[meckis]

They still make money on juice with this "bad line" so how could it be bad line? And they say that -3500/+800 is correct price? Are they serious?

[pellumb341]

who cares if it was bad line or not ??? you get paid to do your work well. If you put bad lines then take the responsibility,it is your fault not mine.If somebody makes errors ,he has to pay for his errors not to justify.

Let's say i wanted to bet on a match ,but my hand slipped and mistakenly i bet another match... will the sportsbook cancel it at the end of the match ? NO ,they won't. Because it was my mistake and it is my responsibility. This thing has really happened to me.

[pjesnik24]

you should file a complaint. bookie cannot cancel, even pregame, something they have put on with correct odds. can you imaging how many bets would be cancelled every single day? if a spread is -7 and they have 1.000.000 on one side and 100.000 on the other they CANNOT cancel the 900.000 even pregame because the odds were correct. I think that you should get paid if the odds were correct

[bubba]

complaint filed

[Bill Dozer]

It sucks now you know it would have been a winner.

But if they cancelled pre-game not much complaint really. Unless you honestly think you would still think it 'should' be honored had the bet lost too.

This is the correct way to look at it. Your money was never at risk. I understand you feel jobbed because you would have won. They offered something by mistake and didn't let you buy it. But they offered you a new price and you exercised your right to decide if it was still valuable. It's a valid complaint in itself when books make these mistakes but you don't have a claim to a winning ticket unfortunately. Maybe they will offer you a free bet bonus.

Had the bet been canceled after the start of the game because they had an extra digit on there like this, we could argue that they should pay you generously on what they perceived to be the correct odds.

[RickySteve]

+1800 or +8000 makes some sense but how does anyone accidentally type +1875 instead of +800?

+1875 was a legit offering and they had 2nd thoughts after writing the ticket. Foul imo.

[Bill Dozer]

+1800 or +8000 makes some sense but how does anyone accidentally type +1875 instead of +800?

+1875 was a legit offering and they had 2nd thoughts after writing the ticket. Foul imo.

Always matters how long it was up there too. If It was 1875 when the line was higher and it came down and crossed the 7 or something you could have a point. But in general, this one is +900/1000 off. How stupid of a mistake was it is a valid Q. Maybe someone has bad math or the cat stepped on the keyboard. Maybe they wanted to shade the "no" heavy and software automatically made the comeback juicier than intended which would also be a good gripe.

[bubba]

Always matters how long it was up there too. If It was 1875 when the line was higher and it came down and crossed the 7 or something you could have a point. But in general, this one is +900/1000 off. How stupid of a mistake was it is a valid Q. Maybe someone has bad math or the cat stepped on the keyboard. Maybe they wanted to shade the "no" heavy and software automatically made the comeback juicier than intended which would also be a good gripe.

ill tell you what feels shady/messed up. the fact that the -3500 didnt move an inch. its so covienient for them they can keep all the -3500's they booked and liked because that was a good line according to them. im not sure how -3500 can be a good line and +1875 a bad 1. i feel and always have felt for a book to fairly cancel a wager for a "bad line" (even before the game), it needs to be OBVIOUS to a reasonable person. props are harder and more leeway needs to be given before cancellation.

the fact that -3500 was correct according to them, would make it IMPOSSIBLE for +1875 to be a bad line. how is a reasonable person supposed to know +1875 is wrong? if told -3500 is correct, anybody in the world would say +1875 sounds like its correct.

yeah yeah, its after the fact, i had a "freeroll" if they were to pay me. whose fault is this???? the book should not have the leeway to cancel wagers that are not bad lines. the rule should be there to protect the book against OBVIOUS errorrs. even if done before the game kicks off. this is the furthest thing from an obvious error.

ill tell you the error they didnt like. it was not the +1875. it was the fact that they limit me on my prop bets to 250 and didnt like be betting one with a potentially large payout so they made the line ridiculous. the error was having a prop bet that could pay me out over 4k. that was the error, not the number 1875. they got scared and cancelled.

[Optional]

You've explained your case well Bubba. I bet they look after you somehow.

[RickySteve]

I bet they don't.

[Optional]

'They' have a pretty good reason to.

[pjesnik24]

This is the correct way to look at it. Your money was never at risk. I understand you feel jobbed because you would have won. They offered something by mistake and didn't let you buy it. But they offered you a new price and you exercised your right to decide if it was still valuable. It's a valid complaint in itself when books make these mistakes but you don't have a claim to a winning ticket unfortunately. Maybe they will offer you a free bet bonus.

