[DimOK]

I would like to play big on wide variety of soccer markets, both on large like european championships and small like youth leagues. The requirements for site are high limits (at least 300 for low leagues, 1k+ for higher ones), asian handicaps and totals offered for the whole match time and no limiting for winning players.

I know, that asians are best on this field, so i already opened accounts with SBOBet and 188bet. I also took a look on IBCbet, but find they lines much inferior to SBO, so i skipped them. Betfair also don't have money on markets at all, so it's not an option.

The question is: could someone recommend other bookies, similar to SBO and 188? It may be other asians, or maybe european ones, with good reputation and fast payments.

Thank you for suggestions.

[benandjerry]

Pinnacle, but I guess you left it out for some reason, may not be as good as the asians on live but its worth having for sure. Other than those my guess is the only alternatives that may be able to compete is through agents or brokers. Some europeans may work short term until you get limited.

Bit off topic question to you since you play a lot live, there is always the grey area with "danger zone" before any bet is confirmed, do you find any difference in how each of these books handle that? I have had books void bets for goal scored shortly after when being on the "right side", but when being on the "wrong side" only 188bet out of these 3 did void it in my favor. I'm not sure I've had such a close case with Pinny, but with SBO, on a couple of occasions where I do believe they would have void it had I been on the right side, they've shortly after confirmed it as in running.

[DimOK]

No, pinnacle offers too few matches, there are like 500-600 matches worth offering per week, and pinnacle offers only about 100 or so, that's not enough.

'Danger-zone' rule is okay, they treat it fair, all bets accepted get void in case of goal, a lot of times SBO refund me my under bets made just before goal was scored.

[EasyPicks]

where u from Dim?

[vasilli07]

Dafabet???

[DimOK]

Dafabet???

Good point, from what i read they are pretty similar to ibcbet, i'll take them into consideration, thank you.

where u from Dim?

Russia

[benandjerry]

Good point, from what i read they are pretty similar to ibcbet, i'll take them into consideration, thank you.

They clone IBC's odds, and cripple some customers odds (0.015 off on odds lower than 2.00, and 0,02-0.03 on odds above 2.00, if I'm not mistaken), I believe depending on location. Not sure what goes for Russia. I think 12bet does the exact same, in fact I think they share the same owner.

[pellumb341]

188 acts fair .

They have also voided my under bets when a goal is scored . In some cases ,my over bet was accepted immediately and within 10 sec a goal was scored , maybe a fast counter attack .

I can say the best words about 188bet ,european books must learn from them

[caveira]

Well, you should not to cut Betfair, at least for big leagues you can make nice bets without the risk of being limited if you win too much.
For asian markets and over/under: 188bet, Sbobet, Dafabet and 12bet. Euro Books like Bet365 has a big variety of soccer markets in play, but they will limit you to pennies after some winning bets, anyway, maybe you can use them if you intend to bet in correct score or another high odds market...

[Justin7]

How's tennis treating you now, DimOk?

[byronbb]

Look at matchbook for in-running odds on soccer. I havent looked but they have 100k liquidity on AH for top-games pre-match and are offering 0% commission on in running matches atm.

[Keiki8]

Just wondering on your statement of IBC/Dafa having an inferior line as compared to SBO.

According to what i know, soccer lines for big 5 leagues easily offers the lowest juice in all sports (EPL,ISA,GBL,SPL,UCL). SBO/IBC has got the most competitive odds, 5 cents pricing @ 1.95/2.00. Mixing in shopping on pinnacle/188bet/betfair easily gives you 3 cents pricing on matchdays.

In-play odds in these books would then be shifted to 1.96 1.96 pricing.

For other random smaller leagues, SBO/IBC/188 all share relatively similar pricing strucuture at 8cents/10cents/16cents.

[filipinho]

Just wondering on your statement of IBC/Dafa having an inferior line as compared to SBO.

Yes, but Dafabet have some additional juice for Euro players, you can see it only if you are logged in.

[Keiki8]

Yes, but Dafabet have some additional juice for Euro players, you can see it only if you are logged in.

Oh didn't know about that. How about other similar platform sites such as 12bet?

[Vaughany]

pinnacle bar none

[filipinho]

Oh didn't know about that. How about other similar platform sites such as 12bet?

