1. 02-11-12 02:00 PM #1
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    4LenghtsClear Are All UK Books Basically The Same??

    The big shops I guess

    365
    stan james
    paddy
    willy hill
    ladbrokes
    sportingbet
    coral
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  2. 02-11-12 02:07 PM #2
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    Pretty much.

    They are all rock solid in terms of security of funds (with a big question mark over SportingBet from your list), offer wide ranges of betting options but will cut you off in a heartbeat if you show signs of being able to beat them.
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  3. 02-11-12 02:10 PM #3
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    Waste of time

    Make one big +EV bet and you're gone

    WH for example posts 2h lines before 1h is even over
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  4. 02-11-12 03:53 PM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathdotcom View Post
    Waste of time

    Make one big +EV bet and you're gone

    WH for example posts 2h lines before 1h is even over
    They post 2nd half lines before the game starts.
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  5. 02-11-12 04:03 PM #5
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    I think your probably better off using the Asian books if you like to bet a little more cash

    I am starting to think BoDog is the best UK Book
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  6. 02-11-12 04:05 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by byronbb View Post
    They post 2nd half lines before the game starts.
    yeah but your edge is maximized right before halftime

    nothing wrong with books posting 2h lines before game goes off
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  7. 02-11-12 04:10 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I think your probably better off using the Asian books if you like to bet a little more cash

    I am starting to think BoDog is the best UK Book
    Bodog.co.uk is the biggest joke of them all.
    They start off with very low limits.

    In my experience, and everyone's is probably a little but different, Ladbrokes are the best of them. They are a bad bunch though.

    It is worth bearing in mind that the 'Asian' books are really UK books just catered to a different client base.
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  8. 02-11-12 04:26 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by FourLengthsClear View Post

    In my experience, and everyone's is probably a little but different, Ladbrokes are the best of them. They are a bad bunch though.
    How are they a bad bunch?

    BAUS
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  9. 02-11-12 04:30 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAUS View Post
    How are they a bad bunch?

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    Just from the point of view of their risk aversion. Limiting players after 3 or 4 bets (in some cases) might be great for shareholders but not for serious bettors.
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  10. 02-11-12 06:00 PM #10
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    So how can you compare SBOBET and even maybe 12 bet with UK books>>

    There not even close to being in the UK and do not have the same licenses

    UK books are the best for casinos action, top flight, top software
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  11. 02-11-12 06:14 PM #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    So how can you compare SBOBET and even maybe 12 bet with UK books>>

    There not even close to being in the UK and do not have the same licenses

    UK books are the best for casinos action, top flight, top software
    SBOBet and 188Bet are both owned/licensed/regulated in the Isle of Man (part of the British Isles) primarily for tax purposes. The IOM is not technically part of the UK but is governed by UK law for all intents and purposes.



    The big High Street books (Ladbrokes, William Hill etc.) all moved their online operations to Gibraltar for similar reasons.

    I have no real interest in casinos and the functionality of software is far more important to me than eye candy. The Bet365 site is probably the most advanced I have seen anywhere but navigation can be slow if you don't know it inside out.
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  12. 02-11-12 06:16 PM #12
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    Limits much higher at SBOBET
    They are not even in the same category
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  13. 02-11-12 06:19 PM #13
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    Why can't UK bookies compete with Pinnacle? We dream of licensed bookies in North America but legalized bookmaking in the UK does not bring better prices to the punters. WH deals 8% 1x2 or something ridiculous.
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  14. 02-11-12 06:27 PM #14
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    I dont think $50 players get limited at UK Books do they???????

    These places have tons of money, why do they care??
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  15. 02-11-12 06:28 PM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by byronbb View Post
    Why can't UK bookies compete with Pinnacle? We dream of licensed bookies in North America but legalized bookmaking in the UK does not bring better prices to the punters. WH deals 8% 1x2 or something ridiculous.
    The simple answer is they don't need to. There is a seemingly bottomless pit of "mug punters" to sustain dozens of 'recreational' books.

    No matter where you are outside the US, there are only a small number of true bookmakers. Pinnacle, SBOBet, IBCBet, Cris/Bookmaker, Greek. We have the exchanges too though.