Had the bet been canceled after the start of the game because they had an extra digit on there like this, we could argue that they should pay you generously on what they perceived to be the correct odds.

main question here is was that really a bad line? I see that you have already taken that as a fact for some reason. -3500/+1875 does not seem like a bad line ESPECIALLY if the thing Pareto wrote at the beginning of the thread that the odds you could bet on betfair were going up to 18.00 decimal odds (+1900) are true (and there is no reason for him to lie).
So, what you are saying is that this was a bad line because it was too big even though it was offered at an exchange at bigger odds. I find that a bit strange to be honest

[durito]

That is a tough one to call.

In Superbowl betting, you usually see the "No Overtime" priced between -800 to -1000. You'd expect to see Yes overtime at +600 to +800.
.

this line has closed more like -1500 No for several years now. Bet should not have been canceled.

[bubba]

im not sure what they are "looking into". do they think i should be compensated at all or not? i assume its no, but they dont want to come out and say it directly. our emails::

Hi

Your complaint is valid in terms of sportsbook feedback for the botched life, but no claim as far as the market value as by your admission the line was corrected and wager cancelled before game-time.

Best regards,
Lou


to Lou
i have no idea what you are saying. can you please repeat in differnt words? thank you


Lou Lou@sportsbookreview.com
Jan 9 (1 day ago)

to me
It was a typo, botched price*.

Best regards,
Lou


To: Lou




Jan 9 (1 day ago)

to Lou
im still not understanding what your saying. the sportsbook cancelled a wager that was a fair price according to me and betfair. this was done before a game. is this a legetimate complaint? or are sportsbooks allowed to cancel wagers? as long as its done b4 the game they can cancel any prop they want??


Lou Lou@sportsbookreview.com
Jan 9 (1 day ago)

to me
We’ll speak with management re: the circumstances surrounding the cancellation.

Your particular wager had no action as it was cut off before the game started, you realized you could have played the adjusted line but chose not to.

Best regards,
Lou

From:
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:11 PM
To: Lou
Subject: Re: [COMPLAINT]



Jan 9 (1 day ago)

to Lou
the adjusted line was a bad line, i obviously wouldnt bet into that. +800/-3500???? now that is a bad line!



7:24 PM (15 hours ago)

to Lou
is this going to be looked into, or is sbr's feeling that the book is in the right??


Lou Lou@sportsbookreview.com
9:04 AM (1 hour ago)

to me
,

Read my previous email. Thanks so much.

Best regards,
Lou

[dj_destroyer]

Hey man, when you're sharp, you're sharp. They realized you found a +EV betting situation and they stripped you of it. No bad line here, just a book trying to stay profitable. You got screwed and there isn't anything you can do about it.

[Scooter]

im not sure what they are "looking into". do they think i should be compensated at all or not? i assume its no, but they dont want to come out and say it directly. our emails::

Hi

Your complaint is valid in terms of sportsbook feedback for the botched life, but no claim as far as the market value as by your admission the line was corrected and wager cancelled before game-time.

Best regards,
Lou


to Lou
i have no idea what you are saying. can you please repeat in differnt words? thank you


Lou Lou@sportsbookreview.com
Jan 9 (1 day ago)

to me
It was a typo, botched price*.

Best regards,
Lou


To: Lou




Jan 9 (1 day ago)

to Lou
im still not understanding what your saying. the sportsbook cancelled a wager that was a fair price according to me and betfair. this was done before a game. is this a legetimate complaint? or are sportsbooks allowed to cancel wagers? as long as its done b4 the game they can cancel any prop they want??


Lou Lou@sportsbookreview.com
Jan 9 (1 day ago)

to me
We’ll speak with management re: the circumstances surrounding the cancellation.

Your particular wager had no action as it was cut off before the game started, you realized you could have played the adjusted line but chose not to.

Best regards,
Lou

From:
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 7:11 PM
To: Lou
Subject: Re: [COMPLAINT]



Jan 9 (1 day ago)

to Lou
the adjusted line was a bad line, i obviously wouldnt bet into that. +800/-3500???? now that is a bad line!



7:24 PM (15 hours ago)

to Lou
is this going to be looked into, or is sbr's feeling that the book is in the right??


Lou Lou@sportsbookreview.com
9:04 AM (1 hour ago)

to me
,

Read my previous email. Thanks so much.

