[JasonDC]

Hey for once Mike was being civil, don't be a dick, bro.

He came in to a thread where people were agreeing not to send money offshore just to tell us he wasnt on board..you can call it civil, i dont see it that way..he went out of his way because he wanted to let everyone know he wasn't going to support us..the thread was for people who wanted to sign in and agree not to make any more deposits, Mike is an idiot, but he knew what the thread was for, he just wanted to get his point across.

[Counterfeit Cash]

He came in to a thread where people were agreeing not to send money offshore just to tell us he wasnt on board..you can call it civil, i dont see it that way..he went out of his way because he wanted to let everyone know he wasn't going to support us..the thread was for people who wanted to sign in and agree not to make any more deposits, Mike is an idiot, but he knew what the thread was for, he just wanted to get his point across.

Fair enough, that's you opinion.

[SportsMushroom]

Fair enough, that's you opinion.

actually its not his opinion, its a fact, people disregarding a fact as just an opinion simply because they dont like it are idiots in my book (and yes that is an opinion)

the thread title clearly states this is for people to commit not to send money offshore, if you are not supporting the cause yet posting anyway just makes you an asshole

[gilbert91016]

I'm in. Best of luck guys

[Counterfeit Cash]

actually its not his opinion, its a fact, people disregarding a fact as just an opinion simply because they dont like it are idiots in my book (and yes that is an opinion)

the thread title clearly states this is for people to commit not to send money offshore, if you are not supporting the cause yet posting anyway just makes you an asshole

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey whatever dude, fine by me - you two can go poke your chests out at someone else over the internet, cause doing it at me allows me to see you both as assholes (and that's not an opinion, but a fact).

I simply stated my side to it, typing up idiots & assholes and such has nothing to do with me, so direct that silly shit at someone else.

[JasonDC]

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey whatever dude, fine by me - you two can go poke your chests out at someone else over the internet, cause doing it at me allows me to see you both as assholes (and that's not an opinion, but a fact).

I simply stated my side to it, typing up idiots & assholes and such has nothing to do with me, so direct that silly shit at someone else.

Do you think it's possible that the two assholes were the ones who came in the thread with no intention of contributing to it?

[Counterfeit Cash]

Do you think it's possible that the two assholes were the ones who came in the thread with no intention of contributing to it?

I can't speak for the other guy, I actually intended to contribute - you two were the ones that started all the name calling and dumb shit, then turned it into a debate over nothing. I already have a good amount of my funds pulled from books and plan to not bet for quite a while, so yeah. Any other ridiculous assumptions you wish to make?

[JasonDC]

I can't speak for the other guy, I actually intended to contribute - you two were the ones that started all the name calling and dumb shit, then turned it into a debate over nothing. I already have a good amount of my funds pulled from books and plan to not bet for quite a while, so yeah. Any other ridiculous assumptions you wish to make?

I started name calling and dumb shit? I simply called someone an idiot because they came in a thread for the sole purpose to let us know he wasn't going to participate in the cause that the thread was created for..thats being an A$$hole..but i thought id go light and call him an idiot..was i too harsh? in my life experiences if you act like an idiot or an ass you are probably going to be confronted on it.

[tarheelfan72]

In. In. In.

I'm square as hell, had two winning football seasons in 15 years of betting. And the best way to get over having $3000 stolen from me, is to take comfort in the fact that I would have certainly lost much more than this betting offshore in the future. And now I won't.

For most of us this "loss" will come out as a net positive in the long run if we actually do what this thread suggests.

I loved the little fix I got on every little piece of shit meaningless game. Had great excuses when my wife asked me why I was all excited when Podunk State scored a touchdown with 35 seconds left in a 42-7 game. But I'm pissed, just as we all should be, and the principle of this whole thing has been enough to make me stop. I haven't watched a shit bowl yet, haven't missed them, and now I wonder why I ever wasted time and money watching them. Whatever, I loved just watching and pulling the teams I really care about before I started betting, and I'm just going back to that.

And you can be damn well sure that if I ever hear of anyone betting offshore again, or thinking about it, they will hear my story of the B+ book that folded overnight with 1.5 million in player funds.

Costa Rica and offshore in general can kiss my ass. This is bullshit. And there's not a damn thing to prevent any one of you bloodsucking offshore operations from doing exactly the same thing BI did. So until one of you steps up and shows that you actually gives a shit about the industry, I'm going to assume all of you motherfukkers have a balance sheet that looks just like BI's.

