[TryingMyBest]

Good:

Nice bonus
Dimelines (by request)
Decent options
Good CS

Bad:
If you are looking for longevity, this is not the place for you

-I was not playing moves
-I was not taking shots
-I wasn't beating closers with every bet
-I was betting between $50-100 per bet

Another thing I found pretty disturbing was the fact that I logged on once and found $900 had been taken out. When I called Griffin to ask about why that had happened, he said the money had been sent to a random town located in the area code of my number.

So not only did they have a mix up about me wanting a payout, instead of asking me where I live, I was told that accounting did a Google search of my area code and sent it there. Since I no longer live in that state, that was an issue.

Getting the money took around two weeks.

I mostly dealt with Griffin on this issue, but the few times I spoke with George he was very professional, apologetic, and helpful. He even responded to some of my emails on his day off. Griffin gave me a few responses like, "I told you I'm on it".

The most important part, I WAS PAID MY ENTIRE BALANCE IN FULL, minus fees. They threw in an extra $20 with the last payment for all the mix-ups. They also gave me the option of keeping my pending futures open.

If you are a losing player, and want your money to last as long as possible, they're a good out. If you have any thoughts of being a winning player, you can take your bonus and make a quick buck, but you won't be around long.

[Uga]

If you don't mind to tell, how much did you profit from them (bonuses included)?

[TryingMyBest]

$500 deposit + 750 FP. $2500 balance at close

[1Vice George]

Hello guys,

I do want to let everyone know that we do have several guys that are up on us and still play here. As I explained you on our chat it had nothing to do with you been up on us 2.5 k. Some players here are up on us way more than that and still play here while some have been shown the door while been on a negative balance with the book.

We have 2 people running are risk management team, and they get paid good money to protect us from sharp or wise guys. They told us that your action was going to end up getting the best of us in the long run so it was better to cut the cord now. While Griffin and myself did not agree with the decision based on your wager amount, thats what we pay them for so we have to trust their judgement.

I also want to make it abundantly clear that Griffin went through a bunch of loopholes to get you paid fast without any fees for the inconvenience. Its clear that all books would prefer to have losing players only, we are all here to make money but at the same time we understand that this is still gambling and with the bonuses that we give out there is a good chance that a good amount of players will beat us.

I appreciate your honest review

GL!

Good:

Nice bonus
Dimelines (by request)
Decent options
Good CS

Bad:
If you are looking for longevity, this is not the place for you

-I was not playing moves
-I was not taking shots
-I wasn't beating closers with every bet
-I was betting between $50-100 per bet

Another thing I found pretty disturbing was the fact that I logged on once and found $900 had been taken out. When I called Griffin to ask about why that had happened, he said the money had been sent to a random town located in the area code of my number.

So not only did they have a mix up about me wanting a payout, instead of asking me where I live, I was told that accounting did a Google search of my area code and sent it there. Since I no longer live in that state, that was an issue.

Getting the money took around two weeks.

I mostly dealt with Griffin on this issue, but the few times I spoke with George he was very professional, apologetic, and helpful. He even responded to some of my emails on his day off. Griffin gave me a few responses like, "I told you I'm on it".

The most important part, I WAS PAID MY ENTIRE BALANCE IN FULL, minus fees. They threw in an extra $20 with the last payment for all the mix-ups. They also gave me the option of keeping my pending futures open.

If you are a losing player, and want your money to last as long as possible, they're a good out. If you have any thoughts of being a winning player, you can take your bonus and make a quick buck, but you won't be around long.

[1Vice George]

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[TryingMyBest]

Right I understand the dollar amount wasn't the main factor. Thanks again for your help with the situation

[The Bishop]

What happens if you get booted before you meet rollover?

[Hankwins]

What happens if you get booted before you meet rollover?

the book becomes an F rating for being scam artist, won't happen.

[Easy-Rider 66]

1 Vice should have kept the player imo. That seems like a book that is small time and can not take the risk. But risk is the name of the game. Would never deposit there. But that is liberal bonus $750 for $500 deposited.

[brendon]

1 Vice should have kept the player imo. That seems like a book that is small time and can not take the risk. But risk is the name of the game. Would never deposit there. But that is liberal bonus $750 for $500 deposited.

i believe you're partly right. it seems to me it's more of the incompetancy of the risk management team. the dept seems to be too cautious. the book spent so much money on marketing (bonus), and now that the players already met rollover, you kicking them out because they won some money. this is the time to get the money back on their investment. they offer -110 on games and -115 on 1st half and 2nd half. i had 20 cent baseball, some got 10 cent. but, as you can see, it's pretty difficult to beat them.

i won a little over 4k. and my account was closed when i put in a request for 4k payout. so, it wasn't my style of play, if they even know what they are looking for, but it was the winnings that flagged them. btw, i'm no sharp. you probably make money fading me. i did get my payout.

[JerseyLove]

A book kicks a player out for Winning only 2.5 gs? Wow Stay away from 1 vice they obiv. have very thin pockets!! 2.5 gs and youre kicked out wow what a gumball middle school book.!!!

