[thetrinity]

just stop posting

[PAULYPOKER]

Pinnacle,Bet365,Bovada are the books SBR John specifically plays with.....

This info is posted in the poster top sports book poster poll,


So apparently for US players the # 1 book is Bovada.....................

[Sam Odom]

tto , did you really think SSLP/Jon was on vacation last week ?

[5mike5]

tto , did you really think SSLP/Jon was on vacation last week ?

or hurricane Sandy stopped a processor...LMAO!!

that was a rich 1 right there

[thetrinity]

darkers right this is a risky business, sbr still had multiple outs ranked ahead of them so they really dont deserve a ton of blame IMO. over at clownvers they actually had beted ranked number 1 (as laughable as that is) so that was a bit of a different story.

[ProfitBettingSov]

A lot of the people posting now are the ones that thought BI was underrated before, and helped vote them #5 in the last poster's poll, ahead of A+ books even. A lot of sites want to be the first to make a declaration, even if it's just a cheesy copy and paste job of posts with no real insight as they weren't the ones on the ground trying to get answers, just like many networks want to be the first to report a story, but the truth is SBR took action as soon it became clear BetIslands was unable to keep its word with its own player payout time-frames. That's not what people that prefer to cope with a loss by levying blame want to hear, but it's the truth.

SBR took action AFTER it was well known that BI wasn't gonna pay any of it's customers.

For an industry watch-dog, one would expect SBR to be the one to let people know about books that are doing poorly instead of the other way 'round.

[Easy-Rider 66]

u have to be blind, deaf, and dumb to think they arent knee deep in blame

What exactly are you insinuating? SBR did not warn players when they knew or worse?

[tto827]

tto , did you really think SSLP/Jon was on vacation last week ?

Didn't follow it much, don't care either way, I just think with how much SBR gives us here, we should give them the benefit of the doubt. As far as I can tell, no one was willing to stand up and say BI was done, and to expect SBR to have known it for a fact, when no one else seems to have, seems quite unfair.

[Sam Odom]

Didn't follow it much, don't care either way

Got it

[TxAaron]

Lou and SBR are buried. Selling ratings and player info.

[tto827]

Got it

You can view it that way, or you can view it as me having a more objective look at things not being caught up in all the hoopla that's been going on for the past week. Bashing BI won't get responses here, people want to vent and are attacking SBR with claims (some call them truths), but really the hard evidence to convict SBR in a forum court has yet to be seen.

[tto827]

Edit: unverified info

[PAULYPOKER]

Jon put a "loyalty" free play in my account himself exactly 2 weeks ago...and I was paid a ** last Tuesday, who else would've authorized that?

fyi.......

Current BetOnline Ownership

Who actually owns BetOnline.com today, is a well-kept secret. What I can tell you is that Joe Junior is very likely no longer with the company. This is because in October 2009, Joseph J. Fafone was arrested at the Greater Rochester International Airport on charges of bookmaking. Gambling911 reported in April 2010 that his share of the company was purchased by former MVP Sports owner as well as a man tied to sportsbook.com. However, the rumors on forums that Dalton Wagner is a partner in BetOnline started as a soon as BestLine Sports had purchased them. A partner – just a rumor at this point, involved –well, it’s pretty well substantiated as near fact that he at bare minimum sold the BOS customer list, and equipment to BetOnline and then became involved in their pay per head side of the operation.

[Santo]

The google cache (dated 5 Dec) doesn't have BetIslands on the blacklist. Anybody can put a date there...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=au

[Dirty Sanchez]

I made decisions to deposit at BI because of SBRs guidance. SBR has done me wrong and I won't be back.

penetrate you SBR

They would....but never fukkin heard of ya pal

[tto827]

The google cache (dated 5 Dec) doesn't have BetIslands on the blacklist. Anybody can put a date there...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=au

Thanks, deleted my post, and that is why you can't trust a damn person here.

[gmcarroll33]

Didn't follow it much, don't care either way, I just think with how much SBR gives us here, we should give them the benefit of the doubt. As far as I can tell, no one was willing to stand up and say BI was done, and to expect SBR to have known it for a fact, when no one else seems to have, seems quite unfair.

GMAFB. A certain person of minimal importance here was over at another forum weeks ago warning people in a round about about all the talk in Costa Rica about the sitaution and inevitable fate of betislands, and that pretty much everybody involved in gaming in Costa Rica knew all of this WEEKS AGO. So how does an self proclaimed industry watch dog either know absolutely nothing or sit back and do shit?? And i know the answer but where the hell are these awesome backers for BI, and how the hell did they get such a dramatic rise to banner worthy out of nowhere?

