[Albania]

I have my own MB account , my brother has also his own MB account , we live at the same house and use the same computer. I have had no problems until now . Sometimes i transfer money from one account to other because some times accounts (at bookies) run out of money . Will i have any problem ??? I have e-mailed them and from what i have understood (english is not my language) ,there is no problem

Are you from Albania ???

In my opinion make a deposit in all your betting account by CC and after withdraw them by wire i think it will work

[unluckysob]

What sport did you beat bet us.com up on?

[lukahh]

provided that OP is telling the truth...(he may well be, as automatic security systems ring bells for same bdate, as hareeba noted)the problem is that you seemingly sent many unstructured emails to them where you just ranted about problem. now nobody is reading your mails and you are being treated as security risk by computer and semi-automated CS.Perhaps you could ask Justin7 to inquire at mb for you - he could write it in clear legal-speak for you.

[pellumb341]

Are you from Albania ???

Po .

ca do te thote wire ?

[wavey]

i beat them up on nba and ncaa totals and lines...i use the us bookies for us sports the australin ones for aussie sports.

[wavey]

this is now moving into the issue of do i even want to use them anymore..its discriminatory almost like a bad joke that this happened...all they had to do was call his mobile and mine and ask if he is my twin or something...they have not even asked for birth certificates i think im not sure it was ages ago since i sent in my id when i joined. if they even look into it anymore i can send in the obvious certified birth certificate id of mine and his and that might solve the problem.

[Hareeba!]

this is now moving into the issue of do i even want to use them anymore..its discriminatory almost like a bad joke that this happened...all they had to do was call his mobile and mine and ask if he is my twin or something...they have not even asked for birth certificates i think im not sure it was ages ago since i sent in my id when i joined. if they even look into it anymore i can send in the obvious certified birth certificate id of mine and his and that might solve the problem.

I sympathise with your plight mate. It seems you are just an innocent victim of a security system which is a bit over zealous. Unfortunately I think you'll just have to be a bit more patient whist it is resolved. I'm pretty sure it will all be rectified in time and you'll receive an apology and some form of compensation.

[Border Gadgie]

If your case is for real, you could ask someone to take a decent photograph of you & your twin both together clearly showing your passport/I.D. Explain that (however unlikely it seems) you are twins and live a the same address, that you did have separate Moneybookers accounts, and here is the photographic evidence. It may help if you can get some one from local law enforcement to authenticate/verify your I.D. details.

[lukahh]

If your case is for real, you could ask someone to take a decent photograph of you & your twin both together clearly showing your passport/I.D. Explain that (however unlikely it seems) you are twins and live a the same address, that you did have separate Moneybookers accounts, and here is the photographic evidence. It may help if you can get some one from local law enforcement to authenticate/verify your I.D. details.

This is a fantastic idea - wavey go do it, and then reward the guy for coming up with it!

[wavey]

i got this email today.


We are writing to inform you that your account at Moneybookers is now closed.

Unfortunately, we will not be able to offer you payment processing services.

Please note that upon registration of your account you agreed to our Terms and Conditions.

For more information please visit section 4 and 17.

17.4. We may at any time suspend or terminate your Skrill (Moneybookers) Account without notice in case:
17.4.1. you breach any condition of these Terms of Use or any other condition applicable to specific services covered by separate terms and conditions;
17.4.2. you violate or we have reason to believe that you are in violation of any law or regulation that is applicable to your use of our services;

Kind regards,

Skrill (Moneybookers) Security


i got my money off them today also.
They aint gonna change there mind. so if i ever have trouble with sbo or any other bookie getting my money out ill use the fos service. if i can get my money out of bookies with no problme well then i wont bother as i dont want to use them anyway after the way they treat customers. if i have to use w union to get my money out of betus i will contact fos as i wont take losing 3000 and being insulted as if ive done something wrong or fraudulent because im a twin lightly...i contacted betus last week to get my 20 000 out of there and they said if i dont use moneybookers i have to use w union if i dont use moneybookers and they can send me 2000 each time and itll cost me 300 bucks. so there stupidity at moneybookers is going to cost me 3000 bucks if they did this a few weeks later i would have got my 20 000 with no charge...can someone please contact betus and ask if theres any other way australian customers can get there money..i asked if i can get a bank transfer and was told i couldnt.

