[tto827]

As can SBR's staff and owner

It is up to you to make wise decisions , it is YOUR $$$

However you said "Didn't follow it (BI) much, don't care either way" <---- So your 'stand' is an ill-informed one

I didn't follow the 700 post threads regarding it while it was happening, doesn't mean I haven't been following post closure. Again, if its as obvious as you state, show me your number one piece of proof that confirms someone respected in the industry said BI was FINISHED more than a few days before SBR did.

[Fire in da hole]

Lou,

With all due respect - at minimum, SBR fell asleep at the wheel. When there was the 'transition' several weeks ago - SBR should have been digging to find out what was going on, and if player funds were at risk. Instead, you chose to ignore some of the red flags, and sweep them under the rug as processor and transition issues.


SBR did not do its job. Plain and simple. I'm not looking to blame SBR for the downfall of BetIslands, but I can blame the navigator of the plane when it crashes into the mountain.

If a non-sponsor book were to loose their backing how fast would it have made the front page news? The fact is if SBR were really advocating for the players they would've at least let the players know what was going on and allow them to make their own decisions.

[Sam Odom]

LOL @ Pauly

[5mike5]

doesnt matter if the OPs were "respected" in the indusrty or not, they were RIGHT,

[Darkside Magick]

Lets see how good of a detective U R,

Find the story behind this photo...........

A bird in a hand is worth more than a Bush!

[losemyloot]

All that I am asking for is a link or two directly from another source stating BI was done, before SBR did. I've seen pasted pages, which when checked were outright lies.

With 2500 posts in 3 months you are obviously a mod at SBR. Please stop with the lies and trying to act like you are an objective bystander. You have defended SBR at every turn, it is getting ridiculous. Over the past couple of weeks do you not think that people were coming to SBR for help with their withdrawals? Why was nothing investigated? At the very least they could have sent out a warning and lowered the ranking much earlier than they did. Are you really that naive? Of course not because you work for SBR.

[Sam Odom]

tto , it is obvious you're licking SBR's ass in this thread... That is fine but I hope you're getting paid

[5mike5]

lots of us are objective....i had 0 money in BI...never even made 1 deposit there

but i see SBR stinking to high heavens in this

[tto827]

doesnt matter if the OPs were "repected", they were RIGHT

Yes, but someone with nothing to lose can state anything. Pretty sure posters who haven't gotten paid for a week or more from a book have claimed that they don't have money and are done. SBR woul be in BIG trouble if they falsely accused a book of having no money, a random poster, there is no recourse.

Again folks SBR may be a very guilty party, and they did not handle this the best, just I think that many rumors are being taken as fact and that usually ends up with regret.

[KGambler]

I actually really like what you post for some reason even when you're trashing SBR for different things. Not sure why but I think we talk the same way somehow (maybe different accents though).

That's because we both believe what we are saying. I honestly believe you mean well and that you like to help people. You are very quick to send a PM or try to help a customer. However, I think you are totally in the dark about the true nature of SBR.

But please be fair and factual. Trash him for this if you disagree but he never said Jon isn't to blame.

He said that "If Jon is to blame for something besides being involved promoting the book it would be for handling the sharp players which inflated the debt to users." LOL, wtf. First of all, IF? IF??? You don't think that quoted statement is absurd?

Just what does he mean by this highly passive phrase "involved promoting the book"?

I guess it means this:

- claim to be founder and owner (then later claim to be just an employee)

- lure new deposits with big bonuses even when he knew the game was quickly coming to a close

- lie to customers for MONTHS (me included) about why payouts were not going out, about when to expect them, etc. This piece of shit wasted my time getting my family members' info so he could supposedly send them P2P payments. And whenever I would tell my relatives, who were doing me a favor, that I had been told the payment was supposed to come a certain night, I would wind up getting jerked around by BI CS until 7:00 PM when they would finally say "it's gonna go out tomorrow, they didn't get it in today". Jon would email me and tell me all kinds of lies about what was going on.

- libel people who tried to tell the truth about BI's true condition. Like when a guy posted that BI's owner had been arrested in October, and "Jon" claimed he was a liar and a loser who had been fired for poor performance

- lie about acquiring other sportsbooks

- lie about not being involved with other sportsbook

That's just off the top of my head. Yes, Jon can certainly be blamed for "being involved promoting the book."