Through agents you can have account on some other asian bookmakers like singbet, eastern dynasty, as3388, samvo...But odds are pretty much the same as you have on SBO, IBC & 188bet so why risk with agents.

[benandjerry]

They clone IBC's odds, and cripple some customers odds (0.015 off on odds lower than 2.00, and 0,02-0.03 on odds above 2.00, if I'm not mistaken), I believe depending on location. Not sure what goes for Russia. I think 12bet does the exact same, in fact I think they share the same owner.

Oh didn't know about that. How about other similar platform sites such as 12bet?

Pretty sure 12bet is the same.

[filipinho]

Pretty sure 12bet is the same.

12bet dont do that.They have same odds as IBCbet.

[benandjerry]

12bet dont do that.They have same odds as IBCbet.

Can you back this up somehow? So that its not simply your account that hasnt been affected, based on whatever criteria they would use to select what accounts to limit? I dont have a 12bet account, and wont bother with one, since it was reported that they did in fact increase their juice for some customers the same way dafa did.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...n-players.html

[Keiki8]

Can you back this up somehow? So that its not simply your account that hasnt been affected, based on whatever criteria they would use to select what accounts to limit? I dont have a 12bet account, and wont bother with one, since it was reported that they did in fact increase their juice for some customers the same way dafa did.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...n-players.html

what is your currently asianhandicap odds for tonight's German league match between Augsburg and Hamburg?

As for the thread you linked, Dafabet/12bet/IBCBET and all similar sites increased their juice for the big 5 leagues from 5cent pricing to 6cents. Therefore it didn't just affect European players. However from my understanding, they reverted back to 5cents pricing a few months back, not so sure if they did so for the European counterparts as well though.

[filipinho]

I have accounts with all 3 mentioned books Dafabet/12bet/IBCBET. 12bet doesnt increase juice, at least for europe and they are great book for medium size bettor. D- that they have on SBR is probably the biggest rating mistake.

[Sawyer]

Pinnacle = One of the worst for live betting, lol.

[benandjerry]

what is your currently asianhandicap odds for tonight's German league match between Augsburg and Hamburg?

As for the thread you linked, Dafabet/12bet/IBCBET and all similar sites increased their juice for the big 5 leagues from 5cent pricing to 6cents. Therefore it didn't just affect European players. However from my understanding, they reverted back to 5cents pricing a few months back, not so sure if they did so for the European counterparts as well though.

dafabet

before login - same as any accurate odds comparison site's feed

augsburg -0.25 1.92
hamburg +0.25 2.03

after login

augsburg -0.25 1.905
hamburg +0.25 2.01


The thread I linked to is not about some temporary 1 cent increase of juice. They simply cripple the odds of some, location based I believe, customers. The feed odds comparison sites get, as well as the odds they advertise on their main site, is higher than the actual odds you can get down on, its gone as soon as you login, if you fall into the category of players the do increase the juice for.

I should add, there are a few markets they dont juice, like 1X2 (3 way ML), but those lines are already quite juiced in comparison to books like pinnacle that you'll rarely be able to find a better line with them anyway, so I guess they can afford to do that.
I'd guess, every asian handicap as well as over/under are extra juiced, doesnt matter if its football, baseball or tennis, as far as I've noticed so far, then I dont play much of those sports there since their offerings in those areas are quite poor to start with.

I have accounts with all 3 mentioned books Dafabet/12bet/IBCBET. 12bet doesnt increase juice, at least for europe and they are great book for medium size bettor. D- that they have on SBR is probably the biggest rating mistake.

Thats great, definitely a good out for you if thats the case. But I'm not sure its how they commonly handle it since several reported otherwise. Would be interesting if other people who has accounts with both, who are "juiced" at dafabet, would share their experience.

I believe part of the negative rating is due to some complaints regarding their bonus and how it was handled in some cases, but as long as you stay away from the bonus I'm sure they're fine, definitely better than D- compared to some other books ratings.

[horja1]

marathonbet ...

[AlanJenkins2]

I can confirm that 12bet offer the same odds as IBCbet - whereas Dafabet 'juice' as described.12bet limit me to £150 per bet.Other than that,the only problem I ever had with them is their rules on the initial bonus - once I had accepted the bonus,I had to fulfil the turnover requirement before withdrawing any money - I couldn't forfeit the bonus and withdraw earlier.
IBC's asian lines are pretty keen - as are SBO's.