[Albania]

Po .

ca do te thote wire ?

Transferte bankare

[Hareeba!]

i got this email today.


We are writing to inform you that your account at Moneybookers is now closed.

Unfortunately, we will not be able to offer you payment processing services.

Please note that upon registration of your account you agreed to our Terms and Conditions.

For more information please visit section 4 and 17.

17.4. We may at any time suspend or terminate your Skrill (Moneybookers) Account without notice in case:
17.4.1. you breach any condition of these Terms of Use or any other condition applicable to specific services covered by separate terms and conditions;
17.4.2. you violate or we have reason to believe that you are in violation of any law or regulation that is applicable to your use of our services;

Kind regards,

Skrill (Moneybookers) Security


i got my money off them today also.
They aint gonna change there mind. so if i ever have trouble with sbo or any other bookie getting my money out ill use the fos service. if i can get my money out of bookies with no problme well then i wont bother as i dont want to use them anyway after the way they treat customers. if i have to use w union to get my money out of betus i will contact fos as i wont take losing 3000 and being insulted as if ive done something wrong or fraudulent because im a twin lightly...i contacted betus last week to get my 20 000 out of there and they said if i dont use moneybookers i have to use w union if i dont use moneybookers and they can send me 2000 each time and itll cost me 300 bucks. so there stupidity at moneybookers is going to cost me 3000 bucks if they did this a few weeks later i would have got my 20 000 with no charge...can someone please contact betus and ask if theres any other way australian customers can get there money..i asked if i can get a bank transfer and was told i couldnt.

That just looks like a standard letter. I wouldn't be giving up. Have you contacted the FSA about it?
Have you heard anything from SBR about your BetUS issue? Give them time to help you out.
Will BetUS not accept Neteller as a valid payment option?

[wavey]

hareeba thats the 3rd time ive gotten that letter.thats the whole reason im not ok with them.they dont want to say the reason perhaps because i can use it against them if i do make a complaint..ie imagine me going on some day time tv show and they actually said straight out that they think i have 2 accounts and are closing it cause they think we have the same bday and house adress...it wouldnt look good for them not trusting twins of the world. by not saying the reason they cant be made to look like fools as they can just keep there mouths shut and not give me a chance to do much about it.
i didnt contact fsa yet as it says it can take a month or a year to solve the problem if i can get my money out of betus without using w union then i might not bother..ill use another method like neteller or something at sbo etc.

[wavey]

betus said theyd only do it through w union..they said most of the people there are us customers. still awaiting sbr to see if i can get it any other way like neteller or a bank transfer.

[wavey]

the problem may be one that he lives at the same house and has the same bday as me that im trying to do something like have 2 accounts. Thats right thanks to having a twin brother

LOL





I am part of a sixtuplets. My 5 brothers live in the same house coincidentally.... we all have separate accounts at each sportsbook and MB.

Got screwed like you did. Fukk them

baskets u said u they did the same thing to u..yet u said we all have seperate accounts and not had..you mean they let u still use moneybookers after trying to close your accounts?

[Hareeba!]

hareeba thats the 3rd time ive gotten that letter.thats the whole reason im not ok with them.they dont want to say the reason perhaps because i can use it against them if i do make a complaint..ie imagine me going on some day time tv show and they actually said straight out that they think i have 2 accounts and are closing it cause they think we have the same bday and house adress...it wouldnt look good for them not trusting twins of the world. by not saying the reason they cant be made to look like fools as they can just keep there mouths shut and not give me a chance to do much about it.
i didnt contact fsa yet as it says it can take a month or a year to solve the problem if i can get my money out of betus without using w union then i might not bother..ill use another method like neteller or something at sbo etc.

