layup 17:55 GTOWN Shooting foul on Markel Starks 17:55 40-24 PITT Talib Zanna missed 1st of 2 Free Throws 17:55 41-24 PITT James Robinson made Jump Shot 17:52 40-24 GTOWN Otto Porter missed Layup 17:47 GTOWN Offensive Rebound by Nate Lubick 16:56 40-24 GTOWN Greg Whittington missed 3-pt. Jump Shot 16:41 40-24 PITT Steven Adams missed Layup 16:35 PITT Offensive Rebound by Talib Zanna 16:18 40-24 PITT Talib Zanna missed Layup 16:14 GTOWN Loose ball foul on Greg Whittington 15:58 40-24 PITT Tray Woodall missed 3-pt. Jump Shot 15:51 PITT Offensive Rebound by Lamar Patterson 15:51 42-24 PITT Tray Woodall made Layup 15:27 PITT Personal foul on Talib Zanna 15:27 TV Timeout 15:10 PITT Shooting foul on Talib Zanna 15:10 42-25 GTOWN Moses Ayegba made 1st of 2 Free Throws 15:10 42-26 GTOWN Moses Ayegba made 2nd of 2 Free Throws 15:04 GTOWN Personal foul on Jabril Trawick 14:34 42-26 PITT Durand Johnson missed Layup, Blocked by Otto Porter 14:34 PITT Offensive Rebound by Tray Woodall 14:34 42-26 PITT Tray Woodall missed 3-pt. Jump Shot 14:34 GTOWN Defensive Rebound by Jabril Trawick 14:25 GTOWN Loose ball foul on Nate Lubick 14:25 14:25 GTOWN foul on Coach 14:25 43-26 PITT Tray Woodall made Technical Free Throw 14:25 44-26 PITT Tray Woodall made Technical Free Throw 14:00 PITT Offensive foul on Dante Taylor 14:00 PITT Offensive Foul turnover on Dante Taylor 13:54 44-26 GTOWN Markel Starks missed Layup 13:48 GTOWN Offensive Rebound by Moses Ayegba 13:47 44-26 GTOWN Moses Ayegba missed Layup 13:41 GTOWN Offensive Rebound by Moses Ayegba 13:41 44-28 GTOWN Moses Ayegba made Layup 13:27 44-28 PITT Dante Taylor missed Layup 13:19 GTOWN Defensive Rebound by Nate Lubick 13:06 44-28 GTOWN Markel Starks missed 3-pt. Jump Shot 13:02 PITT Defensive Rebound by Durand Johnson 12:51 47-28 PITT Durand Johnson made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist Cameron Wright 12:33 PITT Personal foul on Cameron Wright 12:20 GTOWN Lost ball turnover on Greg Whittington, Stolen by Cameron Wright 11:53 TV Timeout 11:40 GTOWN 35-second shotclock violaton turnover on Bradley Hayes 11:37 47-30 GTOWN Moses Ayegba made Layup 11:23 47-30 PITT Tray Woodall missed Layup 11:19 GTOWN Defensive Rebound by D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera 11:02 PITT Shooting foul on Tray Woodall 11:02 47-31 GTOWN D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera made 1st of 2 Free Throws 11:02 47-31 GTOWN D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera missed 2nd of 2 Free Throws 11:02 PITT Defensive Rebound by Lamar Patterson 10:51 47-31 PITT Steven Adams missed Layup 10:45 47-31 GTOWN D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera missed 3-pt. Jump Shot 10:39 PITT Defensive Rebound by Cameron Wright 10:16 GTOWN Personal foul on Greg Whittington 10:16 47-31 PITT Lamar Patterson missed Free Throw 10:16 GTOWN Defensive Rebound by Nate Lubick 10:06 47-34 GTOWN Greg Whittington made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist Otto Porter 9:55 PITT Full Timeout

$xxxx

$xxxx

$0.00

Loss

1/8/13 9:00pm College Basketball 526 Georgetown (1st 10 min) 2nd Half -150* <small>vs</small> Pittsburgh (1st 10 min)

First BI now this. I have had it with offshores. Manager "Chris" won't even get on chat to talk about it.

[rcene]

So five dimes is saying that three point shot came under ten minutes?

[rcene]

Check that, you won the bet.

[rcene]

Cbs sports has the three point fg good at 10:06.

[Isaiah]

Check that, you won the bet.

I bet the dumb arses are reading the play by play backward thinking the shot was made after 10:06 minutes of play instead of the correct reading of 10:06 left in the game. These are not rocket scientists we are dealing with down there.

[rcene]

I bet the dumb arses are reading the play by play backward thinking the shot was made after 10:06 minutes of play instead of the correct reading of 10:06 left in the game. These are not rocket scientists we are dealing with down there.

Depending on if the gamelog is upside down or not that could be what happened.

There is no doubt that you won your bet.

[tto827]

Submit a complaint, I didn't see it myself but ESPN and CBS are most likely right. Some dumbass graded it as a loss, and Chris is too lazy to look into it.

[rcene]

Espn 3 just put the replay link up for the Pitt and Georgetown game. I will watch it myself.