[shari91]

GMAFB. A certain person of minimal importance here was over at another forum weeks ago warning people in a round about about all the talk in Costa Rica about the sitaution and inevitable fate of betislands, and that pretty much everybody involved in gaming in Costa Rica knew all of this WEEKS AGO.

If you're referring to me, you're mistaken which I've already explained. You think if I was in on some big secret and knew something I would've posted anything on a fricking public forum especially when they have a private one there open only to select posters and also I have the private contact info of several people there? I was wanting to see if any of the regulars and lurkers there who I know don't worry about trying to extort books for freeplays like many did here - both publicly and privately - had any cash there as they don't tend to visit SBR any more and wouldn't have seen all of the threads that had popped up. The past wknd I had caught up on the BI threads here and revisited some old threads and started to get a gut feeling that they might be in crap. But I also knew that by asking for opinions blatantly while the threads were going on here, the ppl who lurk there would once again twist whatever I said and run with it when I was merely seeking info from those who know way more than most of us ever will. I've said a thousand times: My risk tolerance is very low. I often think books are in trouble and I'm 99.9% of the time proven wrong thankfully. Which is exactly why I was trying to suss out opinions before letting my imagination run wild on me.

[KGambler]

SBR talked up moron "Jon Creta" as some kind of great GM - we now know "Jon" either knows nothing about operating a book or was running the book as an outright scam. SBR allowed Jon to refer to himself as the "founder and owner" of BI. SBR helped Jon deny connections to EZStreet and 7Red. SBR said that they had confirmed that BI's owners were respected in the industry. SBR Lou said that SBR had raised BI's rating so quickly because they had verified that the ownership group was financially secure. SBR flew the BI banner and made a shitload of money of off the poster deposits. When people located in CR posted about the troubles at BI, SBR banned their accounts and said it was common for bitter ex-employees to spread lies about solid books.

SBR will not tell us Jon Creta's real name. SBR will not tell us who were the well established bookmakers they had "confirmed" being behind BI. SBR will not even tell us what other books these guys are or were involved with.

It's clear SBR is a phony watchdog site. SBR is a scam.

[tto827]

GMAFB. A certain person of minimal importance here was over at another forum weeks ago warning people in a round about about all the talk in Costa Rica about the sitaution and inevitable fate of betislands, and that pretty much everybody involved in gaming in Costa Rica knew all of this WEEKS AGO. So how does an self proclaimed industry watch dog either know absolutely nothing or sit back and do shit?? And i know the answer but where the hell are these awesome backers for BI, and how the hell did they get such a dramatic rise to banner worthy out of nowhere?

All that I am asking for is a link or two directly from another source stating BI was done, before SBR did. I've seen pasted pages, which when checked were outright lies.

[TryingMyBest]

You can view it that way, or you can view it as me having a more objective look at things not being caught up in all the hoopla that's been going on for the past week. Bashing BI won't get responses here, people want to vent and are attacking SBR with claims (some call them truths), but really the hard evidence to convict SBR in a forum court has yet to be seen.

Obviously you're busy. At about 1,000 posts/month you must not have time to figure out what makes sense and what doesn't

[wtt0315]

Lou one quick question
If one of the A books does what betislands did will you guys take same stance or would you feel more responsible

[KGambler]

To top it all off, Bill Dozer made a post today where he said "Jon" is not the one to blame. No really, he did.

I wonder what info "Jon" used to blackmail Bill Dozer into posting something so preposterous?

[tto827]

Obviously you're busy. At about 1,000 posts/month you must not have time to figure out what makes sense and what doesn't

Not one ioda of verified proof has been shown that anyone called this scam out any significant period of time before SBR. The minute I saw one, I posted it and asked SBR WTF? Upon verification the post I quoted was a load of BS so I deleted it and maintain my stance until further notice.

[Darkside Magick]

To top it all off, Bill Dozer made a post today where he said "Jon" is not the one to blame. No really, he did.


I wonder what info "Jon" used to blackmail Bill Dozer into posting something so preposterous?

Again......this is bigger than betislands.....in reality BI is small to how big this is

[pavyracer]

I like this guy:

"Please discontinue my account SBR"

then

"penetrate you SBR"

[Sam Odom]

...and maintain my stance until further notice.

I'm not sure what 'stand' you are taking

Several posters & many posts were made about the impending doom of BI... You either dismissed them or did not read them.

Or...

You believed the shills like DD

[FindTheLock]

darkers right this is a risky business, sbr still had multiple outs ranked ahead of them so they really dont deserve a ton of blame IMO. over at clownvers they actually had beted ranked number 1 (as laughable as that is) so that was a bit of a different story.

