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[StephonAllstar]

I just don't see how anyone who bets offshore does not know about KYC and how it always requires a Utility bill confirmation. There are steps to be done to make withdrawals go easy when the time comes, and you seemingly did the opposite for all of them. That's why they are suspicious. I posted a potentially helpful article on the 'DDD tactic' , its on the arbuser site. If you are really 100% on your own and this is a miscarriage of justice, you'll probably need a lawyer.

I see in your last screenshot you are getting close with NY Mellon and Discover bank. Other than the $20,000 issue, sounds like you are home free finally. You beat them.

You never did mention any of your wins to get to $230,000. I'd be interested in knowing the amounts and reasoning. "Bet $20,000 on the Red Sox since they lost the day before". Just curious.

Bro im not tryna be rude but are you even reading these posts? because they never asked for a utility bill, I woud have given that no problem. They wanted a bill of my textnow number which has been deleted for months. Its a phone number that made from a app on your phone. You dont get billed and it def aint no "utility" bill. Thats all that was. if they wanted any other bill it woulda been cake

I just be going most off feelin. I got there in like 5 bets they was all big all ins pretty much

I beat them huh? You agree theres nothing else they could possibly ask for right? I took multiple days off work to go bank hunti, selfie after selfie after selfie, time to pay up rightttt????


check out the post below

[jamesrav]

I just don't see how anyone who bets offshore does not know about KYC and how it always requires a Utility bill confirmation. There are steps to be done to make withdrawals go easy when the time comes, and you seemingly did the opposite for all of them. That's why they are suspicious. I posted a potentially helpful article on the 'DDD tactic' , its on the arbuser site. If you are really 100% on your own and this is a miscarriage of justice, you'll probably need a lawyer.

I see in your last screenshot you are getting close with NY Mellon and Discover bank. Other than the $20,000 issue, sounds like you are home free finally. You beat them.

You never did mention any of your wins to get to $230,000. I'd be interested in knowing the amounts and reasoning. "Bet $20,000 on the Red Sox since they lost the day before". Just curious.

[StephonAllstar]

[Eddy Munny]

Do they call you the Sultan of Screenshots?

[StephonAllstar]

Guys I missed a screenshot in the message above, i just added it make sure you read that becaseu it looks like i just ignored his question without that screenshot

[StephonAllstar]

[StephonAllstar]

this kind of money should mean you're an experienced bettor, and its been pretty standard that everyone requires a current utility bill to get verified. You should have seen that coming. If this is all legit, they are now going to use any technicality to delay things. Maybe the secrecy thing is completely normal, but in retrospect having a legit phone, utility bill would make things go much smoother. Knowing beforehand if they'd allow withdrawals to BTC rather than a bank would also have been good to know. I think once $10,000 lands in your account the bank will report it and the questions will begin. If all $230K goes in, good luck.

Anyone who can turn $45K into $230K (how long did it take?) should be offering a tipping service. I think a screenshot showing a deposit of $45K and a current balance of $230K would be a big draw. The board was recently discussing how many people make money sports betting , with Betfair its supposedly 1 in a 100. Making $185K probably puts you in the 1 in 1000 or 1 in 10000 group.

your not making any sense. just cause somebody gets up on the books dont make them a winner lmao. if i kept bettin im sure i would lose which is prob what they want me to do. your saying anyone who gets up on the books is a 1-100, its only a 1-100 if you a long term winner not just up

[StephonAllstar]

this kind of money should mean you're an experienced bettor, and its been pretty standard that everyone requires a current utility bill to get verified. You should have seen that coming. If this is all legit, they are now going to use any technicality to delay things. Maybe the secrecy thing is completely normal, but in retrospect having a legit phone, utility bill would make things go much smoother. Knowing beforehand if they'd allow withdrawals to BTC rather than a bank would also have been good to know. I think once $10,000 lands in your account the bank will report it and the questions will begin. If all $230K goes in, good luck.