[pavyracer]

Here is my question to SBR:

If BI lied to you as you imply then why don't you sue them because what they did to you is a defamation of the principles SBR's business was founded.

[Vegas39]

Never played there but facts are SBR looks bad. from post where John is inviting betislands jon/ SSLP out for beerS. Then stating Jon is not an owner yet his name and email are registered for BI website

[KGambler]

SBR, for the love of god, at least give us the info you have on Jon and Betislands.

[FindTheLock]

that BI jon was also luring in clients during the month of december, while asking for the benefit of a doubt on payout issues because of his track record for superior customer service. When he allegedly left a month prior to the demise of the book.

[manny24]

Here is my question to SBR:

If BI lied to you as you imply then why don't you sue them because what they did to you is a defamation of the principles SBR's business was founded.

stavros costa rican lawyers are very expensive and non-existent

[PAULYPOKER]

LOL @ Pauly

Does Sammy know?

Ask him,Ill bet he does..............

[Sam Odom]

that BI jon was also luring in clients during the month of december, while asking for the benefit of a doubt on payout issues because of his track record for superior customer service. When he allegedly left a month prior to the demise of the book.

Jon was on Vacation

[tto827]

If its as obvious as you state, show me your number one piece of proof that confirms someone respected in the industry said BI was FINISHED more than a few days before SBR did.

Still waiting guys, doesn't take that long if this "proof" is so readily available
You're all claiming that I am paid by SBR, I'm giving you the chance to prove me wrong and show proof, trust me I'll change my tune quick.

[Darkside Magick]

Jon was on Vacation

I need a line for that sam...before 2pm Pst please

[shari91]

Here is my question to SBR:

If BI lied to you as you imply then why don't you sue them because what they did to you is a defamation of the principles SBR's business was founded.

I know you better than this but I'm still awake so I'll play along...

Originally Posted by tblues2005
I agree with you and see if there can be a buyout of this book is possible first. I am still surprised that you haven't gone to the government where they are at and inform of what has happened here. It doesn't hurt to ask on what can be done on that route also. I know the staff there can have all that information on what to do in this case hopefully soon.

I know you guys will work to get this resolved. I would let members here know though that SBR is going to try to do something here to help. I would for sure put a video of an explanation of what's going on here.

We tried that with Cascade. I can tell you its a 100% a waste of time. Even if we could fund the years of litigation there would be nothing to collect. It's a shell game down here with shell companies and none of the money is here.

We uncovered one interested party so have to keep digging. Bailouts are difficult these days because most of the players already have accounts at the potential acquiring book.

[billysink]

A lot of the people posting now are the ones that thought BI was underrated before, and helped vote them #5 in the last poster's poll, ahead of A+ books even. A lot of sites want to be the first to make a declaration, even if it's just a cheesy copy and paste job of posts with no real insight as they weren't the ones on the ground trying to get answers, just like many networks want to be the first to report a story, but the truth is SBR took action as soon it became clear BetIslands was unable to keep its word with its own player payout time-frames. That's not what people that prefer to cope with a loss by levying blame want to hear, but it's the truth.

I cannot believe what I just read. Unfukkinbelieveable. That is either the worst boldface lie I have ever heard or you people were just fronting as a players advocate all along and did not have te requisite knowledge required to be one.

Dishonest or naive beyond all imaginable possibility.

I cannot believe I read this.

[Sam Odom]

This Old Fart (Sam Odom) just a recreational gambler these days with NO CR contacts knew BI was stinking like shit all the way up here in SoCal

Start at post 818

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...-done-p24.html

[KGambler]

Still waiting guys, doesn't take that long if this "proof" is so readily available
You're all claiming that I am paid by SBR, I'm giving you the chance to prove me wrong and show proof, trust me I'll change my tune quick.

I've been ignoring you, because it's clear you haven't really followed the case and just want to score brownie points with SBR.

What do you think of this? Someone posted right here on SBR that the owner of BI had been arrested in the USA. Jon lied and said it was not true and that this was just a disgruntled ex-employee. But now we know if was true.

