[AimingHigh]

I somehow made it onto BetDOS' spam e-mail list and they keep sending me info about promos. I haven't signed up because of the warnings here. But I noticed this recent change in SBR info:

BetDOS (SBR rating D+) management reports parting ways with scam sportsbook owner

7/2/2009 11:04:55 PM
BetDos was identified as a sportsbook using turnkey service provider MXA SystemsBetDOS reported moving to BLR software and their own server and database. Max was the host, and in some cases owner, of scam books such as DunHill Casino (SBR rating F), Atlantisbets (SBR rating F), BetBones (SBR rating F) and PremiumBettor (SBR rating F). in March. Shortly after discussing their rating with Sportsbook Review and learning more about Max, the owner of MXA and the scams he has been involved in,


Yet, in one of their earlier spam e-mails dated April 30, they said the following:

Rumor: Bet DOS is owned by "a scam service operated by Max and is located on their servers".
Fact: Bet DOS is owned by partners from the Hotel Flamingo and is not located on "Max" servers nor has any partnership relation with him.


So were BetDOS lying, knowing their connection with "Max", and THEN severing ties with him? Or did they sever ties really soon (so technically they had no connection with him by the time of their e-mail) BUT SBR didn't know about this until recently?

If they were lying, the fact that they severed their connections gives me no reason to ever consider depositing there. Does anyone know?

I also wondered why anyone would use BetFirstClass if it is connected to the same dubious backer? And why would BetFirstClass have come in rated at D, whereas BetDOS came in rated at D-, apparently because of their connection with "Max"? (Though I note they're both at D+ now). Unless I misunderstood the BetBones - BetFirstClass connection, shouldn't BetFirstClass and BetDOS have both been D- initially? And shouldn't BetFirstClass be lower than BetDOS now, if they haven't parted ways with "Max" but BetDOS have?

[The Judge]

AimingHigh, BetFirstClass has no association at all with BetDOS and the only relationship that ever existed is that for a short time last year we provided their owners with a Pay Per Head service which was prior to BetDOS opening for business. We no longer have any affiliation with this shop whatsoever. However, I do wish that one of the owners would respond to my email messages to him as he is personally currently stiffing BFC on a medium sized figure.

Regarding comments that SBR has previously made about our business on the BetFirstClass rating page, frankly, some assumptions were made about the involvement of Max in our company, which simply are not true.

Michael, the owner of BetFirstClass, purchased our wagering software from Max and for a few months, Max also hosted our website on his servers. Unfortunately, Michael was unaware of Max’s former association with some unscrupulous operators or he never would have done business with him in the first place. Since discovering the truth about Max’s former clients, we have severed all ties with Max and certainly regret having ever done business with him.

The assumptions that SBR has made about BFC and Max’s business dealings are incorrect and have been exaggerated. While I can understand that SBR takes a very cautious and skeptical approach to new books coming on the scene, I have to believe that they could have done a better job in their investigation of BetFirstClass.

I have had several conversations with Bill Dozer about the Max issue in an attempt to clear this up. I also met with Ganchrow when I was in San Jose in May and have explained the situation to him. Additionally, we have invited Bill and his staff to visit our office on numerous occasions and to date they have not taken us up on this which is particularly strange considering that their own office is less that three kilometers from our own.

I hope that this provides you with a better insight into the situation and I appreciate you taking the time to inquire about this matter.

I would be remiss if I did not also thank Bill Dozer for allowing me the opportunity to respond to questions about BetFirstClass here on the SBR Forum. I believe that a quick search of my posts here will show that my intention is never to use this community to promote our shop but rather, only to respond as I have here and Bill has been very gracious in allowing me to do so.

[norman22]

3km and no visit........

[monkey george]

I'd like to know why the emails I keep getting from BetDOS "look and feel" so similar from the email I used to get from BetOT? What's the link?

[arnie_marta]

I'd like to know why the emails I keep getting from BetDOS "look and feel" so similar from the email I used to get from BetOT? What's the link?

I have the same question...


BetOT was what we saw, and after all of that, BetDOS appears from scratch..
Sending email to BetOT clients.


Something smells fishy...

[AimingHigh]

Judge, I just wanted to thank you for your full and thoughtful reply. I may try a small deposit to see how I get on. Perhaps it's worth trying to get the info on BetFirstClass' SBR rating page corrected to reflect your actual set up?

Arnie, BetOT had some affiliation with BetPhoenix, but nothing to do with BetDOS as far as I know. I never had an account at BetOT, so I know for sure I didn't make their list that way. I'm not sure how I ended up on their spam list...

[The Judge]

Judge, I just wanted to thank you for your full and thoughtful reply.

AH, you posed valid questions and deserved a straightforward answer. ...