I'm still reckoning that this is a mistake due to the unusual circumstances with your twin and I doubt that they've even considered the issue yet. Their system flagged it and it has simply gone through the usual routine designed to nab ID fraudsters. As I said before, that has most likely prompted an automatic STR which means they aren't allowed to talk to you about it. Eventually I'm predicting that they will wake up to the error and attempt to rectify it. But if you don't follow up the case may just gather dust instead. Moneybookers is such a useful and efficient service generally that I'd be fighting to keep it rather than just rolling over and accepting your fate.

[Santo]

I think if it had caused a report to be filed they wouldn't have been able to give him his money back (based on past precedents). I think this will now just fall into "refusal to do business", which is their right.

[wavey]

thats why i use moneybookers i use them several times a week for sportsbetting transactions..i used neteller before i joined moneybookers..i withdrew my money from netteler 5 years ago and havent touched that account since i joined moneybookers ..i logged in a while ago and have to call them about my account being reopened if it can be.

[wavey]

yes its there right to refuse to do business ...from there point of view they think im trying to open multiple acounts..from what ive read around
*i think some people have opened multiple moneybookers acounts and have no problem
*they should assume someone is innocent till proven guilty not assume
*my bros account was used a few times a couple of years ago and doesnt do sportsbetting so the openening multiple accounts to get a bonus from a sportsbook or something doesnt apply
* ive never bought or sold anything online..my bros never sold anything online hes just bought a few things so they cant say anything about the merchant thing.

if someone was going to do fraudster stuff online why would they use the same bday and same address to do that.it would make more sense to use diffferent names and addresses.theres just me and him that have the same bday and address...if they check my transaction history theyd see i withdraw and transfer thousands of dollars several times a week theres pages and pages of sportsbetting transactions in my history. his one was used a couple of times..i make on average 10 000 a week in sportsbetting why would i risk thousands of dollars for a 50 dollar bonus bet like that fraudster who used multiple ids to get free bonus bets...the security at moneybookers are as dumb as a rock. i have hundreds of thousands in bookies

[wavey]

havent heard anything from sbr about it..can someone from sbr contact betus and see if theres any other way but moneybookers and w union to get my money as itll cost me 3000 bucks to do my withdrawal using w union...my neteller accounts open and ready to use for transactions or bank transfer.

[SBR Lou]

havent heard anything from sbr about it..

That's because you haven't submitted a complaint. In addition, it's way too premature to. Just call the sportsbook and ask. You've done nothing wrong, according to what you've shared here, so I don't think there's a reason for our involvement at this juncture?

[Call82]

I successfully switched from MB to neteller in about 40 books.You just need to deposit first small amount with neteller, and when you request withdrawal, explain to CS that you dont longer have MB account.

This is definately your best option, I have a friend who had the same problem and he did just that without any problems :-)

Good luck anyway!

[srkac123]

this looks to me like you are big fish with big stakes so mb dont want big float in their system wich they need to payout like betus dont want you because you play big and win,dont forget that if you have money in bookies you have money in mb,i have mb account and my sister have 2 years no problem,same ip and house.

[noyb]

this looks to me like you are big fish with big stakes so mb dont want big float in their system

sorry but this is complete bs. moneybookers loves big floats.

[Albania]

this looks to me like you are big fish with big stakes so mb dont want big float in their system wich they need to payout like betus dont want you because you play big and win,dont forget that if you have money in bookies you have money in mb,i have mb account and my sister have 2 years no problem,same ip and house.

Depends on the country where you live my friend.

[Hareeba!]

sorry but this is complete bs. moneybookers loves big floats.

Totally agree. That just makes no sense at all.

I still maintain that this is just a system generated error and that nobody at Moneybookers has really looked into it properly.

I suspect that they get so many complaints from attempted fraudsters that they get tired of looking into them and wasting time.

