1. 11-15-12 08:21 PM #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBC77 View Post
    I remember that. Someone told me they took it in the rear the time they offered that Steelers stunt. If you were a forum member with a dime....you were all over that. Friends who didn't even gamble or play on line thanked me for that.
    What Steelers stunt? What did they do?
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  2. 11-15-12 09:40 PM #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordVodka View Post
    What Steelers stunt? What did they do?
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mansion+sportsbook+steelers+stunt
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  3. 11-15-12 10:42 PM #38
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    a sustained intelligent discussion...in Players Talk?

    don't know what parallel universe this thread is in...but i like it
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  4. 11-15-12 10:49 PM #39
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    I don't understand why betmaker doesn't get more liquidity
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  5. 11-16-12 05:09 AM #40
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    good bump and some great posts in here.
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  6. 11-16-12 05:50 AM #41
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    mansion had done promos like that before for english soccer. they probably gave away 10 different free $100 bets on english games before that nfl season, maybe more. the steelers promo was their way of getting big in the us. their owner was loaded so he didn't mind the publicity. mansion got ****** because the uigea happened right afterwards and they had to leave the us market.
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  7. 11-16-12 10:09 AM #42
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    Pinnacle's model in bookmaking market is like Walmart in retail market. There is only one Walmart, same reason there can only be one Pinnacle.
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  8. 11-16-12 11:55 AM #43
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    Excellent bump. Seems so easy to put a second Pinnacle together... but... apparently they were the best for US Players.
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  9. 11-16-12 12:11 PM #44
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    Pinnecale is fuked i hear the FBI is going to be shutting them down and Confiscating Bank accounts i would be very weary of putting money in there what they did is highly illegeal Money Laundering,Bookmaking etc its not something to turn your checks at.
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  10. 11-16-12 12:37 PM #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbill365 View Post
    Pinnecale is fuked i hear the FBI is going to be shutting them down and Confiscating Bank accounts i would be very weary of putting money in there what they did is highly illegeal Money Laundering,Bookmaking etc its not something to turn your checks at.
    and the thread jumps back into the sbr-universe we all know (and love??)...oh well, it was magic while it lasted
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  11. 11-16-12 04:12 PM #46
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    F Pinnacle..It's all about Sobieski.ha
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  12. 11-17-12 05:26 AM #47
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    Once again Americans think they're the centre of the Universe. Asian & Europeans betting soccer etc make US bettors a drop in the Ocean, especially if you include the casino side of things.
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  13. 11-17-12 07:35 AM #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby View Post
    Wow, this plus JC's post means that 2 of the most insightful posts I have EVER read both come in the same thread. to both you guys.
    ah the memories...
    Last edited by trytrytry; 11-17-12 at 07:38 AM.
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  14. 11-17-12 10:04 AM #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUBNUT View Post
    Once again Americans think they're the centre of the Universe. Asian & Europeans betting soccer etc make US bettors a drop in the Ocean, especially if you include the casino side of things.
    The opinion of one is not the opinion of all. Your post is no more insightful (or correct) than his.
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  15. 11-17-12 10:32 AM #50
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    pinny down right now?
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  16. 11-17-12 10:36 AM #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by swordsandtequila View Post
    The opinion of one is not the opinion of all. Your post is no more insightful (or correct) than his.
    except his is true
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  17. 11-17-12 12:25 PM #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by wantitall4moi View Post
    except his is true
    STFU, unless you know all 300+ million people who live in the US.
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  18. 11-17-12 12:38 PM #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by swordsandtequila View Post
    STFU, unless you know all 300+ million people who live in the US.
    WTF are you talking about?

    He is right that Pinnacle isnt even a top 3 book probably in terms of handle. So what does that have to do with knowing everyone in the US. And by the way there are over 350 million people here now so you might want to go buy an almanac from this century.
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  19. 11-17-12 12:49 PM #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbill365 View Post
    Pinnecale is fuked i hear the FBI is going to be shutting them down and Confiscating Bank accounts i would be very weary of putting money in there what they did is highly illegeal Money Laundering,Bookmaking etc its not something to turn your checks at.
    Quote Originally Posted by CHUBNUT View Post
    Once again Americans think they're the centre of the Universe. Asian & Europeans betting soccer etc make US bettors a drop in the Ocean, especially if you include the casino side of things.
    Quote Originally Posted by swordsandtequila View Post
    The opinion of one is not the opinion of all. Your post is no more insightful (or correct) than his.
    Quote Originally Posted by wantitall4moi View Post
    except his is true
    Quote Originally Posted by swordsandtequila View Post
    STFU, unless you know all 300+ million people who live in the US.
    Quote Originally Posted by wantitall4moi View Post
    WTF are you talking about?

    He is right that Pinnacle isnt even a top 3 book probably in terms of handle. So what does that have to do with knowing everyone in the US. And by the way there are over 350 million people here now so you might want to go buy an almanac from this century.
    My post that you quoted was in response to CHUBNUT, read it again. Apparently you misunderstood. 300+ means 300 plus, i.e. over 300.
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  20. 11-17-12 01:14 PM #55
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  21. 11-17-12 01:18 PM #56
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    Awesome bump.
    Well... the first page is worth reading anyway.
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  22. 11-18-12 10:30 PM #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC View Post
    Bookmaking is not Pinnacle's primary business. Pinnacle is a betting operation that masks itself as a bookmaking operation. Any money they make booking is gravy.

