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I think RickySteve is arguing that SBR uses their rating system to extort books.Originally Posted by chance
After seeing first hand how SBR treats affiliate books compared to non-affiliates I would take RickySteve's word on the quality of a sportsbook any day of the week over SBR.
You should go and do a Betphoenix deposit then. The problem is I don't think RickySteve honestly thinks Betphoenix is a safe book.
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You have posted personal information about me though I have zero clue who you are. Please identify your true agenda and we may continue this discussion.
I was one of BP's biggest critics 1 year ago when SBR was pushing them hard and reports were steadily rolling in about slow payments which I was one of those who was slow paid by them.
BP has fallen under new management and I have been hearing positive things about them from many players whom I respect aside from RickySteve. I have spoken with the new management and he was very helpful with me in resolving some issues with my old account that were preventing me from depositing. I would most definitely give BP another try considering that they have good word coming from RickySteve, but I am in no rush since I am sure that my wagering limits are still heavily reduced.
I am also one of the many who have submitted slow pay complaints against Betonline which much like when BP was an affiliate have fallen on deaf ears. I also have received many timely payouts from Sportsbetting.ag who SBR continue to talk bad about every chance they get despite the fact that they have no legitimate complaints against them.
RickySteve > SBR
Dip shit I don't have an agenda. You have an agenda and SBR have an agenda. I don't like either of you misleading the average Joe punter.
I thanked SBR John for posting information that the punters could use to decide whether to deposit with Betphoenix. Most of the time you post information which helps other punters. Unfortunately when you post about Betphoenix your personal agenda outweighs any level of honesty or care for other punters.
The opinion of serious players definitely weighs heavier than that of SBR. There is no question about that at all. The watchdog sold out. John's quick (and out of place) reference to 50,000 daily hits shows what really matters. I don't blame them for going after the money, but at least admit it.
Well you're just a meany poopy fart head, take that!
You're not some benevolent anonymous seeker of truth. You divulged personal information about me and are obviously quite invested in this, so, once again, identify yourself or GTFO.
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Kenny (RIP) ,would be proud
you have covered 2 of his forum rules
1)No such thing as bad publicity
2)Drama sells........made up drama sells even better
Apparently the rule delivered by RS is that you have to "reveal" yourself before posting in this thread. You are therefore banned
Yes Ken loved these types of pissing matches. Quite often though he took them personally. Every small thing bugged him.
Ah yes, now I remember you. Play at BetPhoenix, don't play at BetPhoenix, I don't give a damn either way. Anyone trusting their money to what someone says on the internet is a f cking fool. I learned that lesson the hard way believing in this site.
The fact is that Phoenix was well above 7 figures in-the-sh t to me and a lot of other people less than 2 years ago. I was pretty pissed about the way I was treated. You can go back to read the sh t I talked about them. But they took it on the chin, cleaned house and started paying...and paying...and paying... Now the debt is nearly gone. Show me any active complaints. If they existed, rest assured you would hear all about them here!
I won quite a lot from WSEX and Jazz over approximately the same period. John Walker's great-great-granddaughter has more money in her piggy bank than those low-life stiffs have paid me in 2 years. Do you see me "shilling" for them to improve my chances to collect? No, because they're f cking thieves and I don't want others to get cheated.
In brief, I won a decent amount of money at BetPhoenix and they paid me. Funny, I thought the purpose of this site was share such things but somewhere along the way that changed.
Kenny would have aborted this thread with a rusty coat hanger. He was dull-minded, petty and insecure. If for no other reason, you have to give this forum a lot of respect for their devotion to free speech in the face of scathing criticism and abject idiocy.
No worries RickySteve. It was just my opinion that someone like you who has been stiffed I think should make an effort to post accurate information about which sites are safe. I still think you were over promoting Betpheonix.
You make a lot of sense (usually) Ricky, and you again did in your last posts...
but sorry, you did not when you said "solid book, you will get paid" and "can be said about any book on the top of this page".
