[BranchDavidian]

Bill, do we care if SBR is giving out false information? The OP complains about your reviews being inaccurate. You respond to the OP by informing him that Bet365 is big and profitable, and stays that way by limiting players. This response only serves to confirm that, indeed, your reviews are false. Why does this not seem to be of any interest to SBR?

I guess the answer to the question in bold is NO!

[BranchDavidian]

The silent of SBR is very suspicious in this matter... I am waiting for their answer...It seems like they don't care about us,the players.

I just read a very long thread started by Dan boulton. In it he cites 5dimes for confiscating his balance due to a wrong payout on a teaser. SBR seems to be siding with 5dimes, while a huge percentage of posters seem to feel that the poster should be paid his balance. Bill Dozer and Lou are taking a lot of flack for their stance. Many posters are commenting on how bad this makes SBR look, while very few posters seem to feel that SBR has done the right thing here. So, the small amount of damage being done here to SBR's credibility appears to be going unnoticed, when so much attention is being paid to the 5dimes snafu. It seems that your problems, bitisorin, have been put on the back table.

[allin1]

When it comes with disputes justin7 is very honest and will criticize even an sbr sponsor book if he doesn't agree with something. I would wait for his report/verdict before I jump to conclusions becaue most of the times there is more to the story than is written on the forum. Can you post a link with that thread?

Justin has been asking for a long time for betfair to be downgraded to C. Sbr seems to ignore that.

[benandjerry]

I dont think whats discussed in this topic is that critical. Unfortunate, yes. They are sponsors, so they'll likely have a bit glorified reviews. And as said, its quite commonly known this is common practise by EU books. At the end of the day, you get limited you move on, in all other aspects these books are good. Not defending them, think its a disgusting business practise, but its also not a critical issue... But it becomes far more critical when it comes to books not paying what they do owe, and some matters involving sponsor books unfortunately makes SBR look not very good.

When it comes with disputes justin7 is very honest and will criticize even an sbr sponsor book if he doesn't agree with something. I would wait for his report/verdict before I jump to conclusions becaue most of the times there is more to the story than is written on the forum. Can you post a link with that thread?

Justin has been asking for a long time for betfair to be downgraded to C. Sbr seems to ignore that.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...rs-beware.html

Relatively early on SBR seemed to side with 5d, not long after Justin came in an sided with the player. Havent followed the the recent development of the matter.

[BranchDavidian]

]I dont think whats discussed in this topic is that critical.[/B] Unfortunate, yes. They are sponsors, so they'll likely have a bit glorified reviews. And as said, its quite commonly known this is common practise by EU books. At the end of the day, you get limited you move on, in all other aspects these books are good. Not defending them, think its a disgusting business practise, but its also not a critical issue... But it becomes far more critical when it comes to books not paying what they do owe, and some matters involving sponsor books unfortunately makes SBR look not very good.



http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...rs-beware.html

Relatively early on SBR seemed to side with 5d, not long after Justin came in an sided with the player. Havent followed the the recent development of the matter.

I agree with this statement in bold 100%. I am not interested in these reviews either. What I find important in this thread is that SBR gets informed about obvious errors that they have published, but ignores the errors. Two mods have entered this thread a week ago, but fail to address the problem of wrong data even tho they tacitly admit to the limiting. How does SBR expect posters to trust them when they don't care if they are giving out false info? This is about the tenth time I have asked this question in this thread, but every time someone adds a post they seem to have missed this point --- trying to point out that the reviews are not really all that important, so why worry. Isn't anyone else worried about SBR's credibility? Add this thread to the one linked in the quote above and SBR does not look so good --- which is very worrisome to me at least.

[benandjerry]

I agree with this statement in bold 100%. I am not interested in these reviews either. What I find important in this thread is that SBR gets informed about obvious errors that they have published, but ignores the errors. Two mods have entered this thread a week ago, but fail to address the problem of wrong data even tho they tacitly admit to the limiting. How does SBR expect posters to trust them when they don't care if they are giving out false info? This is about the tenth time I have asked this question in this thread, but every time someone adds a post they seem to have missed this point --- trying to point out that the reviews are not really all that important, so why worry. Isn't anyone else worried about SBR's credibility? Add this thread to the one linked in the quote above and SBR does not look so good --- which is very worrisome to me at least.

Sorry, I dont think I was clear in my last post. What I meant to say is, its a business decision, see it as bought ad space. Its unfortunate, but it is what it is. Does it make them lose credibility? Maybe a little bit. Not a whole lot to me, maybe its because its common knowledge to me, maybe because its at worst an inconvinience to the few players who wouldnt be aware of this previously. The brutal truth will not make those reviews look all that pretty, and may cause a loss of a sponsor. Its a business and they need to make money too. I can see between the fingers on occasions like these.

