[Hareeba!]

lol you guys are clowns..you talk about taking shots but the guy said he is a regular player, not a first timer...so many people on here are so worried about a billion dollar book...lol what a joke..defending a sportsbook...LOL..wait till the day some bullshit happens to one of you...some clerk puts a bet in wrong and you confirm it cause you didnt realize..they send you a payout and you deposit it and the check bounces a week later and several other checks in your acct bounce cause of it...they stall you on a payout...you lose 10 grand and then when you wanna withdraw they got you running around like a lil cornball photocopying your ************ front and back and your id, just to get your own money...etc.. fuk all books....anyone that defends any book needs a serious reality check..they are in the business of destroying lives and you morons are defending em...comical!!

If you really believe they are all crooks and won't treat you fairly then I trust you don't use bookies at all?

Otherwise you are surely just a loser who can't help himself?

[PickWinnerAllDay]

If you really believe they are all crooks and won't treat you fairly then I trust you don't use bookies at all?

Otherwise you are surely just a loser who can't help himself?

No, maybe he is just addicted to it and doesn't live in Vegas. Isn't that why we all bet online?

Its kind of like a drug dealer that deals crappy weed, but hes the only dealer in your town. You're out of luck.

[mh217]

you are a douchebag hareeba..im just trying to explain to you the million of diff things that happen when its the books fault and you the player get screwed...i remember once when i called for a m o ney gram name and i when i called it in the other guy was like hey we are sorrythe guy gave you a west union name by mistake..and i was like ok..and then ** told me yea its gonna take 3-5 days to get your money back to your cc....and im not saying they are all crooks but yea they screw up all the time..most of the clerks that work for these places have the same iq as you hareeba and of course they fuk up..i mean look at the joke you are..and believe me im a 100% smarter and sharper than your petty ass and i go on losing streaks..its a rough game..if i struggle imagine a douchebag like you!!..i have no sympathy for any scumbag book..its me against them..its a war..they are not my friends..fuk em..and fuk you!

[Hareeba!]

you are a douchebag hareeba..im just trying to explain to you the million of diff things that happen when its the books fault and you the player get screwed...i remember once when i called for a m o ney gram name and i when i called it in the other guy was like hey we are sorrythe guy gave you a west union name by mistake..and i was like ok..and then ** told me yea its gonna take 3-5 days to get your money back to your cc....and im not saying they are all crooks but yea they screw up all the time..most of the clerks that work for these places have the same iq as you hareeba and of course they fuk up..i mean look at the joke you are..and believe me im a 100% smarter and sharper than your petty ass and i go on losing streaks..its a rough game..if i struggle imagine a douchebag like you!!..i have no sympathy for any scumbag book..its me against them..its a war..they are not my friends..fuk em..and fuk you!

yup, typical loser ... start out and finish with abusive insults

can you simply answer the question?

why, if you don't trust them do you play with them?

then have a good think about what you are saying and doing

[Hareeba!]

No, maybe he is just addicted to it and doesn't live in Vegas. Isn't that why we all bet online?

Its kind of like a drug dealer that deals crappy weed, but hes the only dealer in your town. You're out of luck.

Not I. I don't live in Vegas. I carefully pick who I play with. If I don't trust them I don't play with them. Quite simple really.

[mh217]

what are you talking about clown??..when did i say dont trust the books i play with?..i play with bookmaker and heritage currently and i get paid when i win..thats all i care about..this thread is about some guy with a problem with pinny..all i said was i have zero sympathy for a book and im on the players side..is english not your 1st language?

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Not I. I don't live in Vegas. I carefully pick who I play with. If I don't trust them I don't play with them. Quite simple really.

You're talking about trusting websites from other countries. You can 'trust them' but what you are really trusting is the opinion the public has of them. You don't know any of these people personally and if they wanted to run away with everyone's money one day there isn't anything we could do.

[Hareeba!]

what are you talking about clown??..when did i say dont trust the books i play with?..i play with bookmaker and heritage currently and i get paid when i win..thats all i care about..this thread is about some guy with a problem with pinny..all i said was i have zero sympathy for a book and im on the players side..is english not your 1st language?

English is more my language than it is yours.

Sorry, but amongst all that hate and torrent of insults it appeared to me that you don't trust any books if you say that anyone who stands up for their rights doesn't have your sympathy.

I've always been paid by every book I've used but that didn't stop me sacking two which demonstrated that they didn't deserve my trust.

[Hareeba!]

You're talking about trusting websites from other countries. You can 'trust them' but what you are really trusting is the opinion the public has of them. You don't know any of these people personally and if they wanted to run away with everyone's money one day there isn't anything we could do.