[raydog]

do you guys have more than 50 players? for fukksakes, the guy bets $50-100 a game and his plays stand out to your risk mgmt. team? seriously? if you see him beating closers and chasing steam, thats one thing, but if he isnt doing either, then he is luckboxing a profit...i guess i dont understand letting a guy go so soon if he isnt doing one of the 2 things i stated above

[macb]

paralysis by analysis

[michael777]

tryingmybest,thanks for this post,i will stay away from this chicken shit book

[JoeVig]

Read on here the other day a guy got booted from SIA after ONE wager. lolol something to do with risk management. I see both sides. I offered to bet only $250 a game totals, sides and Ml on major sports with Tony at 5Dimes some years back. He still wouldn't go for that. Prob meant only 1k per month avg win rate for me with him--but he wouldn't budge. I offered the same deal at Phoenix and the GM there overroad the lazy linesman and let me play additional year. Then I was kindly asked to leave. At the 250 level and above, prob only greek, Pinny and cris wont be bothered. At the 500 level you lose even Greek.

[vitalyo]

A book kicks a player out for Winning only 2.5 gs? Wow Stay away from 1 vice they obiv. have very thin pockets!! 2.5 gs and youre kicked out wow what a gumball middle school book.!!!

They didn't kick him out for winning 2,5gs . You need to go back and read this post again gummy bears wrote-> #4
Lets be fair here , some of the A-B rated books limit you to $1 before you even win $20 . Book is not the pinnacle by far ,so $50 to $100 is not that bad (unless you have to do the rollover ) many other US faced books do the same .
I had much worst experience with an A rated book . First my limits were cut to $1 (across the board/ on any sport) then later on were ZEROED .
An "A" rated book could no longer afford to take $1 risk . LOL


http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...ow-1-euro.html

+ 2 more highly rated books showed me the door .

That been said , few days ago another great book limited me to $200 on any sport (before i made a bet) and i had never placed a wager with the group .
According to the site . Limits are :

	NFL	NCAA Football	NBA	NCAA Hoops
Sides	5,000	3,000	5,000	3,000
Totals	2,000	1,000	1,000	1,000
Parlays	1,000	1,000	1,000	1,000
Teasers	1,000	1,000	1,000	1,000
Halftime Sides	3,000	3,000	3,000	3,000
Halftime Totals	1,000	1,000	1,000	1,000
Moneylines	1,000	1,000	1,000	1,000
Run Lines	----	----	----	----
Quarter Sides	1,000		1,000
Quarter Totals	500		500

	NHL	MLB	Soccer	Other Events
Sides	2,000	3,000	500	500
Totals	500	1,000	500	500
Parlays	1,000	1,000	1,000	1,000
Teasers	----	----	----	----
Halftime Sides	----	----	----	----
Halftime Totals	----	----	----	----
Moneylines	1,000	----	1,000	500
Run Lines	----	1,000	----	----

All Live Wagering Limits: $500 sides and $250 totals.
Please Note: Higher Limits are available, please contact one of our knowledgeable customer service representatives today for further details





So obviously limiting the player/s has nothing to do on how deep pockets are .
Pockets are deep enough to pay the same day.

GL.


PS .For me the most important part ! My money is safe with them . Book has 100% payout record . And as of now offer top bonuses .
They are pretty much straight with you on what they deal and what they don't .
(remember BI that tried to offer you every perk on the planet +100% bonuses and now call you everyday for the deposit can't even afford the overnights )

BI is OK !!! I had fun .

If you are patient enough and know how to shop the line why would you say no to 100%-150% bonus . You'll get paid

Cheers .

[1Vice George]

You get paid in full.

What happens if you get booted before you meet rollover?

[PD77]

Unreal. Does the "risk management" team know the difference between short run and long run? Whatever you are paying for this risk assessment is too much and now the "marketing" team is gonna be pissed because this single thread is going to cost you in the long run. I'm small potatoes at $200 a game and there is no way I deposit here.
Bad PR 1vice, you trusted a "risk management" team over your gut feeling. The correct move in this case would have been to increase the players limits and send him an email telling him he is "Diamond VIP" , comping a $100 freeplay and sit back and watch what happens.
Good luck building a customer base 1vice.

[1Vice George]

Yeah our pockets are so thin that we bailed out all the RX players from the synbet fiasco for over 25 k.Check out this thread from another place:http://forums.eog.com/showthread.php?t=330996

" I have had Three fast payouts all in 18 hours or less each time, they bailed me out for many thousands over the RX . com synbet fiasco (note I was a post up player already at that shop they did not even do it to get me as a new customer, honest they had little need to do it at all but still did). Ive had some good interactions with Griff...for sure they are a USA top 5 book for me right now...(Granted the list for USa post up especially if you want reduced juice is weak). I asked for no bonus stuff on my initial post up I wanted -105 style pricing which they did for me (Im not sure they always do that but I prefer that).." trytrytry

A book kicks a player out for Winning only 2.5 gs? Wow Stay away from 1 vice they obiv. have very thin pockets!! 2.5 gs and youre kicked out wow what a gumball middle school book.!!!