Are you dumb enough to think that SBR didn't know BI's backer was arrested in the Cantor Gaming/Pinnacle bust (don't know what else to call it, obviously different bookmakers and sites were involved as well)? You don't think SBR guys read the news or heard things in CR? The guy that SBR "confirmed" as the financially secure backer of BI has to be on the arrest list. And they can't have missed that. We already know it was one of the NY guys, and that the feds say he was involved with Jazz (SBR seems to have lied about BI's connection to Jazz as well).

But they kept the B rating and allowed Jon to scramble to find a new backer (this part they admit to). And all the while Jon was here on SBR soliticing new deposits with juicy bonuses, and lying about processor issues and problems caused by Hurricane Sandy, and libeling people who were trying to get the truth out...

[wtt0315]

My post was on Monday a day before. A few of their employees quit after not being paid for a couple weeks. I am friends with a couple of them and got permission to post what i did. In my eyes I shouldn't of been the one to do that it really wasn't my job but I lost a bunch just like a lot of people. I wish I would of knee earlier i actually defended then last week because I was under the impression it was ok. I then found sbr had been in contact with them the whole time they were having problems and knew a lof of the stuff i posted

Still waiting guys, doesn't take that long if this "proof" is so readily available
You're all claiming that I am paid by SBR, I'm giving you the chance to prove me wrong and show proof, trust me I'll change my tune quick.

[tto827]

Why the fukk do I want brownie points from SBR? I just enjoying partaking in intelligent conversations and hearing a fair shake from both sides.
Your post may very well implicate SBR, but there's no factual evidence relating the cantor bust to BI, other people have had legal trouble in the past couple weeks you know.

Pinny didn't shut down and become unable to pay people, nor did other books involved, why does this mans alleged arrest in this case mean that BI was finished?

[tto827]

My post was on Monday a day before. A few of their employees quit after not being paid for a couple weeks. I am friends with a couple of them and got permission to post what i did. In my eyes I shouldn't of been the one to do that it really wasn't my job but I lost a bunch just like a lot of people. I wish I would of knee earlier i actually defended then last week because I was under the impression it was ok. I then found sbr had been in contact with them the whole time they were having problems and knew a lof of the stuff i posted

This is a good post, no unnecessary bashing and informative.
Still, my point is that all these people were expecting SBR to bury an advertiser because of problems. No other site with a reputation at stake came out and said BI was done, so why does everyone expect SBR to have done so?

[SplitAces]

This is a good post, no unnecessary bashing and informative.
Still, my point is that all these people were expecting SBR to bury an advertiser because of problems. No other site with a reputation at stake came out and said BI was done, so why does everyone expect SBR to have done so?

TTO
Ok now they are not an advertiser, why does SBR not reveal their findings. Industry respected management and sound financial backers. The time is now for transparency, not invisibility. SBR John is now Casper the f-ing friendly ghost.

[tto827]

TTO
Ok now they are not an advertiser, why does SBR not reveal their findings. Industry respected management and sound financial backers. The time is now for transparency, not invisibility. SBR John is now Casper the f-ing friendly ghost.

I agree that they should release this info sometime soon. I am in no way supporting the way they handled things, I'm just trying to level the playing field a bit here, and point out blatant inaccuracies when they become apparent. This is about two days old now, and people have already come to conclusions, basically this is the same stuff that led to Ryan Lanza being reported as the killer, and about a million other inaccuracies in the reporting of that story, so why people continue to jump the gun is beyond me. I respect SBR for not appeasing the crowd and waiting until they can verify info, that is assuming they do release the info at some point.

[5mike5]

TTO
Ok now they are not an advertiser, why does SBR not reveal their findings. Industry respected management and sound financial backers. The time is now for transparency, not invisibility. SBR John is now Casper the f-ing friendly ghost.

[FindTheLock]

This is a good post, no unnecessary bashing and informative.
Still, my point is that all these people were expecting SBR to bury an advertiser because of problems. No other site with a reputation at stake came out and said BI was done, so why does everyone expect SBR to have done so?

