1. 05-13-12 12:16 AM #1
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    Cantor gaming: The bully gets a bloody nose (maybe)

    Ya gotta love it! I spotted an article (which I hope the mods with allow me to merely put the link below) stating where Cantor wants to prohibit Wm Hill from doing exactly what they are doing. It's hard to believe, but I am that old that I remember going into the old Churchill Downs and Rose Bowl dives and gazing on guys I considered 'gods' like Bob Martin and Rosenthal, though I know I was only about 19 or so. Anyway, I think you'll enjoy the article because the sports books of today as we know them—they are a changin'.

    http://www.casinocitytimes.com/artic...king-ceo-60067
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  2. 05-13-12 12:28 AM #2
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    Vegas and offshore are both getting worse by the day with all the takeovers, I make one bet it moves the line in half of Vegas because they are all related
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  3. 05-13-12 12:55 AM #3
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    rm the bigtimer
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  4. 05-13-12 01:17 AM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBankroll View Post
    rm the bigtimer
    It doesn't even have to be that big a bet though, I bet Baylor first half for 2k at MGM line moved at 6 different books at least probably more
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  5. 05-13-12 03:19 AM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by rm18 View Post
    It doesn't even have to be that big a bet though, I bet Baylor first half for 2k at MGM line moved at 6 different books at least probably more
    This seems very hard to believe.

    Also, just keep it on the dl, it's not that hard. Bet over the counter at all the outlier type of books. Stay away from The M, Red Rock, Mirage, Caesars, and just go to all of their non-hub type of books.
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  6. 05-13-12 06:46 AM #6
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    I would think there will be 4 owners of books in Vegas eventually meaning 4 groups all books linked too
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  7. 05-13-12 07:46 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Bello View Post
    Ya gotta love it! I spotted an article (which I hope the mods with allow me to merely put the link below) stating where Cantor wants to prohibit Wm Hill from doing exactly what they are doing. It's hard to believe, but I am that old that I remember going into the old Churchill Downs and Rose Bowl dives and gazing on guys I considered 'gods' like Bob Martin and Rosenthal, though I know I was only about 19 or so. Anyway, I think you'll enjoy the article because the sports books of today as we know them—they are a changin'.

    http://www.casinocitytimes.com/artic...king-ceo-60067
    That article is ancient.
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  8. 05-13-12 07:47 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by rm18 View Post
    It doesn't even have to be that big a bet though, I bet Baylor first half for 2k at MGM line moved at 6 different books at least probably more
    Uhh. NOBODY follows MGM's moves outside of MGM/Mirage properties.
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  9. 05-13-12 07:51 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkwell77 View Post
    This seems very hard to believe.

    Also, just keep it on the dl, it's not that hard. Bet over the counter at all the outlier type of books. Stay away from The M, Red Rock, Mirage, Caesars, and just go to all of their non-hub type of books.
    There are things called computers these days. Hubs aren't blind. Where do you think the actual authorization comes from? It's not from the guy that gets called over for a key.
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  10. 05-13-12 07:56 PM #10
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    From what I understand, Cantor and WH are polar opposites in their approaches to bookmaking.
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  11. 05-13-12 08:02 PM #11
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    Yup. I'd rather not have WH here either.
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  12. 05-13-12 08:07 PM #12
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    You would enjoy them until you were banned.
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  13. 05-13-12 08:27 PM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    There are things called computers these days. Hubs aren't blind. Where do you think the actual authorization comes from? It's not from the guy that gets called over for a key.
    Love getting keyed for a simple 1K bet on college sides. Red Rock(Stations) is a damn joke. They are consistently on the prowl for those that hit a half point advantage, not matter if they are max betting or not.
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  14. 05-13-12 08:33 PM #14
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    WH is a farce
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  15. 05-13-12 09:04 PM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    There are things called computers these days. Hubs aren't blind. Where do you think the actual authorization comes from? It's not from the guy that gets called over for a key.
    Obviously. But betting smaller limits and staying under whatever the key amount is at these outlier books ($500 at stations) is not hard to do if you want to get stale numbers. It may take more time, but books are not just letting guys bet stale numbers for $10,000 or whatever. I'm not sure why people even get mad about this. You have to be a moron to think you can just walk into a book and bet some stale number for a huge amount.

    If you want to bet large just walk up to the counter at Venetian and bet whatever you want.

    It really is not hard to get a large amount of money down in Vegas. I really don't understand how anyone can even imply this.
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  16. 05-13-12 09:09 PM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathdotcom View Post
    WH is a farce

    Please explain
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  17. 05-13-12 09:32 PM #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkwell77 View Post
    Obviously. But betting smaller limits and staying under whatever the key amount is at these outlier books ($500 at stations) is not hard to do if you want to get stale numbers. It may take more time, but books are not just letting guys bet stale numbers for $10,000 or whatever. I'm not sure why people even get mad about this. You have to be a moron to think you can just walk into a book and bet some stale number for a huge amount.

    If you want to bet large just walk up to the counter at Venetian and bet whatever you want.

    It really is not hard to get a large amount of money down in Vegas. I really don't understand how anyone can even imply this.
    Yeah. It's not hard to get down "a large amount of money" using that strategy if you want to run to every book in town twelve times a day.
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  18. 05-13-12 11:33 PM #18
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    Fishhead moves lines at Cantor
    One of bigger volume betters there

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  19. 05-14-12 08:02 AM #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Fishhead moves lines at Cantor
    One of bigger volume betters there

    Ask managers if you do not believe me
    Big Fish sure does....those middles & scalps
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  20. 05-14-12 09:52 PM #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachJB View Post
    Please explain
    typical small time pussy euro book

    europeans in general tend to be pussies so not really surprised
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  21. 05-14-12 11:21 PM #21
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    Stations has gotten significantly tighter in the last year. It's nowhere near what it once was.
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  22. 05-15-12 12:33 AM #22
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    been to las vegas alot and ther is no problem at all betting is much as you like ,and you can spread it out very fast ,that place is the king when it comes to sports betting,the best
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  23. 05-15-12 12:35 AM #23
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    las vegas is the best,there is no problem betting as much as you like ,vegas is the king when it comes to sports betting,the king 100000000000 times.
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  24. 05-15-12 12:39 AM #24
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    not really no
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