My disposable income now goes to better beer, better wine, better golf courses, and better strippers. We all do this for the action. There are other, and better, sources of action, than an offshore sportsbook that can run off with your money without even breaking the law. And if I really want gambling action, I'll fly to Vegas with the money I didn't piss away to Costa Rica betting on asswipe state in the Charmin Toilet Bowl.

[sickler]

Perhaps this should be more exclusive. ie stop sending money to sportsbooks in Costa Rica. They aren't regulated over there. It's a safe haven for crooks.

[tarheelfan72]

Perhaps this should be more exclusive. ie stop sending money to sportsbooks in Costa Rica. They aren't regulated over there. It's a safe haven for crooks.

Yep. And if the BI and WSEX meltdown proves ANYTHING, it's that neither SBR or anyone else has good, CURRENT, information on the financial or management situation at ANY book. People were just willing to look the other way because for a long time, most everyone playing at decent books got paid. Can't really look the other way now, can we?

Sure, Bookmaker has been around since the dawn of time, longstanding A rated book. Willing to fleece US laws to let Americans bet, always pays out. Just like with BI, until they don't.

And, when Americans lose 1.5 million to a scam, the justice department turns their head. They may or may not have any interest in this particular case, but look what they did to online poker. And when they decide to do it to sports gambling, you better hope you cashed out recently, because you ain't getting shit, but you can print out that A+ rating and wipe your ass with it.

For all I know, the owners of bookmaker might just decide the U.S. market is too risky, close down and start a business renting jet skis to tourists tomorrow. And what incentive do they have to pay us if they do? NONE. What will happen to them if they run off with out money? NOTHING. And even if they did have enough integrity to pay us in such a situation, (which I doubt), all the integrity in the world won't get us paid if the justice department is involved. And, they don't warn you ahead of time when they start seizing the assets of the place you've been making illegal bets.

Lot of people were saying warning signs were there before BI went down. Those same signs are there for the entire industry.

[Mr. Jones]

Yep. And if the BI and WSEX meltdown proves ANYTHING, it's that neither SBR or anyone else has good, CURRENT, information on the financial or management situation at ANY book. People were just willing to look the other way because for a long time, most everyone playing at decent books got paid. Can't really look the other way now, can we?

Sure, Bookmaker has been around since the dawn of time, longstanding A rated book. Willing to fleece US laws to let Americans bet, always pays out. Just like with BI, until they don't.

And, when Americans lose 1.5 million to a scam, the justice department turns their head. They may or may not have any interest in this particular case, but look what they did to online poker. And when they decide to do it to sports gambling, you better hope you cashed out recently, because you ain't getting shit, but you can print out that A+ rating and wipe your ass with it.

For all I know, the owners of bookmaker might just decide the U.S. market is too risky, close down and start a business renting jet skis to tourists tomorrow. And what incentive do they have to pay us if they do? NONE. What will happen to them if they run off with out money? NOTHING. And even if they did have enough integrity to pay us in such a situation, (which I doubt), all the integrity in the world won't get us paid if the justice department is involved. And, they don't warn you ahead of time when they start seizing the assets of the place you've been making illegal bets.

Lot of people were saying warning signs were there before BI went down. Those same signs are there for the entire industry.

Eloquent statement sir. You speak the truth. Industry schills welcome as you are adding to the numbers in the thread. Thanks.

[NSN21]

I had already decided to do this, so yes you can count me in. Unless BI players are refunded from somewhere, my offshore days are finished.

[combination lock]

I am in. I stepped away from wagering for a lil while but I used betislands the last year because of what I read here. I deposited a lot and had bad luck there but it makes me sick thinking I only gave my hard earn money to crooks and would not have been paid had I won.

[Footballtime]

I havent and probably wont ever again...to many shady books these days, and just never know.........ill pass and use the local hoodlum.

[andywend]

Made whole simply means a Joint Effort by what is left of this industry to offer a genuine bailout without an additional deposit. It also means dealing with the perps of this scam. Any stand up guys left in CR need to do this in whatever manner you do things down there!

This will be difficult for many of you gamblers especially at this time of the year. Sometimes to get something done you have to sacrifice. Make small bets with what you got left and win them. If you don't, call it a season and forget foots the rest of the year and in January. Tough yes I know. But just do it.

Solidarity can work. If anybody who didn't get stiffed joins this group, kudos to you gentlemen. Business as usual just simply can't continue in this crumbling industry. You can dismiss this thread as stupid if you wish. Do that. Soon you'll have no industry left.