[wavey]

hi i used moneybookers to deposit money into my sportsbook accounts..but the moneybookers account is now closed...i called betus and they said i have to use moneybookers or **..i have 20 000 at betus and they said if use ** theyll send 2000 a week at 3000 cost( so itll cost 3000 to get my 20000 out using moneybookers) can u check if i can use neteller or a bank transfer as they may just be saying that so i leave my account as i dont like having to pay 3000 to get the 20000 and since i didnt take it out fast they might try and take the money...


also pinnacle sent me this when i tried to use neteller to get my money.
out
ear Pinnacle Sports Client,

Your withdrawal request was declined since your deposits were made using Moneybookers.

Withdrawals from your account must be processed via Moneybookers, up to the amount of the deposits. Once all Moneybookers deposits have been returned to Moneybookers, other methods of withdrawal may be used. To review your Moneybookers deposits, please go to the My Account option Review Account of the site menu and select "All Transactions".

In order to request a Moneybookers withdrawal, please return to your Pinnacle sports account and go to the Cashier section, select Moneybookers Withdrawal, complete the form and click “Submit”.

Your withdrawal is sent automatically for processing and, if sufficient funds are available, the withdrawal will be processed within minutes. Please do not send an email regarding your withdrawal as this will only delay the process. You will receive an email when your withdrawal is processed.

is there any way around this as i deposited using moneybookers and thats closed now. can u help as i dont want my money stuck in all the bookies.


i sent that to sbr and am going to call the financial obudsman service tomorrow about this mess that moneybookers have gotten me in all because im a twin. Moneybookers may cost me thousands of dollars..i have several us and or overseas bookies accounts with 10000+ in each like pinnacle betdaq so may get compensation and the account reopened.

[wavey]

sbr lou pinnacle dont even talk to people and sent me a message saying i have to use moneybookers...betus say **.can someone who has more knowledge of sportsbook withdrawals and knows there way around things help. i already called betus they say one thing to one person and another to others sometimes.

[wavey]

im from australia betus told me most betus customers are from the us so only have 2 options to withdraw..can i do a account to account transfer or something to another sportsbook then us neteller?

[wavey]

ive called moneybookers 5 times..ive sent them 3 emails...so to the people who are saying be patient **** moneybookers..because of the slim chance of a person doing sportsbetting and having a twin who also used moneybookers( a few times for non betting purposes) ive got 200 000 sitting in accounts that i cant take out..hopefully this is all sorted out and the fuckers at moneybookers give me some compensation for this hassle.

[filipinho]

wavey, you need to inform Pinnacle CS that you dont longer have MB account, they will ask you proof of that and you need to send them some screenshots.Same with Sbobet, I think. No problems there.

About betus, if they usually accept neteller as payment method, I dont see reason why they cant process it that way.And at least they MUST be able to do bank transfer.

Also, keep in mind that you dont need to withdraw all money from books, just tell them all, including betus, that you are now forced to switch e-wallet, but that you want to keep playing at them as usual.

[wavey]

cool filiphino just getting cheesed off so venting after getting that message from pinnacle ..not withdrawing from all bookies as i always use them i was just seeing what it says if i try to take money out at pinny using neteller..just withdrawing all the money from 5dimes and betus as im no longer wanted at those bookies..5dimes is fine theyll let me use neteller..betus not sure though..i have plenty of screen shots of my moneybookers account so will do what u said at the bookies that say i have to use moneybookers and use neteller instead.

[fazenda]

Good morning, is the user of Albania, China or Pakistan, it is certain that the gambling world is increasingly alienated and being a business that a lot of money in the end what matters is profit and therefore anything goes, moneybookers low pants ace bookmakers and provides data that should not be controlled for players, the rules for super tight it gives players and many other things, but the truth is that every time the player is worse off ...

All electronic wallets provide data of ace players bookmakers and we increasingly weak, sad but true ...

Sorry my English because it is a translater.

[necro]

''check the history money usually gos into sportssbooks and out..t'''

usually is not same as always

[necro]

and i am quite sure they closed his account for good reason, they never close account just for their own fun. And you should try to write like a normal person, not a facebook teenager.