Here is the link...http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_...y/days/days-0/

[rcene]

It is real close. He shot the ball at 10:01, and it looked like it went thru the net at 10:00.

[rcene]

If you watch the replay the action you need to look at is at the 1:35:55 mark.

[rcene]

The camera angle from the baseline shows Whittington shoot it at 10:01, and the ball is thru the hoop at 10:00, but not thru the net until 9:59.

[rcene]

Again its very close, and hard to believe that it came down to that kind of play!

[Isaiah]

If you watch the replay the action you need to look at is at the 1:35:55 mark.

I can't watch the replay because my internet provider doesn't affiliate with them I guess. Anyway thanks for your input on this. I am sure someone will delight in telling us if we are wrong so I'll watch the thread for the verdict.

[bostonboss]

The camera angle from the baseline shows Whittington shoot it at 10:01, and the ball is thru the hoop at 10:00, but not thru the net until 9:59.

brutal beat

[compsmoker]

I have another thread about this wager. I lost my wager as well.

From video proof you can see the ball still in the net at 9:59. It did not clear the net till after 9:59. So the loss is legit and graded correctly IMO. The video is there for proof.

Now acording to the actual game clock I believe I did in fact win. The game clock was at 10:05. However these wagers are based solely on the time on TV for betting and grading purposes. Hard loss but a loss. At least we both have a story out of it.

[cutter2225]

Decided to check the play by play on the ncaa website and they have it at exactly the 10min mark. Since its hard to see from the image, here's the link http://www.ncaa.com/game/basketball-...rgh-georgetown click play by play then 2nd half and check it out

[RonPaul2008]

This has happened with these sort of timed prop bets before. I would suggest never playing these kind of props as it is too easy to dispute the exact timing.

[Santo]

As long as they're consistent it's fine; if there was another case where they went by the boxscore or game clock and not the TV clock then there would be an issue.

[wrongturn]

As long as they're consistent it's fine; if there was another case where they went by the boxscore or game clock and not the TV clock then there would be an issue.

I agree. But I am surprised they wrote a rule that requires much more work to grade the prop. They should simply name an official site, consistent with most of other grading rules, so that there is much less chance for dispute or headache to arise. Even with current rule, I think it is better to be consistent with shot clock rule that the shot counts as long as ball leaves hand before time expiration, not the one that going through the net, which is much harder to judge.

[Bill Dozer]

Books have tried using official sites for these but the guys inputting the info are all over the place when it comes down to the seconds.

A few months ago there was a dispute where the player won based on the same ball through the hoop freeze frame. These threads are good to keep players confident it will be graded the same way if they are on the other side.

[wrongturn]

Yes, but they just need to use ONE official site, like ncaa.com for college basket, nfl.com for NFL etc., then whether all other sites are in sync or not will not be an issue.

[tto827]

Yes, but they just need to use ONE official site, like ncaa.com for college basket, nfl.com for NFL etc., then whether all other sites are in sync or not will not be an issue.

But what do you do if that site is flat out wrong? If I have video proof showing the site is wrong, that should be enough. I think it's as fair as the rule can be written.

[wrongturn]

But what do you do if that site is flat out wrong? If I have video proof showing the site is wrong, that should be enough. I think it's as fair as the rule can be written.

There is no perfect solution. But the chance of that specific sport's official site is wrong is much less than chance of dispute occurring with current rule. I am sure 5D does not really care whether ball goes in before 10 minute mark or not for one particular game, they just want to grade it consistently. Using one official site is the best approach, IMO, because it is less work, and easily verifiable by public without any confusion.

[Spedizzo]

no offense but why bet the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half of a game?

[increasedodds]

It would seem to me if you can't tell at worst it should be a push. Do the points count when shot, when in the hoop, when through the net? Seems to me it has to be when shot because what do you do with a buzzer beater? It can't be at 20 minutes and 3 seconds.

[Alluvada143]

I still wonder how CBS is reflecting a 5 second margin for the 3 pointer throw which was actually shot by the player to the basket only @ 10.01... Weird

[BrianLaverty]

I would suggest never playing these kind of props as it is too easy to dispute the exact timing.

Its not easy to dispute the exact timing cause they only do it on nationally televised games, so there is a television feed for every game this bet is placed on. There's no ands, ifs or buts.. if the ball is through the net by 10:00, it counts.. if not, it doesn't. Pretty simple IMO.

[BrianLaverty]

I still wonder how CBS is reflecting a 5 second margin for the 3 pointer throw which was actually shot by the player to the basket only @ 10.01... Weird

Its just a normal minimum wage job... they make mistakes ALL THE TIME.

[wager1]

Im not saying youre outright wrong, but there is def room for dispute. i just watched the replay out of curiousty and it could be argued it didnt fully go through hoop until 9:59. Either way , its way to close to call. I can certainly understand your frustration being that its marked as going in at or before the 10 minute mark on all the major sites, so you have that in your corner. but when actually watching the replay it could easily be argued it wasnt an official hoop until 9:59. Good luck man

[raydog]

no offense but why bet the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half of a game?

just for example, short dog home teams getting blown out in the 1st half ...big road favs who half assed it in the 1st half...both notorious for making strong opening 2nd half pushes...