Anyone who can turn $45K into $230K (how long did it take?) should be offering a tipping service. I think a screenshot showing a deposit of $45K and a current balance of $230K would be a big draw. The board was recently discussing how many people make money sports betting , with Betfair its supposedly 1 in a 100. Making $185K probably puts you in the 1 in 1000 or 1 in 10000 group.

bro your not paying attention. i literally already uploaded the screenshot of my balance. you should read more before you start implyin that i did anything wrong

[Thefix13]

Fascinating to read, I get the feeling that some people here know what might be going on but nobody wants to chime in. I guess explaining what 'buying accounts' and this gnome thing are, are counter-productive to the legit purpose of the board. But there are some 'possible' red flags here: account opened with a disconnected phone #, using this 'text now' service, having $45,000 (or 'thereabouts', he wasnt sure what the deposit was) , stating he was "down" $100,000 (not possible with a $45K deposit, unless he meant prior to this deposit and 'run up', he'd previously been down $100K cumulatively over the years ), being confused about a Utility bill, going to work when you have $230,000 coming your way any day now, and blatantly saying avoiding taxes was a goal. Should be a movie. My life is so boring by comparison, and this guy is still a kid.

Stop making sense!

[DwightShrute]

If they are recruiting a lot of gnome accounts, it's often suspected to be a match fixing syndicate.

They can also be used to manipulate odds before the real bets go on. Which is sometimes characterized in complaints by a bettor that is making extra large deposits and bets but comes across like they don't know a lot about betting or the industry. And will often come on here or submit a complaint saying something like "I was down 100k and I suddenly won 150k and am now stuck in this kyc stuff and don't know why".

or they can simply be used by 'sharp bettors' trying to get more money down on their picks.

[Optional]

I'm sure the ringleader would disagree lol. That gets interesting if the 'street guy' insists no $$ landed in his account and disappears. Would make a good movie. These bonuses - are they a substantial % of the deposit? In this case it was apparently about $45K deposited (he wasn't sure ... for some reason I'd remember the amount). I guess its not your typical $200 bonus with that kind of deposit. If they match with a 10% or 20% bonus of the deposit, that gives a lot of betting opportunities. I know Betfair has a lot of casino games on their site, is it typical that these rings would be betting sports or casino games? Betting sports in a coordinated fashion to minimize risk and use the bonuses to max effect? But in the end, this account did run up via betting or casino games to the tune of $185K ? well done.

and the above is simply conjecture, giving the benefit of the doubt to the OP that it's just him and this is all a big misunderstanding.

If they are recruiting a lot of gnome accounts, it's often suspected to be a match fixing syndicate.

They can also be used to manipulate odds before the real bets go on. Which is sometimes characterized in complaints by a bettor that is making extra large deposits and bets but comes across like they don't know a lot about betting or the industry. And will often come on here or submit a complaint saying something like "I was down 100k and I suddenly won 150k and am now stuck in this kyc stuff and don't know why".

or they can simply be used by 'sharp bettors' trying to get more money down on their picks.

[jamesrav]

The homeless guy on the street paid $50 to use his ID is suddenly the only one that can be paid $250k, and he doesn't owe anything to the ringleader.

I'm sure the ringleader would disagree lol. That gets interesting if the 'street guy' insists no $$ landed in his account and disappears. Would make a good movie. These bonuses - are they a substantial % of the deposit? In this case it was apparently about $45K deposited (he wasn't sure ... for some reason I'd remember the amount). I guess its not your typical $200 bonus with that kind of deposit. If they match with a 10% or 20% bonus of the deposit, that gives a lot of betting opportunities. I know Betfair has a lot of casino games on their site, is it typical that these rings would be betting sports or casino games? Betting sports in a coordinated fashion to minimize risk and use the bonuses to max effect? But in the end, this account did run up via betting or casino games to the tune of $185K ? well done.

and the above is simply conjecture, giving the benefit of the doubt to the OP that it's just him and this is all a big misunderstanding.

[Brooklyn Dick]

Does anyone here realize that Bookmaker/Betcris does NOT have a legal license to book in the US?...Because they DO NOT..

[vampire assassin]

That's the catch, isn't it? People sign-up with the option of Crypto deposit & withdrawal, but then Bookmaker (and other books) says "Nope, you can only withdraw with wire."
Now, maybe the book has legitimate reasons for specifying a wire. Maybe it discourages some of the "bad" actors.
But for a regular player, I can understand why the wire is a surprise.