The line has to be drawn at some point though. The truly worrisome cases are the ones that really harm the players. Wont mention specific cases, but extreme slow pays, wagers not being rightfully honored, funds being wrongfully (or attempts to) confiscated etc, list can go on... If instead of putting the foot down and say; do the right thing or you gotta go (or at the very least say this is not something we support), illogical excuses are made and illogical conclusions are drawn defending these actions, that truly harms SBR's credibility. At the end of the day, this is a pretty shady business as it is right now, and unfortunately one has to put up with a bit of that.

In a perfect world SBR would choose its sponsors more carefully and only accept the truly great books like pinny, sbo, 188b, and not have to make adjustments to the reality in the reviews, or explanations of how issues are handled.

[allin1]

Sorry, I dont think I was clear in my last post. What I meant to say is, its a business decision, see it as bought ad space. Its unfortunate, but it is what it is. Does it make them lose credibility? Maybe a little bit. Not a whole lot to me, maybe its because its common knowledge to me, maybe because its at worst an inconvinience to the few players who wouldnt be aware of this previously. The brutal truth will not make those reviews look all that pretty, and may cause a loss of a sponsor. Its a business and they need to make money too. I can see between the fingers on occasions like these.

The line has to be drawn at some point though. The truly worrisome cases are the ones that really harm the players. Wont mention specific cases, but extreme slow pays, wagers not being rightfully honored, funds being wrongfully (or attempts to) confiscated etc, list can go on... If instead of putting the foot down and say; do the right thing or you gotta go (or at the very least say this is not something we support), illogical excuses are made and illogical conclusions are drawn defending these actions, that truly harms SBR's credibility. At the end of the day, this is a pretty shady business as it is right now, and unfortunately one has to put up with a bit of that.

In a perfect world SBR would choose its sponsors more carefully and only accept the truly great books like pinny, sbo, 188b, and not have to make adjustments to the reality in the reviews, or explanations of how issues are handled.

Good post sir.

[bitisorin]

allin1 are you the defender of SBR???It looks like you are the owner of SBR.

I don't want your opinion,I want the opinion of SBR.Their silent tells me the truth and it proves that I was right!!!

[BranchDavidian]

allin1 are you the defender of SBR???It looks like you are the owner of SBR.

I don't want your opinion,I want the opinion of SBR.Their silent tells me the truth and it proves that I was right!!!

I am also wondering why SBR chooses to say nothing --- and knowingly leave false info in their reviews. They also have a month-long thread by Dan bouton that they are ignoring, plus a complaint filed by Adrianna a few weeks ago that is going unnoticed. WHERE IS SBR?

[allin1]

allin1 are you the defender of SBR???It looks like you are the owner of SBR.

I don't want your opinion,I want the opinion of SBR.Their silent tells me the truth and it proves that I was right!!!

maybe you weren't paying enough attention while reading, or maybe my english is not as good as I though (not my primary language)

My point was that I don't care because I didn't expect much in the first place. They are a business and I wouldn't be surprised if they took money in order to give better reviews or ratings. Just because they are giving away points than can be converted to money that doesn't mean they are a charity. How do you think they keep their business profitable?

They make money from bettors that lose it at the bookies!!!
Did you really thought they were supposed to be that prince in shiny armor defender of justice and truth?
There is only one guy I trust from the whole SBR bunch and that is Justin, who is actually more of a consultant than an employee. He has been asking for a rating downgrade of betfair to C for years and the powers that be have done nothing about it... More valuable information is on the forums than in any reviews or ratings.

I don't understand why people make such a big fuss about this. Did they really thought that Dalai Lama was running this place and that it was a charity? welcome to reality

[allin1]

I am also wondering why SBR chooses to say nothing --- and knowingly leave false info in their reviews. They also have a month-long thread by Dan bouton that they are ignoring, plus a complaint filed by Adrianna a few weeks ago that is going unnoticed. WHERE IS SBR?

SBR is to busy making money and running the show. We should be busy making money too, instead of wasting time with who does what and why on the internet. You guys act like you caught the president being a Russian spy. Why the big fuss?

[bitisorin]

Because SBR don't play fair,because of their lies on this site.Why did you defend them?Are you one of them?

[allin1]

Because SBR don't play fair,because of their lies on this site.Why did you defend them?Are you one of them?

How good is your English? Where did you get the idea that I defend them? I don't defend them. I just don't care (it's a big difference) and I don't want to make such a big drama out of their "lies" because I didn't expect more in the first place.

[allin1]

I had a good winning streak around here and used the betpoints from the sbr store. When it was possible I converted them to cash, then when I wasn't able to convert to cash anymore, I bought a gps navigation system, some great sony ear buds that I use every day and a great book about sports betting that changed my life... and you want me to complain about some little lies about some details that actually don't affect 99% of the sports bettors out there? No thanks. I am good. They have done nothing to upset me, on the contrary I had only to win from this. I have learned a lot from the handicap think tank and I still have tons to learn.

When you see an apple tree why complain about the rotten apples on the ground instead of enjoying the good healthy ones waiting to be picked?