Question is do you want anykind of industry left? If you do, you got to hit them where it hurts. So sign in or continue to play in the Players Talk sandbox with free popsicle stick points. Your choice!

The players that got stiffed by BetIslands are no different than those that got stiffed by Oddsmaker, WSEX, EZ Street Sports, BetEd, etc.

Mr. Jones, did you really care about the players who got stiffed by the above named books or did you think "glad it wasn't my book" and kept playing as usual? We both know it was the latter.

You didn't specifically mention it but its obvious you were one of the players who got stiffed by BetIslands. Since you didn't really care about all the people who got stiffed in the past, why should people now care that you got stiffed?

"Recession" - When my neighbor loses his job
"Depression" - When I lose my job

There is no reason to punish quality books like Bookmaker, Heritage, etc due to the bad apples @ BetIslands and while the stronger books sometimes offer bailouts in situations like this, they are certainly NEVER required to do so.

In BetIslands case, the majority of money owed is to sharp players and it would be EXTREMELY FOOLISH for a book to go out of their way financially to bail out winning players.

[the_orangekat]

I havent and probably wont ever again...to many shady books these days, and just never know.........ill pass and use the local hoodlum.

Until the local hoodlum f--ks you hard with no lube

[big joe 1212]

Posters trying to strong arm the major books, not going to work

[Dark Horse]

It's not about strong arming at all. It's about getting rid of the cheating mentality. Books have the odds in their favor. That should be enough. What could be cleaner than odds? This could be the cleanest business in the world. But with the wrong people, who are all over the CR industry, it turns into a hell hole. This is a fight to get this business back to where it belongs. Integrity. For SBR this is already too late. They sold out. How do you come back from that? The same goes for the majority of books. Their problem is that the players realize this now. Once the trust is gone, it affects all, including the few good books. Therefore, the good books, if they understand the bigger picture, will step in. If not, they're thrown on one heap with the Jon Kretas and, I'm sorry to say, Bill Dozers of the world. I know for a fact that this is understood by at least some leaders. A guy like Tony will shrug it off. What does he care. But they're not all like that.

[JasonDC]

Posters trying to strong arm the major books, not going to work

There is a big difference between strong arming a book and trying to send a message to them that stealing wont be tolerated..people would tell me it doesnt matter to them if i play there or not, well they sure do call my phone a lot looking for deposits..if they dont care they have a funny way of showing it.

[Dark Horse]

I think I can say this, because I've gotten involved in plenty of disputes that didn't directly concern me. It is astonishing to me that so many players do not understand the significance of this case. Rest assured that, if you play offshore, this is about you.

[sneak-a-peak]

I think I can say this, because I've gotten involved in plenty of disputes that didn't directly concern me. It is astonishing to me that so many players do not understand the significance of this case. Rest assured that, if you play offshore, this is about you.

Yes

I cannot believe the disrespect and the insensitive posts that have come in from posters that did not lose money in the scam

When you know dam well if they had been directly affected they would all have quite a different tune

There is a lot of hate on this forum in general and I have just come to the conclusion that the haters are most definitely in the red big time when it comes to gambling..... they are the very same guys that keep these books thriving with their deposits and losing wagers and then they become so miserable they dont want to see anyone else succeed or make money ( or even see people receive money owed to them ) it makes them feel better to see others in anguish

[wrongturn]

The BI collapse is similar to the general motor bankrupt. Was economy going to be totally dead if GM not bailed out? Of course not. But by looking at the big picture, GM bailout helps economy recover quicker and the reward to the bailout provider is much larger than the cost, eventually.

[JasonDC]

Yes

I cannot believe the disrespect and the insensitive posts that have come in from posters that did not lose money in the scam

When you know dam well if they had been directly affected they would all have quite a different tune

There is a lot of hate on this forum in general and I have just come to the conclusion that the haters are most definitely in the red big time when it comes to gambling..... they are the very same guys that keep these books thriving with their deposits and losing wagers and then they become so miserable they dont want to see anyone else succeed or make money ( or even see people receive money owed to them ) it makes them feel better to see others in anguish

There are so many people who seem to take joy from other peoples pain or misfortune..i have told this betislands story to so many people and even people i consider friends somehow seem to get pleasure from what happened to me, thats the sense i get at least. In the past when im on a big winning streak from betting and things are going good nobody wants to talk about it and they change the subject..but if im talking about how im getting my ass kicked and mentioning i have lost thousands then they love to talk about it..it's a fukked up world we live in i guess lol.