This doesn't happen to regular players. It only happens to players that have a suspicious MO (mainly bonus abuse consistent with multi-accounting) with questions about if it's really them (like fake phone, banking with a bank that doesn't use SWIFT, and 100k BTC deposits while working at a fast-food place). In a classic bonus racket, the master buys 50 IDs/accounts at $50/head. 5 win, 45 lose. If the actual ID owner gets paid the winnings (like here via wire) it's really disruptive to bonus abuse rings. The homeless guy on the street paid $50 to use his ID is suddenly the only one that can be paid $250k, and he doesn't owe anything to the ringleader.

[jamesrav]

is it left up in the air? Do the T&C say its the player's choice or the bookmaker's choice how withdrawals are done? I may be cynical but I can see why the bookmaker would say wire, since that means automatic notification to the IRS of large amounts, and the player may have second thoughts about withdrawing a large amount (leading to additional betting and probable loss). Nice psychological tactic.

This case seems to be a textbook example of how not to be prepared for success. There is a good article on the 'DDD tactic' used by sportsbooks and how to potentially deal with it on another site dealing with using arbitrage mostly. I dont want to plagiarize it, easy to find via google.

[Pragmatic]

Knowing beforehand if they'd allow withdrawals to BTC rather than a bank would also have been good to know.

That's the catch, isn't it? People sign-up with the option of Crypto deposit & withdrawal, but then Bookmaker (and other books) says "Nope, you can only withdraw with wire."

Now, maybe the book has legitimate reasons for specifying a wire. Maybe it discourages some of the "bad" actors.

But for a regular player, I can understand why the wire is a surprise.

[jamesrav]

this kind of money should mean you're an experienced bettor, and its been pretty standard that everyone requires a current utility bill to get verified. You should have seen that coming. If this is all legit, they are now going to use any technicality to delay things. Maybe the secrecy thing is completely normal, but in retrospect having a legit phone, utility bill would make things go much smoother. Knowing beforehand if they'd allow withdrawals to BTC rather than a bank would also have been good to know. I think once $10,000 lands in your account the bank will report it and the questions will begin. If all $230K goes in, good luck.

Anyone who can turn $45K into $230K (how long did it take?) should be offering a tipping service. I think a screenshot showing a deposit of $45K and a current balance of $230K would be a big draw. The board was recently discussing how many people make money sports betting , with Betfair its supposedly 1 in a 100. Making $185K probably puts you in the 1 in 1000 or 1 in 10000 group.

[Pragmatic]

And technically im not avoiding taxes until i convert the btc to USD and then dont pay. If it stay in btc it stay in btc

Technically, you are. If a wager settles for $3k in July 2024, that should be part of your return/report in 2025. Stashing the $3k in Crypto for 25 years doesn't defer your current-year tax liability.

If you're determined to avoid taxes, you should at least spend some time learning what you're actually avoiding.

Standard disclaimers: 1) most USA gamblers aren't reporting anyways (usually, because they're losers); 2) the IRS is overwhelmed, and who knows when they'll really catch-up with all the Crypto & gambling activity.

[StephonAllstar]

this dude just said i work for the mob and its suspicious that i have a job lol what

[StephonAllstar]

Fascinating to read, I get the feeling that some people here know what might be going on but nobody wants to chime in. I guess explaining what 'buying accounts' and this gnome thing are, are counter-productive to the legit purpose of the board. But there are some 'possible' red flags here: account opened with a disconnected phone #, using this 'text now' service, having $45,000 (or 'thereabouts', he wasnt sure what the deposit was) , stating he was "down" $100,000 (not possible with a $45K deposit, unless he meant prior to this deposit and 'run up', he'd previously been down $100K cumulatively over the years ), being confused about a Utility bill, going to work when you have $230,000 coming your way any day now, and blatantly saying avoiding taxes was a goal. Should be a movie. My life is so boring by comparison, and this guy is still a kid.