    The people behind Pinnacle could make money laying 110, so instead they opened up a book and now they get +105 on the same games they would be happy to lay 110 on. That drops their break even from about 54% to around 48%.

    They move the lines to attract the action they want. If they have no opinion they try to play it as neutral as possible and settle for the low hold any other bookmaker would earn from the same low juice line.
    Also, with their big money they can do this: (im using -110 juice for the example) take in 110,000 to win 100,000k
    on the favorite, and only take 55,000 to win 50,000 on the dog. If dog wins they profit 60,000, and if favorite wins
    the lose 45,000. In effect they are laying 45k to win 60k, with break even at roughly 43%. That is a license to print
    money .
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  23. 11-19-12 04:25 AM #58
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  24. 11-19-12 01:37 PM #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC View Post
    Bookmaking is not Pinnacle's primary business. Pinnacle is a betting operation that masks itself as a bookmaking operation. Any money they make booking is gravy.

    The people behind Pinnacle could make money laying 110, so instead they opened up a book and now they get +105 on the same games they would be happy to lay 110 on. That drops their break even from about 54% to around 48%.

    They move the lines to attract the action they want. If they have no opinion they try to play it as neutral as possible and settle for the low hold any other bookmaker would earn from the same low juice line.
    Agreed %100

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  25. 11-19-12 01:53 PM #60
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawyer View Post
    Agreed %100

    If that was true why have they not taken the -120 Stoke +0.5 goals available at 3 outlets who would take at least 2.5K each while they post +127 -0.5. ?
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  26. 11-19-12 02:10 PM #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by statictheory View Post
    Also, with their big money they can do this: (im using -110 juice for the example) take in 110,000 to win 100,000k
    on the favorite, and only take 55,000 to win 50,000 on the dog. If dog wins they profit 60,000, and if favorite wins
    the lose 45,000. In effect they are laying 45k to win 60k, with break even at roughly 43%. That is a license to print
    money .

    but they are not having -110 lines
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  27. 11-19-12 02:18 PM #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUBNUT View Post
    If that was true why have they not taken the -120 Stoke +0.5 goals available at 3 outlets who would take at least 2.5K each while they post +127 -0.5. ?
    2.5k? Are you kidding me?

    I doubt they will bother themselves for anything under 100k..maybe higher.

    In addition, there may be situations where they have no opinion/lean.
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  28. 11-19-12 06:45 PM #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robber View Post
    but they are not having -110 lines
    no kidding.........
    Last edited by statictheory; 11-19-12 at 06:51 PM.
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  29. 11-19-12 08:24 PM #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by statictheory View Post
    Also, with their big money they can do this: (im using -110 juice for the example) take in 110,000 to win 100,000k
    on the favorite, and only take 55,000 to win 50,000 on the dog. If dog wins they profit 60,000, and if favorite wins
    the lose 45,000. In effect they are laying 45k to win 60k, with break even at roughly 43%. That is a license to print
    money .
    why dont you do same thing like they did?
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  30. 11-19-12 09:27 PM #65
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    You guys shouldn't hold your breath waiting for Cohen to return to the thread for more insights.

    Though he was quick to slam books in public for their unethical practices, he pulled a disappearance act once WSEX started having problems paying players.

    JC, what's up with WSEX?
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  31. 11-20-12 01:11 PM #66
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    JC missed a big point that, other than a few games that Pinnacle might have a lean before opening lines, for the vast majority of games, they only become more knowledgeable by analyzing the pattern of bets coming in. Other books can not compete with Pinny on this because they don't attract that much of volume (except bookies focusing on soccer/non-US games).
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  32. 11-22-12 04:40 PM #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by pipita17 View Post
    why dont you do same thing like they did?
    because im not a bookie...
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  33. 11-22-12 05:52 PM #68
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    What I like most about pinny is the simple ease of use; you want a payout...no problem, 24hrs later you have it. Beautiful, and any book grade A+ on this site should conform to that rule first and foremost. SBR ratings are a plain and simple joke, there is only one A+ and it's because they payout and they don't screw you around.
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  34. 11-22-12 06:38 PM #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by statictheory View Post
    Also, with their big money they can do this: (im using -110 juice for the example) take in 110,000 to win 100,000k
    on the favorite, and only take 55,000 to win 50,000 on the dog. If dog wins they profit 60,000, and if favorite wins
    the lose 45,000. In effect they are laying 45k to win 60k, with break even at roughly 43%. That is a license to print
    money .
    their margins are a lot tighter than that
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  35. 11-22-12 08:57 PM #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncynd View Post
    What I like most about pinny is the simple ease of use; you want a payout...no problem, 24hrs later you have it. Beautiful, and any book grade A+ on this site should conform to that rule first and foremost. SBR ratings are a plain and simple joke, there is only one A+ and it's because they payout and they don't screw you around.
    This is what makes them #1. Their banking situation is obviously AAA+. Honest as an old lady.
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