    Licensed bookmaking in the US would be great for you in terms of bringing transaction costs down but I think you are mistaken if you think there is going to be a US version of Pinnacle sprouting up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I dont think $50 players get limited at UK Books do they???????

    These places have tons of money, why do they care??
    The likes of Victor Chandler and Bodog would, I am sure.
    Most others, probably not.
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  17. 02-11-12 06:36 PM #17
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    I think BoDog takes $500 wagers on NFL and you can win for a while
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  18. 02-11-12 06:43 PM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I think BoDog takes $500 wagers on NFL and you can win for a while
    You do know that Bodog Europe is completely separate from Bodog Canada and Bovada, right?

    I honestly wouldn't know about the NFL but my records show that I was never offered a wager of more than GPB 60 even on EPL!

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  19. 02-11-12 06:49 PM #19
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    No one has mentioned partybets. According to my account they are apparently willing to take ~20k on NHL games.....
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  20. 02-11-12 06:53 PM #20
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    PartyBets has been around, I have no idea about the book though
    I guess owned by Partypoker/BWIN

    4Lenghts your a big bettor though
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  21. 02-11-12 06:57 PM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by byronbb View Post
    No one has mentioned partybets. According to my account they are apparently willing to take ~20k on NHL games.....
    Really?
    Partybets/Gamebookers are not the worst by any stretch but I would be stunned if they accepted such a bet.
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  22. 02-11-12 07:04 PM #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I dont think $50 players get limited at UK Books do they???????

    These places have tons of money, why do they care??
    absolutely they do - most limit to $1 or $2 within ten wagers
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  23. 02-11-12 07:05 PM #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by FourLengthsClear View Post
    The likes of Victor Chandler and Bodog would, I am sure.
    Most others, probably not.
    Victor Chandler is one of the worst - they don;t limit, they just close your account without even given you access to your betting history
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  24. 02-11-12 07:09 PM #24
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    UK books not even close to being on my radar

    It is like Kindergarten over there

    I'd rather play the fukking lottery
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  25. 02-11-12 07:12 PM #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Limits much higher at SBOBET
    They are not even in the same category
    not completly true if you are a loser( like me) in bet365 or willhill you have limits of 3000euros Sbobet standart limit is 1000.
    But yes UK bookies are a waste of time for pros
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  26. 02-11-12 07:18 PM #26
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    weird to take 18k on nba ml then only 6 on spread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by byronbb View Post
    No one has mentioned partybets. According to my account they are apparently willing to take ~20k on NHL games.....
    Can you double check that Byron? As far as I can work out their max. "to win" figures are USD 5000 for top soccer leagues and USD 2500 for other "major" sports albeit that is through Gamebookers (sister site).



    edit. Holy crap to your post above this!
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  28. 02-11-12 07:22 PM #28
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    lolololo wow they must think im a whale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I dont think $50 players get limited at UK Books do they???????

    These places have tons of money, why do they care??
    $10 bettor here... down lifetime against Bodog.co.uk and limited to $4 on most events.
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  30. 02-11-12 09:12 PM #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Limits much higher at SBOBET
    They are not even in the same category
    Sure. I don't disagree with this, as mentioned they cater to a different client base.

    It is just that the heading of 'Asian book' might give the impression that they are being run from Hong Kong or Kuala Lumpur. IBCBet is a genuinely Asian book.
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  31. 02-11-12 09:19 PM #31
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    4 Lengths call me
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  32. 02-12-12 03:15 AM #32
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    some of them go in fits and spurts, a few have clearly changed their level of acceptance on tennis lately for example. but yes mostly rubbish
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    How the hell you have such big limits on party/gamebookers??
    I have account for maybe 1-2 week and i am not limited but my limits on odds 2.1 on NHL game are only 28€???
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  34. 02-12-12 07:54 AM #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    The big shops I guess

    365
    stan james
    paddy
    willy hill
    ladbrokes
    sportingbet
    coral
    bluesquare

    etc


    Yes roughly there all the same Im a manager for coral in London and we offer same prices for most things and as soon as customers start winning large amounts we limit them to 25 a bet and then they go elsewhere
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  35. 02-12-12 08:11 AM #35
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    If you are dealing with large sums the bookies that are listed on a stock exchange are your best bet such as Paddy Power, William Hill, Betfair, ect as they have greater reporting requirements.
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