If SBR puts their name on the line to support a company and that company goes down, then SBR goes down with the ship too. In business your name is everything. Businesses that have people trust in them should not lead lambs to the slaughterhouse and expect the customers to smile while the ax comes down on them. I like SBR, but to say they are not somewhat accountable for what happened is borderline insane in this situation. The only things that matter for businesses is actions and results. The actions of SBR touting betislands to be a reliable place to send money, and the results of what happened to betislands, partially rests on the back of SBR, because SBR attached their name to betislands and ranked them as highly as they did. It is like a friend holding your hand and guiding you while you are blind. You trust your friend to keep you safe and prevent you from running into a wall. If your friend leads your blind ass into the wall after he told you there was no wall there, then he is a questionable friend to say the least.

[Easy-Rider 66]

If SBR puts their name on the line to support a company and that company goes down, then SBR goes down with the ship too. In business your name is everything. Businesses that have people trust in them should not lead lambs to the slaughterhouse and expect the customers to smile while the ax comes down on them. I like SBR, but to say they are not somewhat accountable for what happened is borderline insane in this situation. The only things that matter for businesses is actions and results. The actions of SBR touting betislands to be a reliable place to send money, and the results of what happened to betislands, partially rests on the back of SBR, because SBR attached their name to betislands and ranked them as highly as they did. It is like a friend holding your hand and guiding you while you are blind. You trust your friend to keep you safe and prevent you from running into a wall. If your friend leads your blind ass into the wall after he told you there was no wall there, then he is a questionable friend to say the least.

How do you see that happening? A mass exodus of posters. If that did happen, they would most likely be replaced with new blood. Simple thing to do is not trust the ratings. Enjoy the site for what it is- Entertainment.

[tto827]

If SBR puts their name on the line to support a company and that company goes down, then SBR goes down with the ship too. In business your name is everything. Businesses that have people trust in them should not lead lambs to the slaughterhouse and expect the customers to smile while the ax comes down on them. I like SBR, but to say they are not somewhat accountable for what happened is borderline insane in this situation. The only things that matter for businesses is actions and results. The actions of SBR touting betislands to be a reliable place to send money, and the results of what happened to betislands, partially rests on the back of SBR, because SBR attached their name to betislands and ranked them as highly as they did. It is like a friend holding your hand and guiding you while you are blind. You trust your friend to keep you safe and prevent you from running into a wall. If your friend leads your blind ass into the wall after he told you there was no wall there, then he is a questionable friend to say the least.

They may very well be accountable, no denying that they misplayed this. But my question for you, is if the money behind Pinny jumped ship tomorrow, would you blame SBR for their failure? Somebody was scamming, no doubt about it, but to insinuate that SBR was part of it just because John had a beer with Jon is stupid. My dad had a drink with the CEO of Enron when they were in their 20's, should my dad have gone to jail?

[FindTheLock]

They may very well be accountable, no denying that they misplayed this. But my question for you, is if the money behind Pinny jumped ship tomorrow, would you blame SBR for their failure? Somebody was scamming, no doubt about it, but to insinuate that SBR was part of it just because John had a beer with Jon is stupid. My dad had a drink with the CEO of Enron when they were in their 20's, should my dad have gone to jail?

Let me ask you this before I answer your questions. What does SBR stand for? SBR does not sell hamburgers. SBR does not sell alcohol or T shirts. SBR stands for Sports Book Review. They call themselves the watch dogs of the industry. If you buy a rottweiler to protect your junkyard and that rottweiler falls asleep while you get robbed, then you get a new rottweiler. I personally have no idea what the intentions of other people are. I am just saying that for what this site was built to do, it failed at its job, and it cost people money. I have no idea if the Rottweiler conspired to the heist of the junk yard, I just know that it failed to do its job. If I own a painting service that paints houses, and I bring a friend along to paint the house with me. I tell the customer they can trust me and I am the best painter that ever lived. My friend is not really that close with me, in fact, I just met him and had a few beers with him and decided to bring him along. I vowed for him so he is my responsibility. This guy robs the people who's house we are painting. The blame goes on me for attaching my name to his.

[FindTheLock]

How do you see that happening? A mass exodus of posters. If that did happen, they would most likely be replaced with new blood. Simple thing to do is not trust the ratings. Enjoy the site for what it is- Entertainment.

not literally going down, figuratively. Meaning the trust they earned for their ranking system.

[Sam Odom]

What does SBR stand for?

Sammy's Bistro & Restaurant