So you brought this on yourself...a solid book for me is not one who had such huge debts a few years ago. This time you and others got lucky.
And when i look up, i also see BM, Legends, Heritage and Justbet. While iam no fan of any of those 4, i don't think they ever missed a payment.
RickySteve, I'm guessing you are declining the wager that you yourself offered. Smart move. Plus, DSI is not run by BP, SBR was not underwater with BP, there are no liens or loans on any anything SBR owns and I stop making alimony payments before you popped your first zit. So far your batting avg is .000. Any other guesses you want to throw on the wall as a distraction?
Folks, the facts are RickySteve is on a slow pay payment plan from BetPhoenix and hopes to get paid before they tank. No one is sure if they will but Ricky is nervous with plenty good reason. He comes into BP threads and encourages you guys to deposit there because a chunk of that will go into his pocket. Period, end of report.
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John you are not making any sense, after saying all this in your last post your rating for them is C.
No one is sure if they will pay him, but they are a fking C? Should i laugh?
I will bet you $75,000 that BetPhoenix and DSI are owned by the same individual. Please parlay my winnings from that into SBR terminating its relationship with BetPhoenix due to an affiliate dispute. You can then attempt to recoup your losses in a deep stack heads-up freeze-out in any form of poker of your choosing. I find your previously suggested escrow agents lack either impartiality or integrity, so that matter will require further discussion. Please post your acceptance of this wager in the thread or jump off the nearest balcony.
LOLOL so now you want to change the bet YOU offered to who owns a piece of DSI? How about your original offer to bet what BP is slow paying you on what you offered which is "BetPhoenix runs DSI"?
You are a funny weasel Ricky. Should be good for at least another laugh. Are you actually saying Henry from Pinnacle, Ron S and The Greek do not have enough integrity or impartiality to hold our bet on a simple question of who runs DSI???
Ricky your making a mess here, stick with shilling BP.
I will hold the $75K from you both. I will take Neteller, Moneybookers or wire.
If you don't like that you can both jump in a cold shower and come back mud slinging at each other in the thread.
You should be careful back-peddling so quickly at your advanced age.
On the slim chance you can come up with the money, after our poker match I will give you a free lesson in reading and writing the language of English.
You are the one changing the wager. Try reading the thread. I bet even CrazyLou understood.
If they're so close to tanking, even if 'nobody is sure about that', why are they still rated C? It's quite a leap from a C book to 'tanking', so either you know something that we don't, or you are consciously discouraging players from playing at this C book by phrasing it the way you did.
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this thread is getting interesting
-stash
Wow, there is some nice hate from SBR people towards BP, something really bad happened that got them into that mood. Sounds like an interesting story, I'll take Rickys version of it for the moment.
You too Durito? What is it with you guys? Is there a dumb stick that whacks you guys as soon as you open this thread?
We are wagering $75,000 that his statement is false. DSI is NOT run by BP(the same guy who runs BP). Let me type it slooooower. Ricky claims DSI is run by the same guy who owns BP. Holy phuk guys. Now we got Ricky steve saying he doesnt trust Henry from pinny, Ron Cigar or The Greek to hold our bet. Next thing is Durito is going to agree with that too?
Bottomline guys, besides having some fun with Ricky and his sidekick, let this thread be an example of how guys getting slow paid will tell you a book is good when they know they have one foot in the grave. RickySteve is on a LONG payment slow pay plan yet he chimes in threads asking about BetPhoenix with a 'you will get paid' they are solid. He then will send this thread to BP's owner to justify another payment.
Moral to the story is be careful when posters recommend poorly rated books, they may, as in this case, be on the payroll or slow pay payment plan.
The point is that the people that ran up balances there did so when they were rated B and an advertiser here. They were not paying for the last 3-4 months of that time and you said nothing.
You rated them highly because of supposed financial backing because anyone that took one look at their offerings knew they were gonna get killed.