Bro I made a ton of deposits before I ran it up and lost them all thats where the down 100k comes from, and i said around 45k because i dont remember exactly it could be 47k but i know it was around that. I kno what a utility bill is. It is any bill for essential services for a household, a textnow number wouldnt be considered a utility bill and also theres no way of showing any bill associated with it. Me going to work is suspicious because I hit big while already working? That dont make no sense. And yeah avoiding taxes aint suspicious thats literally one of BM selling points when they compare to draft kins and fanduel they say come play with us we dont report. And technically im not avoiding taxes until i convert the btc to USD and then dont pay. If it stay in btc it stay in btc

[Pragmatic]

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[StephonAllstar]

Jusst called my bank Chime and they dont do wires so they dont have a swift code. Ima go to another bank and open a account

[Eddy Munny]

Blindly tailing this guy is the only way to go. If he's got BM brass doing gymnastics, he must be good!

[Pragmatic]

Stephon has gone awol so maybe he is fos

His last post was 30 hours ago. Hardly AWOL.

[DonnieBrasco23]

He never mentioned how he grew his account to $230,000 that would be entertaining to say the least to know from my POV.

[70'sMan]

Stephon has gone awol so maybe he is fos

IRS probably locked him up. lol

[2Sweeet]

Stephon has gone awol so maybe he is fos

[jamesrav]

I think this guy legitimately won, so Bookmaker should pay. But I would not be surprised if the account had been funded with organized crime money/crypto.

so organized crime just handed over $45,000 to the guy and said "do with it as you please". And the mention of being down $100K, was that also funded with organized crime money? I didn't know they were so nonchalant about money. If this is totally legit from the get go - just extremely 'unusual' - then this guy is my hero. Casually turning $45K into $230K sports betting at such a young age. If it's not legit but the bookmaker still has no recourse other than paying out since they cannot prove anything, then this guy (and his cohorts) are also my hero for outsmarting them. If it's neither of those and is somehow nefariously funded and he/they cannot get their money back, I hope it all works out ok for him.

[eddycash]

Damn I'm never using BM ever again, this is sad.

[Pinocchio]

I think this guy legitimately won, so Bookmaker should pay. But I would not be surprised if the account had been funded with organized crime money/crypto.

[jamesrav]

Fascinating to read, I get the feeling that some people here know what might be going on but nobody wants to chime in. I guess explaining what 'buying accounts' and this gnome thing are, are counter-productive to the legit purpose of the board. But there are some 'possible' red flags here: account opened with a disconnected phone #, using this 'text now' service, having $45,000 (or 'thereabouts', he wasnt sure what the deposit was) , stating he was "down" $100,000 (not possible with a $45K deposit, unless he meant prior to this deposit and 'run up', he'd previously been down $100K cumulatively over the years ), being confused about a Utility bill, going to work when you have $230,000 coming your way any day now, and blatantly saying avoiding taxes was a goal. Should be a movie. My life is so boring by comparison, and this guy is still a kid.

[2Sweeet]

How do you know?

We have seen several new posters over recent months making a concerted effort to buy lots of BM/JB accounts and signup gnomes. Way more intense about it than I have seen before.

And suddenly Bookmaker is nailing a bunch of people.


The truth is out there, but I am not sure that you know what it is this time.

Be careful about who you rattle cages for, for your own sake.

Noted but my contact would tell me right away if the guy was fos. I actually got an email asking me to verify my Identity on my last Payout in June but they had already sent my payout. They said it was a mistake so maybe they are doing this with everyone now.

[Eddy Munny]

On a side note, OP is one of these cats that misspells "losing" as "loosing."

That makes me wince. I wake up in cold sweats thinking about these kinds of things.

I mean that's reason enough for the books to withhold his loot an extra day as far as I'm concerned... not permanently, just an extra day or so. These Gen Z's gotta learn 2nd grade words somehow or other.

[Mr. NBA]

How do you know?

We have seen several new posters over recent months making a concerted effort to buy lots of BM/JB accounts and signup gnomes. Way more intense about it than I have seen before.

And suddenly Bookmaker is nailing a bunch of people.


The truth is out there, but I am not sure that you know what it is this time.

Be careful about who you rattle cages for, for your own sake.

On point with everything said

[Optional]

Not sure you follow what I am saying. I am not arguing against blasting BM publicly nor against insisting to be paid in BTC. What I am saying is that you should never admit publicly that you intend to break the law. Especially when the entity you are blasting is likely reading this statement and has enough of your personal information to make an anonymous complaint to one of the most viscous enforcement agencies in the country.

Yes that makes good sense. I was replying to the op, not about your post, though.