[Hank Rose]

Thanks Opie but I'm not interested in warfare and I think Shari is very good people.

This is a lot of innocent people's money we are talking about here and this is no where near as innocuous as some at SBR, especially that TV guy Peter Bovada or whatever his name is is trying to make it out to be. This is not about whether Bodog.com was or was not being used in the last few months. It was when the offences were investigated and the proof gathered, and there is a US arrest warrant and indictment out for Calvin Ayre. It doesn't get more serious than that if you have money at anything with Bo in it, or if you are suicidally thinking of putting some there.

[DudleyDawson]

True, his goose is cooked. Why shari refuses to admit that is beyond me.

I don't blame her. Look who she works for.

[No coincidences]

How someone could come to the conclusion that their money is still "safe" with this establishment is beyond me.

As for SBR's defense of Bodog/Bovada -- both with its grading and in posts from higher-ups -- that shouldn't surprise anyone.

As far as I'm concerned, if you believe it's "business as usual" because Bodog or SBR tell you so, you ultimately deserve to lose your balance when it inevitably disappears sometime in the immediate future.

[wtf]

There are videos somewhere of him at his house in Antigua and of course of Loshak interviewing him at sbr last year, so I figured he was staying in that part of the world.

I actually thought there were existing indictments against the guy like the cris guys, I guess not. What took them so long.

oh look the five crimes shill decides to attack his competitor, what a fukin shock

go kill yourself *

[LordVodka]

If you live in Maryland you are not allowed to place bets online?

[darkhat]

They will get him

US can freeze offshore bank accounts very easy also
I hope he is clever with hiding money

If they really want him it would take usa 3 hrs to get him

[darkhat]

How are they going to force him back to the US? They couldn't even catch Osama bin Laden for years. Roman Polanski was arrested for raping a 13yo more than 30 years ago... The US authorities tried many times to force him back and even tried to get him extradited from Switzerland in '99. They were told to piss off. Guy's still a free man, making movies. As are many many more who the US is a lot more interested in than Calvin Ayre. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

They got him when they wanted to, right at a time of the election year when obama's BC kept hurting his image.

[flyingillini]

Calvin is not worried one bit. He will escape this and it will be thrown back in the United States face. You can't mess with smart Canadians.

[durito]

oh look the five crimes shill decides to attack his competitor, what a fukin shock

go kill yourself *

now i am a 5dimes shill? lol. been meaning to start a thread about a scam that 5dimes is pulling right now.

where exactly am i attacking anyone in that post? do you even know how to read? do you ever get tired of being wrong about everything?

[lemart5]

Durito fu ck those guys give me all your betpoints.

[shari91]

Shari,

I think all of us understand that Bodog/Bovada, if that's the veil that makes people feel better, is a customer of SBR. And that you work for SBR. What may not be understood as well is the myths about extradition you are so vigorously putting out on here.

But the smarter people do. Here's how it shakes out.

If Calvin Ayre is going to be extradited, you would be a total idiot to fund either of these sites. A total idiot. Here's why.

Place Calvin is in US custody. The dumbest prosecutor, the dumbest judge, the dumbest juror is NEVER going to believe that Bodog and Bovada are not one and the same. NEVER. US law will go through that farce like a 50 calibre going through a parade balloon. The US has the guy behind it all. Forget Bovada for a second. This guy is in custody for crimes that were committed by Bodog in the United States as far back as 2006. He's sitting in a jail cell. Prosecutors are watching Bovada still taking US bets, they're still running up the months they are going to ask the judge to give Calvin. He's already looking at over 20 years. They don't have to stop with only these two charges. They can charge him with every Bovada transaction they can document. They can keep charging him while he's doing his time and his black cellmate.

Do you seriously think that plug isn't going to be pulled with a very loud plop when he has that gun pointed at his head? Do you seriously think that the last noble act of these fuckwits is going to be to make sure every deposit gets paid back?

If one takes that view, then none of your posters should be depositing at one of your major sponsors, and the ones who have should bring on a run on the bank. So the out for SBR is to create the myth that Calvin has nothing to worry about so long as he stays in some utterly putrid shithole country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US.

