[Stockdale]

How do you think he got the $14k dividend on Tatts? By dumping $2k of losing bets into the Tatts pool and making sure the favourite didn't run in the first four. The only way to ensure a massive dividend like that on Tatts is to ensure there is over and above the usual amount of losing first four bets.

How do you make sure the favourite doesn't run in the first four? Because if it did, they were screwed. Watch the race before you say "its not as if they were betting on a dog which was being hindered not to run to its ability".

You get a dividend of 14k by ensuring a crap first starter opens up long odds on so every mug stands him out in their first 4s. Putting 2k of losing bets into a first 4 pool is terrible pool manipulation! If you wanted to do something like that you would put it in a quinella or exacta pool wherethe combinations are more compressed. If he bet into the tatts first 4 pool he would have boxed up all his selections he was actually backing to ensure the dividend wasn't a jackpot (no div)

How do youmake sure a favourite doesnt run in the first 4? The question is how do you make a dog who cant run in the first 4 favourite.
btw im the one who posted a link to the actual race on here so dont make out like i havent seen it, the dog was not hindered in any way. It was just a poor dog. The vet examined the dog after the race and found nothing to be wrong with it and the stewards took a swab

[muffins]

Putting 2k of losing bets into a first 4 pool is terrible pool manipulation!...If he bet into the tatts first 4 pool he would have boxed up all his selections he was actually backing to ensure the dividend wasn't a jackpot (no div)

There is an extra $1.5k to $2k in that Tatts pool, terrible manipulation it may be in your opinion but that is what he did. That is why Tatts paid $14k and the other non-manipulated pools were $3k and $4k and why that first four pool is by far the biggest of the meeting.

It didn't start odds on, it was $2.50 win $1.60 place Tatts. Actually shorter in other states. Its not just a case of tricking mugs into loading up on first fours including a dog that was no good, they backed it heavily in the first four pool on Tatts. You don't get a $14k first four on a dog race just because the $2.50 favourite misses the first four, as vic and nsw shows you get a $4k divvy.

Swab results will be very interesting.

[Stockdale]

There is an extra $1.5k to $2k in that Tatts pool, terrible manipulation it may be in your opinion but that is what he did. That is why Tatts paid $14k and the other non-manipulated pools were $3k and $4k and why that first four pool is by far the biggest of the meeting.

It didn't start odds on, it was $2.50 win $1.60 place Tatts. Actually shorter in other states. Its not just a case of tricking mugs into loading up on first fours including a dog that was no good, they backed it heavily in the first four pool on Tatts. You don't get a $14k first four on a dog race just because the $2.50 favourite misses the first four, as vic and nsw shows you get a $4k divvy.

Swab results will be very interesting.

There is extra money in the pool because he would have boxed up 6 or 7 runners in the first 4 to ensure a dividend is declared! If no one gets the first 4 then its declared a jackpot and he is screwed. The dog opened up long odds on and drifted out to $2.50 at the jump. The first 4 paid the biggest of the meeting because there was only one $0.25 unit won on tatts bet for that combination. Usually it would just be a jackpot on Tatts because no one would get it.

They did not bet a grand or two into the First 4 pool on losing bets, i will guarantee you.
It actually is as simple as an odds on shot from box 1 not running in the top 4.

Swab results will find nothing, you dont need to slow down a good dog to do something like this. You just have to enter a slow dog to start with

[Stockdale]

Ill add its as simple as the odds on favourite not running in the first 4 AND the 2 rank outsiders finishing 1st & 2nd. Usually that dividend would be a jackpot on Tatts

[muffins]

There is extra money in the pool because he would have boxed up 6 or 7 runners in the first 4 to ensure a dividend is declared!...The first 4 paid the biggest of the meeting because there was only one $0.25 unit won on tatts bet for that combination.

The first four pool size was abnormally large. That means they bet an extra $1.5k to $2k on this race. As you note, there is one 0.25 unit winning. So isn't it clear that the additional money over and above the standard pool size on this race was all losing money?

You say they did not bet a grand or two into the first four pool on losing bets, yet there is an additional grand or two in the pool and as you say only one winning 1/4 unit. Those two are mutually exclusive, the additional money by definition has to be losing wagers.

[Stockdale]

The first four pool size was abnormally large. That means they bet an extra $1.5k to $2k on this race. As you note, there is one 0.25 unit winning. So isn't it clear that the additional money over and above the standard pool size on this race was all losing money?

You say they did not bet a grand or two into the first four pool on losing bets, yet there is an additional grand or two in the pool and as you say only one winning 1/4 unit. Those two are mutually exclusive, the additional money by definition has to be losing wagers.

Thats not pool manipulation though, and it wont increase your profits. Just like if i box up 5 horses in a trifecta once for $60 - Only one of the $1 combinations can win (leaving $59 of losing combinations)

[muffins]

Thats not pool manipulation though, and it wont increase your profits. Just like if i box up 5 horses in a trifecta once for $60 - Only one of the $1 combinations can win (leaving $59 of losing combinations)

Except for the fact that there is only 6 dogs in the race with a chance, as they knew their two dogs were hopeless/non-triers. You can't spend $2k boxing six dogs on a first four (cost $15 for 1 unit) and only hit it for a quarter unit. The only way they possibly can have missed the first four spending all that money is if they included their dogs.

Anyway, the integrity inquiry will reveal exactly what was wagered on Tatts so we will see.

[CanuckG]

He's never getting paid like I said.