[sneak-a-peak]

The BI collapse is similar to the general motor bankrupt. Was economy going to be totally dead if GM not bailed out? Of course not. But by looking at the big picture, GM bailout helps economy recover quicker and the reward to the bailout provider is much larger than the cost, eventually.

This is a good analogy

This can be about one book making a huge power play while the rest decide to sit on their hands

There a few solid ones that come to mind that could use an extra boost because they have been vanilla for a few years while still being considered solid

Look at the potential payoff- as long as they dont start acting shady they will be praised here for a long time

All the threads titled "looking for a new book" they'll certainly be a loyal crowd chiming in with good praise for the such book

BI had a big loyal following who regularly stuck up for the book and I tend to believe BI was being flooded with deposits but just did not mange their risk/exposure so the book would be picking this crowd up and running with it for years to come

Could be a great move for looking ahead long term

[spankie]

Posters trying to strong arm the major books, not going to work

What a douche.

[Ellivennecq]

lol @ thread

[Peregrine Stoop]

sweet... cause a bank run and none of us get paid by these scammers

[Mr. Jones]

Posters trying to strong arm the major books, not going to work

Some definitions of strong-arm:

Using physical force.
To rob by force.
To show violence towards.
Rule or exercise power over somebody in a cruel or autocratic manner.
Impelled by physical force especially against resistance characterized by or full of force or strength often physical.
Rule or exercise power over somebody in a cruel and autocratic manner

Some definitions of boycott:

To abstain from or act together in abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with as an expression of protest or disfavor.
A groups refusal to have commercial dealings with certain organizations in protest against their policies.
Refrain from.
Stay away from.
Steer clear of.
Refuse to take part of.
Turn your back on.
Refuse to sponsor.
Refuse to do business with.
Avoid dealing with.


I agree 100% per cent with you. Strong-arm tactics against the major books would never work. In fact they would be impossible to apply. However, nobody said a thing about strong-arm tactics. Nobody except one moron sir.

[mw00]

this is just like the let's all not pump gas for a day..not gonna happen. long as the sun goes up, degens gonna degen.

[JasonDC]

I came across a website called ************** and there was an article titled 'what SBR should do to remedy the betislands fiasco'..this website could very well have an agenda but the article was an interesting read..In this article they mention that it doesnt look like a bailout is coing for the players, maybe SBR can shut some people up by helping to arrange a bailout..we will see.

Today is Friday..hope we can get that update that Bill Dozer mentioned about a possible bailout.

[sneak-a-peak]

I came across a website called ************** and there was an article titled 'what SBR should do to remedy the betislands fiasco'..this website could very well have an agenda but the article was an interesting read..In this article they mention that it doesnt look like a bailout is coing for the players, maybe SBR can shut some people up by helping to arrange a bailout..we will see.

Today is Friday..hope we can get that update that Bill Dozer mentioned about a possible bailout.

I read this too

These have been my very same thoughts since the beginning of all this

To see them not act on these ideas and make most of it go away is quite disturbing to me

Very very disappointed in sbr john.... i thought much better of the guy

I was wrong

[big joe 1212]

maybe you idiots should boycott SBR since they helped fukk you over

[big joe 1212]

Some definitions of strong-arm:

Using physical force.
To rob by force.
To show violence towards.
Rule or exercise power over somebody in a cruel or autocratic manner.
Impelled by physical force especially against resistance characterized by or full of force or strength often physical.
Rule or exercise power over somebody in a cruel and autocratic manner

Some definitions of boycott:

To abstain from or act together in abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with as an expression of protest or disfavor.
A groups refusal to have commercial dealings with certain organizations in protest against their policies.
Refrain from.
Stay away from.
Steer clear of.
Refuse to take part of.
Turn your back on.
Refuse to sponsor.
Refuse to do business with.
Avoid dealing with.


I agree 100% per cent with you. Strong-arm tactics against the major books would never work. In fact they would be impossible to apply. However, nobody said a thing about strong-arm tactics. Nobody except one moron sir.

I called them a ponzi scheme 2 months before the collapse, took out my winnings and never looked back. You were too stupid to see it coming and you got fukked. So who's the moron?

[bettilimbroke999]

You guys will never see a cent of the BI money but I appreciate your optimism

One time I gave a girl I was dating a nice necklace and we brokeup soon later and I thought of ways to get it back...sometimes in life you just have to accept you're ******