That's not entirely true.

Most books I deal with are in regulated jurisdictions which endeavour to safeguard my funds and protect my rights.

[mh217]

well not sure how english is more your language than mine if you cant read properly, in any case all i said was i dont understand why anyone is defending pinny against a regular player..the guy said he made 30 deposits and now that he won a few grand and they want to cite policy to not pay him?..thats a damn shame..chances are he would have continued playing there as he has been...4 grand is not life changing money..and i tried to give you examples of how books make errors and cost players time and money yet they are never held accountable...in any case i hope the guy gets his money..and like i said i dont care for the rights of sportsbooks..i mean sbr wouldnt even exist if we didnt need protection from books in the first place.

[allin1]

i play with bookmaker and heritage currently and i get paid when i win..

you get payed when you win because your deposits are cleared in the first place... in the OP's case the deposit wasn't cleared by the bank. Is it hard to understand that he was gambling without any risks because there was no money at risk? Pinnacle could never know if he actually new that or not. To give the man free money will seem absurd to any book.

[helpplease]

man how some of u guys are defending this book is pathetic .. he had so many deposits and only once did this happen and this one time he won .. and they decide not to pay his winnings citing a rule .. get outta here man that`s some BS .. what if u lost the money ?! u`d had to pay them

Pinnacle is overrated and I am telling u this .. I PLAY there and I don`t like them .. they have no Customer service number .. only email and they offer no props for a lot of sports and there Parlays are JUICED to -110

Betfair and 5dimes are far better then Pinnacle .

[allin1]

If this is because of a rule mentioned in terms and conditions it's even better. Anyone who places a bet with a book accepts the terms and conditions. If you don't like them don't bet.

I am not defending just Pinnacle because any book with brains would act the same. It is ridiculous to bet risk free with money that was not cleared and then expect to receive the winnings. There are enough fraudsters that are willing to act like good customers for a long time to build a good image. These guys are not stupid and won't try to commit fraud from their first deposit all the time. Most of us have no idea how many guys out there are trying to make a free buck and what they are willing to do for it. If one can arb with 30 deposits but then make a hit of 5k risk free and walk away happy whatever the outcome of the bet then rest asured that there are enough out there that are willing to do it. I am not saying it is the case here but some fraudsters have no limits, they steal for a living, and in a case like this it's very hard for books to distinguish the honest customers from the ones that wanted to have a shot at making money without risking a cent.

[Bill Dozer]

With that in mind Bill, would you then support Pinny zero'ing a balance for a player in a similar situation who deposited and lost their initial deposit that was returned NSF? I am under the understanding that Pinny (and most books) would throw a negative balance on the player in that situation. How can that possibly be considered equitable?

No, because these aren't opposite situations. Pinnacle does not get the money when the player loses and they don't control what the player does with the neg balance. If he's a scammer or decides he doesn't value his Pinnacle account, the negative balance is meaningless. When the player wins and they don't get the money they can't be expected to pay on winnings. If a player found himself in that situation and he actually wanted to play there again, then ya, we would speak to Pinnacle on his behalf about not paying for the losses and it would be there decision to zero it out. The reality is the book can always make exceptions. If the player lost a million a year, then ya, they would probably give him credit for this win, and they'd probably send him a lawnmower and a puppy if he asked. But in general, the book has no obligation to pay winnings on funds not risked...even if he meant to risk it.

[wtf]

man how some of u guys are defending this book is pathetic .. he had so many deposits and only once did this happen and this one time he won .. and they decide not to pay his winnings citing a rule .. get outta here man that`s some BS .. what if u lost the money ?! u`d had to pay them

Pinnacle is overrated and I am telling u this .. I PLAY there and I don`t like them .. they have no Customer service number .. only email and they offer no props for a lot of sports and there Parlays are JUICED to -110

Betfair and 5dimes are far better then Pinnacle .

i agree

i think they are clowns, i tried to play poker and it said something about my country, but i could play the casino

and their odds on horses is laughable, you would have to have brain damage to wager on a horse with them

[AribaAriba]

pinny has to pay this guy's winning, i'll be completely depress if this happens to me especially if im a long term loser and the money was present on my account whey they credited funds on my account.

[soccerdouglas]

Just waiting on a result for the SBR arbitration for now. Will update when I know.