Best regards,
Lou

Bubba - (to Lou)
"i have no idea what you are saying. can you please repeat in differnt words? thank you"


Jan 9 (1 day ago)

Bubba (to Lou) - "im still not understanding what your saying"








Typical "help" from Lou.

Incomprehensible messages. Worthless cs.


"7:24 PM (15 hours ago)

to Lou
is this going to be looked into, or is sbr's feeling that the book is in the right??


Lou Lou@sportsbookreview.com
9:04 AM (1 hour ago)



to me
,

Read my previous email. Thanks so much.

Best regards,
Lou"

He DID read your previous email.
And he has no idea what you're trying to convey.
Neither do I.
And probably, neither do you.

I challenge Bill Dozer or anyone else to translate his messages to the OP and make sense of them.

Typical Lou behavior.

OP asks question.

Lou responds incoherently.

OP says "I don't understand your response".

Someone with any sense of cs or desire to communicate would realize his previous message didn't communicate well and restate it.
Lou instead says "Re-read it".

[BigDaddy]

good luck bubba

[wrongturn]

It is safe to assume any message that does not make sense to you means 'we can't help you'.

My guess is island.

[pjesnik24]

this is a very very bad thing for SBR and for all of us gamblers. Now, the SBR watchdogs say that it is ok for bookie to cancel a wager before the game claiming a bad line even it is NOT? Was not there a video from Justin7 about Titanbet where they were cancelling wagers claiming bad lines?
very very bad precedent SBR

[Monte]

bottom line is, they 100% did not cancel -3500 sucker bets..
i hope we can hear what book it is, when this is settled. As above poster wrote, this is bullshit and so is Lou.

[pjesnik24]

bookie said it is a bad line and SBR investigated, I mean they accepted bookies word as a fact, and concluded it must have been a bad line even though betfair had a similar offer

[sharpcat]

This was really a bad idea even wasting your time disputing a bad line against 5pennies, SBR will side with 5pennies every time. Now Toni is going to limit your account to $5 max bets.

[pellumb341]

comes a moment when everybody sees his pocket,this moment just came for SBR

[Optional]

You've explained your case well Bubba. I bet they look after you somehow.

Sounds like you have two choices Bubba. Suck it up or out the book.

I'd guess 90% of readers agree they acted in bad faith. So that's validation at least. Might cost you your account to keep pushing it, if you value it still. Although you will get the satisfaction of costing them more in business from around here than they saved by shafting you.

[SBR Lou]

Bubba's being credited with a $500 FP for the inconvenience. Regarding the odds allegedly being comparable to Betfair and not an egregious error, management's having that investigated.

[poloyol]

same here...filed a complaint against 365 and never got a response...anyways Pareto the book decided that u had a good chance of hitting it so they just cancelled it,they wouldn't have cancelled it if u took No O.T -3500.When i notice a good line,before wagering i contact the book before to c if its a mistake.It happened to me twice that i had a good line and thank goodness they both came in...of course they got cancelled but imagine if they would have lost,do u think they would have cancelled them?????So know i don't take anymore chances.

[RickySteve]

I wish I had $500FP for every time 5Dimes cheated me out of a bonehead opener.

[SBR Lou]

I wish I had $500FP for every time 5Dimes cheated me out of a bonehead opener.

The book wasn't 5D.

same here...filed a complaint against 365 and never got a response...anyways Pareto the book decided that u had a good chance of hitting it so they just cancelled it,they wouldn't have cancelled it if u took No O.T -3500.When i notice a good line,before wagering i contact the book before to c if its a mistake.It happened to me twice that i had a good line and thank goodness they both came in...of course they got cancelled but imagine if they would have lost,do u think they would have cancelled them?????So know i don't take anymore chances.

Poloyol,

We don't see a 365 claim under your email. I've sent you a PM.

[relaaxx]

this looks bad for the book and sbr. now 500 freeplay offer. management investigating claim of betfair odds after the 500 freeplay offer. why make that offer before you know the facts. because they know the line was not a bad line in the 1st place.bubba should decide what is fair now. ask for what he wants. hopefully book agrees. and this threads ends. everyone walks away before this goes on and on. ------- which book is it? they should reap the harvest of stiffing a fellow gambler.

[pellumb341]

The book wasn't 5D.

you have to tell the name of the bookie to warn the others ...

first you(the bookie) tell that it was bad line,after a lot of argues you admit that it was NOT and offer free play i don't care if it is bad line or not,if my bet is accepted you can't void it.You have brain and eyes, so put it correctly . If you put it incorrectly ,take your responsibility.