[1Vice George]

And the last thing I have to say about this is that if a player wins, we wont be looking for a loop hole to screw him out of his hard earned money. It will be sent fast and without any hassles. We are not the biggest book out there and we dont pretend to be, 1vice is not for everyone. I guess 150% fp, same day payouts with one 1 free per month and very good customer service is not what some people are looking for in the US market. And hey if you get booted at least you know you will always get paid!

[TryingMyBest]

You get paid in full.

Yup, I was only about 2/3 through my rollover

[TryingMyBest]

And the last thing I have to say about this is that if a player wins, we wont be looking for a loop hole to screw him out of his hard earned money. It will be sent fast and without any hassles. We are not the biggest book out there and we dont pretend to be, 1vice is not for everyone. I guess 150% fp, same day payouts with one 1 free per month and very good customer service is not what some people are looking for in the US market. And hey if you get booted at least you know you will always get paid!

Well let's clarify the one free payout per month. I found out through Griffin that you are charged fees, but they are put back in your account via a free play. I have NEVER heard of a free payout being clarified that way. I wasn't intending to make this a bash thread, but when you are associated with Apex people are going to jump on any "shady" tactics and that certainly is one. If you guys want to do it that way then fine but advertise it the way it actually is

[TryingMyBest]

do you guys have more than 50 players? for fukksakes, the guy bets $50-100 a game and his plays stand out to your risk mgmt. team? seriously? if you see him beating closers and chasing steam, thats one thing, but if he isnt doing either, then he is luckboxing a profit...i guess i dont understand letting a guy go so soon if he isnt doing one of the 2 things i stated above

On the contrary, during CBB I beat the closer at BI around 95% of my wagers and took them for 4-5K betting the same amount. Never heard a word from them. I'm not sure what risk management saw. My handle for props and straights were probably about the same. I know that's not looked highly upon. I wasn't necessarily beating their prop closers, but certainly beating the true lines at sharper shops

[BigDaddy]

Well let's clarify the one free payout per month. I found out through Griffin that you are charged fees, but they are put back in your account via a free play. I have NEVER heard of a free payout being clarified that way. I wasn't intending to make this a bash thread, but when you are associated with Apex people are going to jump on any "shady" tactics and that certainly is one. If you guys want to do it that way then fine but advertise it the way it actually is

my free payout fees have always went back into my account as cash

if it cost $50 they put the $50 back in as cash

[1Vice George]

Yes we offer the option of one free per month for cash fees or 1 free per week with fees returned as free play.

Well let's clarify the one free payout per month. I found out through Griffin that you are charged fees, but they are put back in your account via a free play. I have NEVER heard of a free payout being clarified that way. I wasn't intending to make this a bash thread, but when you are associated with Apex people are going to jump on any "shady" tactics and that certainly is one. If you guys want to do it that way then fine but advertise it the way it actually is

[TryingMyBest]

Miscommunication then. I didnt even know you had a difference between month and week. He told me they only did free play

[dark star]

Wow booted after winning only $2500 thats pretty sick-especially if your betting your own stuff....glad I saw this post.This is flat out stupid

[dolson]

Omegasportsbook, and 1vice have always paid me.

[5mike5]

Wow booted after winning only $2500 thats pretty sick-especially if your betting your own stuff....glad I saw this post.This is flat out stupid

definatley

[raydog]

On the contrary, during CBB I beat the closer at BI around 95% of my wagers and took them for 4-5K betting the same amount. Never heard a word from them. I'm not sure what risk management saw. My handle for props and straights were probably about the same. I know that's not looked highly upon. I wasn't necessarily beating their prop closers, but certainly beating the true lines at sharper shops

oh homey, i was just going by what you said in your original post about not beating closers all the time at V1 (nothing at all to do with BI)...i wasnt sayin that you couldnt...sorry you read it that way...wasnt what i was saying at all... ... my point was that they booted you without you doing anything that books frown upon you doing(besides winning, i guess)...i think all books should give variance a chance to run its course...

a lot of guys get limited very early due to reputation and/or past history with a site in the books family

[TryingMyBest]

oh homey, i was just going by what you said in your original post about not beating closers all the time at V1 (nothing at all to do with BI)...i wasnt sayin that you couldnt...sorry you read it that way...wasnt what i was saying at all... ... my point was that they booted you without you doing anything that books frown upon you doing(besides winning, i guess)...i think all books should give variance a chance to run its course...

a lot of guys get limited very early due to reputation and/or past history with a site in the books family

No, I didn't read it that way. I was just showing a difference between how BI and 1vice approached each situation

[gangeriver]

I can't access to "AG" since yesterday evening, I try to. "Com" and log-in but I can't see the lines...

George has replied my e mail quicly... tdsports.com works well