[bettilimbroke999]

Addicted online gambler that just happens to have tons of recent "fraud activity" in his bank account causing them to block transactions

Translation: Had these bets lost Pinny was gettin stiffed


OP if you are a legit bettor (highly unlikely) then quit depositing with bank accounts that you are having difficulty with fraudulent transactions, in reality though normal ppl dont have recent fraud on their bank account this is just the classic work of a scammer that is mad as **** he aint gettin his "winnings"

Anyone that believes Pinny is a scambook that is tryin to rob this poster and make an extra couple dimes is a mental midget

[soccerdouglas]

Did you even bother to read any of the posts? I have sent SBR and Pinnacle screenshots of my bank statement showing that I had sufficient funds for the deposit. How many frauds are you referring to because I only said one. I played with them for four years and this wasn't even one of my larger deposit and you think I was trying to scam them, get real. I suggest you learn some reading comprehension and stop making baseless assumptions.

[soccerdouglas]

The only one using the term "Scambook" is you. All I am trying to do is get a fair resolution of my dispute.

[soccerdouglas]

Unless you work for Pinnacle, you are just speculating. And if the players you are talking about can prove that they legitimately made the deposits with a copy of his bank account and have long clean records than they would have a case. But I doubt any scammer would possess that.

[HenryHill]

I have ready ur original post and subsequent ones and looking at this situation, you are entitled to absolutely nothing.

The bottom line is, regardless of whether u really never had the money to cover the deposit in the first place or if it was the bank that fukked up, the bottom line is that at the time of deposit, the funds were insufficient. If it was ur bank's fault, than thats a dispute between u and ur bank. Good luck getting any bank to cover illegal offshore online gambling losses

This is why its retarded to do anything other than w.................u.................. deposits/cashouts...if u gamble on sports, it just needs to be done in cash. That's why bet islands is the best, its the only way they operate. All the problems associated with online sports betting stem from the use of banks/debit/************. When u send a cash money transfer, u remove the card/bank issue from the equation, and thus avoid any problems in the first place.

There simply are no issues that can ever arise when u just deposit/cashout in straight cash. Get with the program pal. You are entitled to nothing. Lesson learned.

[Optional]

I have been a Pinnacle customer for over 4 years during which time I had made over 30 similar deposits to Pinnacle without any problems. I have tried to show Pinnacle that the deposit was made in good faith and that it was simply a mistake by the bank to not let the deposit go throught but they have stopped responding to my emails. They have also confiscated my Vi sa deposit and subsequent winnnings as a result of that deposit. The Vi sa deposit went through without any issues so they had no reason to take that money. I have been an honest customer and I feel Pinnacle is using a bank error to avoid paying my winnings. I sent all this information to SBR and filed a dispute. However, despite the best efforts of SBR Pinnacle has ignored the dispute and I havent recieved a response in 2 weeks. I did not expect this from the supposedly most reliable sportsbook and I am done with off shore sportsbooks.

Whatever he may or may not be entitled to, the bolded parts suck.

[SBR Lou]

Whatever he may or may not be entitled to, the bolded parts suck.

I don't think everyone understands what's happened here.

Most simply, two deposits were made. One for just over $840, one for $217. Moving past the first deposit which the player's bank kept from hitting Pinnacle, the $217 deposit was indeed good. His first wager was a winner. His second wager (for $1,000) lost. Pinnacle would have prorated the part of the balance which was actually risk. He busted out normally as far as the cleared deposit goes.

[Extra Innings]

You were betting with money that simply wasn't in the account. It's that simple, now move along son

[AribaAriba]

lesson learned for everyone that u gotta check the money in your bank account for it to be cleared before making any wager? or books should have wait for the money to be cleared before crediting clients for the deposit.

[allin1]

lesson learned for everyone that u gotta check the money in your bank account for it to be cleared before making any wager? or books should have wait for the money to be cleared before crediting clients for the deposit.

The main lesson should probably be: if your intentions are honest, avoid trying to deposit with a card that has fraud attempt history. Why would you even keep such a card? The moment I had a dubious transaction on a card I disabled it permanently. Anyone who doesn't do this could be a clear suspect for fraud by using uncleared deposits.

[Optional]

I don't think everyone understands what's happened here.

Most simply, two deposits were made. One for just over $840, one for $217. Moving past the first deposit which the player's bank kept from hitting Pinnacle, the $217 deposit was indeed good. His first wager was a winner. His second wager (for $1,000) lost. Pinnacle would have prorated the part of the balance which was actually risk. He busted out normally as far as the cleared deposit goes.

I did not understand that was Pinny's position.

Only information available here was that they were stonewalling him and SBR, without any sort of explanation for the V deposit being kept too.

Would like to know if the OP knew this and has been mis leading us.

Still seems like a like a tough position to take against a regular customer, on the available facts. Particularly if $1000 bets are normal for him.