Then you pull them down, they start paying, and now they are risky? Where was the warning beforehand? All reports on the forum recently are of fast payouts. The lines are not nearly as soft now. Looks a lot less risky to me now.
This is complete nonsense. I have read many threads from Ricky over the last year where he is or was being slow payed by WSEX and Jazz and never once has he recommended anybody play at those books, in fact he has discouraged it.
Why is it that complaints against a book like Betonline go unmentioned around here while a book like sportsbetting mis-grades a wager and SBR employees start a thread about it before even contacting the book to attempt to resolve the issue?
Why is it that EZstreet mugs a player in the casino and gets an SBR burial for it and a 2 weeks later 5dimes mugs 2 players in the casino and SBR says it was justified?
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Players were reporting negative changes at BP long before you did. And now players are suggesting the tide may have turned again. Meanwhile, you're on record suggesting they're close to tanking (by saying that RS is afraid for good reason, and hopes to get paid before they do). We'll see who's right. From where I'm standing you're contradicting your very operation by trying to scare players away from a C book. And of course that could cost the book players, as you are well aware. Not quite the objectivity one might expect? The irony being that you're warning posters that a single player may try to reel posters in, and you respond by trying to scare them away. Who has the bigger stick? As you said, you're the one with the 50,000 daily hits.
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I think the timing was good. They had a good amount of business and could of managed it properly. Folks suggesting they are improving are either on payment plans or misinformed. No one knows for sure if they will make it.
Back to the BP downgrade, we had publicly and privately indicated the downgrade was coming if things did not improve. It's not an easy thing to manage. After the downgrade they stiffed not SBR, Covers and TheRx too. Stiffing top marketers is never a good sign no matter what business your in.
As to your comment as to where you are standing you see objectivity on my part to be lacking; your not alone. We run the business as professionally as we humanly can. It may not be good enough for some but we do try our best to be fair.
Sounds familiar, iam also careful with what SBR recommends cos they may be on the payroll.
That explains. They owe you money. Your attitude towards them seemed to indicate that. Unfortunate, but should that become the problem of players who have funds at the book? If anything they may have put players before marketers. If the book bounces back who knows what could happen. One thing is sure. Nobody benefits from them tanking. Not the book, not the players, not the marketers. So if they're not close to tanking, why spread such rumors? This thread does bring up an interesting question. Who comes first: the players or the marketers?
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aka Dont mess with us, we CAN mess with you though, as we just did.they stiffed not SBR, Covers and TheRx too. Stiffing top marketers is never a good sign no matter what business your in
I am not amazed if lots of books simply prefer not to advertise here even risking having a subjective rating on this site. If the next morning John or Lou wakes up on his left foot, done, things can go shitty.
Received check within promised 1 week time frame. The check is the type that won't bounce.
I agree with DH, I thought the same thing when I read the post by SBR_John. Obviously, not paying marketers is a sign of something is wrong, but BP decided to put the players first. Although, I understand down grading them for that at the time, as it showed something was wrong, but how long do they stay down if they pay the players regularly. At some point SBR has to forgive the debt to marketers and start upgrading them for their efforts with the players. imo...
You downgraded them when they refused to be shaken down. Timing was perfect.
If only they had elite management from an A-Rated SBR-Recommended book such as Cascade to help them run things properly.
John, what was your first language growing up?
I will ask for a 23rd time to direct the fine readers to the flood of payout complaints. At this point it will be less embarrassing for you to simply fabricate some. Remember when you gave a sh t about helping the industry rather than being a pizza delivery service? Pretend it's like that again.
With that grasp of uncertainty, it's shocking that you're a lifetime loser gambling.
Funny, my complaints went ignored for 6 months until your affiliate scam blew up and then you desperately came to me needing ammunition for retribution.
Aw shucks, you're just being modest. It's actually pretty easy for you. Lead the lemmings off the cliff until the checks stop arriving. Rinse and repeat.
Hilariously telling that you put yourself in that group.
Not knowing the difference between "your" and "you're" also never a good sign.
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