That is irrelevant and clearly a deflection of blame. What other sites do with their ranking system does not excuse SBR from maintaining legitimate rankings. Just because this site had other books ranked higher than betislands does not mean that SBR did not tell players their money was safe at betislands. I believe one of the posters with an SBR attached to their handle claimed betislands had deep pockets, and that there would be no trouble getting money out of the book. Trust is a very hard thing to earn, and once it has been violated people have a right to complain. Covers lost it's credibility for putting a crappy book in the top spot. SBR lost some credibility for claiming to have verified that betislands had deep pockets, and would not have trouble paying its clients. Are these scenarios identical? No they are not. Does that make a difference to a player who trusted SBR and lost their money? No it does not.

[KGambler]

Look what Bill Dozer posted at midnight:

Jon obviously spoke on behalf of BI and managed the day to day operation. He wasnt however the one to profit or lose personally off the book and did not own it. If the owner had done what he said or had a plan B as stated the book would be making it's payouts as normal. If Jon is to blame for something besides being involved promoting the book it would be for handling the sharp players which inflated the debt to users. A relatively small amount for the owner to pay but bad debt for anyone who could pick up the pieces. SBR should have reacted better to the lack of risk mgt at BI. That said Jon doesnt have any BI money directly or indirectly.

Considering all of scummy things "Jon" did, and all of the lies he told, this post is outrageous. It's so outrageous that I take it as proof that "Jon" had business dealings with SBR that SBR is desperate to keep out of the public eye.

[shari91]

To top it all off, Bill Dozer made a post today where he said "Jon" is not the one to blame. No really, he did.

I wonder what info "Jon" used to blackmail Bill Dozer into posting something so preposterous?

I actually really like what you post for some reason even when you're trashing SBR for different things. Not sure why but I think we talk the same way somehow (maybe different accents though).

But please be fair and factual. Trash him for this if you disagree but he never said Jon isn't to blame.

You guys are looking at videos and pics of SBR posters prior to BI. Jon obviously spoke on behalf of BI and managed the day to day operation. He wasnt however the one to profit or lose personally off the book and did not own it. If the owner had done what he said or had a plan B as stated the book would be making it's payouts as normal. If Jon is to blame for something besides being involved promoting the book it would be for handling the sharp players which inflated the debt to users. A relatively small amount for the owner to pay but bad debt for anyone who could pick up the pieces. SBR should have reacted better to the lack of risk mgt at BI. That said Jon doesnt have any BI money directly or indirectly.

[tto827]

I'm not sure what 'stand' you are taking

Several posters & many posts were made about the impending doom of BI... You either dismissed them or did read them.

Posters can say whatever they want... Someone who would have had to come out and retract a statement if they were wrong. Dart throwers will hit something once in a while. My stance is that SBR defends the benefit of the doubt until some proof is shown by the other side, not fair to them to get ganged up on and everything said about them to be taken as the truth.

[KGambler]

That is irrelevant and clearly a deflection of blame. What other sites do with their ranking system does not excuse SBR from maintaining legitimate rankings. Just because this site had other books ranked higher than betislands does not mean that SBR did not tell players their money was safe at betislands. I believe one of the posters with an SBR attached to their handle claimed betislands had deep pockets, and that there would be no trouble getting money out of the book. Trust is a very hard thing to earn, and once it has been violated people have a right to complain. Covers lost it's credibility for putting a crappy book in the top spot. SBR lost some credibility for claiming to have verified that betislands had deep pockets, and would not have trouble paying its clients. Are these scenarios identical? No they are not. Does that make a difference to a player who trusted SBR and lost their money? No it does not.

In addition, SBR's websites specifically states that they reccomend that posters only play at books rated B and higher. BI was rated B right up until the end. In fact, they were rated a B long after the end, long after "Jon" had flown the coop.

[Sam Odom]

Posters can say whatever they want...

As can SBR's staff and owner

It is up to you to make wise decisions , it is YOUR $$$

However you said "Didn't follow it (BI) much, don't care either way" <---- So your 'stand' is an ill-informed one

[sharlataans]

Nice nice. The more they talk the more we will have evidence later.

[PAULYPOKER]

Posters can say whatever they want... Someone who would have had to come out and retract a statement if they were wrong. Dart throwers will hit something once in a while. My stance is that SBR defends the benefit of the doubt until some proof is shown by the other side, not fair to them to get ganged up on and everything said about them to be taken as the truth.

Lets see how good of a detective U R,

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