But ponder this then, if that's the game, and I have to say JJ certainly isn't playing it. Do you seriously think the US department of justice is going to go to all this publicity to announce these indictments if down the road they look like mutts who can't even arrest this guy? Did they make these announcements, gain all this publicity, and now somebody is saying "Ah, duh, fellas. We forgot one thing. How we gonna arrest this guy." I would say all the mousetraps are already set, the press releases written as to why the nation of Shitarea, even though it doesn't have a extradition treaty with the US, has sent Calvin Ayre there in the interests of cooperation in international law enforcement. What people don't realize is that extradition treaties really only protect nationals of the state that the request goes to. If you're some fat lisping bisexual man with white skin from far away hiding out there, you're outta there, extradition treaty or no extradition treaty.

Your posters should know that their funds are at high risk once Calvin comes back in cuffs and that he is coming back in cuffs. You're not helping with your Alice in Wonderland view of extradition law.

Hi Hank -

Both before and after I started to work here, I've always said the same thing: I don't live in the US at the moment so I can't and will never encourage anyone to deposit at any book that they feel even the slightest bit of trepidation about. It would be hypocritical of me to do so when I don't have to worry about the same issues as a US bettor would at the moment. My posts in this thread had nothing to do with how anyone should feel depositing at Bovada nor anywhere else. Nor did I even mention anything even close to that. I was having a discussion about something that I coincidentally encountered in my personal life not very long ago. That being said, I can't buy into your theory of the DoJ worrying about publicity or the fear of backlash if he is never extradited. The majority of those who would've even seen the press release would never have heard of Bodog or Calvin Ayre or even care if they had. This isn't some well known American who fled the country and/or stole cash from Americans a la Madoff. I'd be surprised if the average person even read the whole article, let alone remembered it 5 minutes later.

Like I said earlier in the thread, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. Obviously one of us will be wrong and one will be right. Some day.

[MBENZ]

If you live in Maryland you are not allowed to place bets online?

Right now I have a problem at DSI related to Maryland.I can bet with them but cannot receive payment to MD. in any form.When I decide to cash out,I'll have to do B2B which sucks at their fee.They made it quite clear I can't deposit anymore from this state.None of my other outs give me any trouble.

[darkhat]

Walk down the street and ask the first 500 people you see who Calvin is, if less than 10 know nobody cares who the fuk he is. The US doesn't care that much about getting him or they would of. If they really wanted anybody they can get them in hours. We make up imaginary terrorists in order to destroy entire countries for profit, you think a guy who owns a website is clever enough to get away if they really care..

[DudleyDawson]

they should've indicted him for his book being the absolute worst book out there. this book is like a walking cartoon. horrible, software, very late lines, shitty lines, bad CS...etc etc etc.

[durito]

Thanks Opie but I'm not interested in warfare and I think Shari is very good people.

This is a lot of innocent people's money we are talking about here and this is no where near as innocuous as some at SBR, especially that TV guy Peter Bovada or whatever his name is is trying to make it out to be. This is not about whether Bodog.com was or was not being used in the last few months. It was when the offences were investigated and the proof gathered, and there is a US arrest warrant and indictment out for Calvin Ayre. It doesn't get more serious than that if you have money at anything with Bo in it, or if you are suicidally thinking of putting some there.

So what about all the other owners/principals from books that have been under indictment for years and living in Costa Rica/Antigua? Or are you arguing that the US has special interest in Ayre because of how high profile he has been? If so wouldn't someone more influential that cop car buying moron from Maryland be in charge?

[OMGRandyJackson]

Canada invented Insulin
A natural hormone created by the body

Read a book nub. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Banting

[LordVodka]

Right now I have a problem at DSI related to Maryland.I can bet with them but cannot receive payment to MD. in any form.When I decide to cash out,I'll have to do B2B which sucks at their fee.They made it quite clear I can't deposit anymore from this state.None of my other outs give me any trouble.

Wait....if Maryland can pass this law then what's stopping every other state? I hope they don't do this or it's over for the US.

[Emily_Haines]

usa sucks

[tblues2005]

Emily I agree to a point. USA would be better if they started to find a way to regulate it and tax it. That would benefit the casino and book maker business in this country if they did that. I do believe that the Democrats here want to do that but they want to make sure that it is only adults playing and making sure that it is taxed. It certainly can't hurt to help the economy here and keeping money here instead of some other country. I just think that doing it the way they are doing it is hurting more than it is helping.