[bitisorin]

"Where did you get the idea that I defend them? I don't defend them. I just don't care (it's a big difference) and I don't want to make such a big drama out of their "lies" because I didn't expect more in the first place"

You don't care but you are still posting and defending them.If this thread bothers you, please do not read and do not comment anymore.

If you do not care why comment?

[allin1]

"Where did you get the idea that I defend them? I don't defend them. I just don't care (it's a big difference) and I don't want to make such a big drama out of their "lies" because I didn't expect more in the first place"

You don't care but you are still posting and defending them.If this thread bothers you, please do not read and do not comment anymore.

If you do not care why comment?

If you will read my posts carefully you will notice that I didn't defend their lies. I just said they are not important and will not affect you unless you don't have anything to do but to waste your time with every crap on the internet.

Good luck mate

[bitisorin]

It's my time and I decide how I spend it.Good luck!
I am still waiting for SBR feedback!

[BranchDavidian]

Where is sbr?

[tyson895]

tyson895, b365 is a recreational book. they don't like big winners or anyone who seems to have an edge on them. they reserve the right to not take your action if they don't want it

Allin1, you are right, they do reserve that right. If I was a big winner !!!!! I deposited over $12,000 in about a year and a half span, then I made 2 withdrawals in about a month for a total of $8000. Then I was limited..... If my calculations are correct, they are up 4 grand from me. Maybe they think I was on a hot streak, so why lose more?????? Let's limit him..... I know when I'm on a hot streak in Vegas, they sure don't want me to leave, or limit me.
I just want bettors to know that if you lose money to 365 that you may not get the chance to win it back.
I repeat, they pay for the "A" rating..............

[YPS]

If I was a big winner !!!!! I deposited over $12,000 in about a year and a half span, then I made 2 withdrawals in about a month for a total of $8000. Then I was limited..... If my calculations are correct, they are up 4 grand from me.

It doesn´t matter if you win or lose.
Maybe you stay a little bit longer when you lose.
I lost 12.000 Euro to them and was limited after 5 weeks.

[tyson895]

It doesn´t matter if you win or lose.
Maybe you stay a little bit longer when you lose.
I lost 12.000 Euro to them and was limited after 5 weeks.

$12,000 CDN. Like I said it was within a year and a half span. Not sure where you got the 5 weeks from. Of course it matters if you win or lose. I lost for a year and a half and they never limited my wagers, only limited once I made a withdrawal.

[YPS]

ok then

[bitisorin]

I am still waiting for a reaction from SBR...

[sharpcircle]

allin1,

you defend SBR in a situation that SBR won't even defend themselves. if you're not getting paid you are a moron of the highest level.

[bitisorin]

And the reaction of SBR is...............SILENT!!!!!!!!!!!

[allin1]

allin1,

you defend SBR in a situation that SBR won't even defend themselves. if you're not getting paid you are a moron of the highest level.

I am not getting paid but I haven't defended sbr. Learn to read English before you start insulting people. Have a nice day and God bless!

[allin1]

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[tyson895]

Still no response from SBR. I stopped trusting SBR after I had a complaint with sportsbetting.com closing my account with $8000 in it. Justin supposedly contacted them and said he couldn't help since management would not give him a reason. It was then that I knew for sure that books pay SBR for high grading, uuumm "Betislands". Seriously think about it, how could anyone think that some shit assed banner ads pay the bills...... Hey SBR

[Scooter]

I am not getting paid but I haven't defended sbr. Learn to read English before you start insulting people. Have a nice day and God bless!

You claim you don't care about the subject of this post, yet you've made 18 posts in a 2 page thread.

It's obvious you care very much.

[allin1]

You claim you don't care about the subject of this post, yet you've made 18 posts in a 2 page thread.

It's obvious you care very much.

Yeah you're right, I wake up in the middle of the night sweating worrying about this thread.

[allin1]

You claim you don't care about the subject of this post, yet you've made 18 posts in a 2 page thread.

It's obvious you care very much.

Your logic is very good. Thank you for the free session. Now I know myself better.

And thanks for counting my posts. Now I know how much I should get payed for my "activity" here... in sbr condoms of course

[bitisorin]

From SBR TERMS OF SERVICE:

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[Mr. Jones]

Bet365 has the world's best in-game betting platform. They take as many bets through it as they do regular bets. They could actually take only live betting and still be one of the biggest and profitable.

Regarding risk mgt. if you are posting in a forum you are going to know more than 99% of the bettors at 365. Most books do have limits so depending on who you are and what you know, your personal ratings are going to be obviously different. For some, betfair, SBObet and Pinnacle are the only A rated bookies.

Nobody gives a flying fu*k about anything you say on here you poss.

[bitisorin]

I am still waiting,SBR...

[stepanko86]

Betfair swindlers. They block accounts with the huge sums and don't want to do payment to the clients. Read http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...y-players.html