[bubba]

you have to tell the name of the bookie to warn the others ...

first you(the bookie) tell that it was bad line,after a lot of argues you admit that it was NOT and offer free play i don't care if it is bad line or not,if my bet is accepted you can't void it.You have brain and eyes, so put it correctly . If you put it incorrectly ,take your responsibility.

im sure it will be said what book in due time whats its settled unless the book for some reason is very adamant they dont want it to be known in a settlment.

as of now there is no free play in my account, and i have received no email from sbr or the book about such free play coming ( i have NOT even contacted the book 1nce about this matter, i have decided to let sbr handle it thus far).the only thing i have heard about a 500 free play is what john has posted in this thread.

so tell me, is this the final decsion of sbr? 500 free play and all is good? did the sportsbook act properly here or not??

[d2bets]

this line has closed more like -1500 No for several years now. Bet should not have been canceled.

Not only that but that was an 8 point spread. You would expect a game with a much lower spread to have a greater chance of OT and hence lower odds. +1875 does not seem all that unreasonable to me at all, especially when paired against -3500 the other way. No way is this a bad line. Complete BS. If it was +1875 for and -1500 against then yeah, bad line. But +1875/-3500 on this? How is any reasonable bettor supposed to see that and recognize it as a bad line. Nope.

[RickySteve]

The book wasn't 5D.

My point stands.

[indio]

Not only that but that was an 8 point spread. You would expect a game with a much lower spread to have a greater chance of OT and hence lower odds. +1875 does not seem all that unreasonable to me at all, especially when paired against -3500 the other way. No way is this a bad line. Complete BS. If it was +1875 for and -1500 against then yeah, bad line. But +1875/-3500 on this? How is any reasonable bettor supposed to see that and recognize it as a bad line. Nope.

You obviously don't understand math or the wagering business. Not only was this a bad line, it was OBVIOUSLY a bad line. Offering +1875 on a game going into overtime is a HUGE EDGE FOR THE PLAYER. That would be like me offering you 6-1 odds on rolling a 7 with a standard set of dice. Let's look at all the reasons why your arguments are ridiculous.

1.Since the NFL went to 11 playoff games a year since 1990, there have been 225 playoff games, 20 have gone into OT. That is 7.6% and a ratio of around 12-1. If we look since 2003, there have been 92 playoff games, 10 of those have gone into OT, which is a ratio of 8.2-1 in recent trending. Still think +1875 is "fair"?

2. Do you have any clue what the house edge is on a -3500/+1875 line? It's a paltry 2.23%. That is slightly less hold than offering -105/-105. Do you really think they would offer margins that low on a prop bet that would be all 1 sided action?

3. The -3500 on NO is basically offering only the YES bet on overtime to players. But offering -3500/+800 is still less vig than offering -120/-120. Would you be crying foul if a low volume prop was offered at -120/-120? Why not, there is more house edge in that than -3500/+800

4. The fact that they cancelled BEFORE THE EVENT STARTED, and then offered the fair price of +800 before the contest means this place did NOTHING WRONG.

And by the way, don't get too caught up in the 8 point favorite angle, thats just to balance action on the game, means very little in relation to chances of OT. In fact, the more important number was the total of 34, which predicted a tight, low scoring game which is more condusive to an OT.

The fact that so many nimrods are screaming for sanctions and crying foul is further proof of how dumb the general betting public is in regards to gambling.

[bubba]

You obviously don't understand math or the wagering business. Not only was this a bad line, it was OBVIOUSLY a bad line. Offering +1875 on a game going into overtime is a HUGE EDGE FOR THE PLAYER. That would be like me offering you 6-1 odds on rolling a 7 with a standard set of dice. Let's look at all the reasons why your arguments are ridiculous.

1.Since the NFL went to 11 playoff games a year since 1990, there have been 225 playoff games, 20 have gone into OT. That is 7.6% and a ratio of around 12-1. If we look since 2003, there have been 92 playoff games, 10 of those have gone into OT, which is a ratio of 8.2-1 in recent trending. Still think +1875 is "fair"?

2. Do you have any clue what the house edge is on a -3500/+1875 line? It's a paltry 2.23%. That is slightly less hold than offering -105/-105. Do you really think they would offer margins that low on a prop bet that would be all 1 sided action?

3. The -3500 on NO is basically offering only the YES bet on overtime to players. But offering -3500/+800 is still less vig than offering -120/-120. Would you be crying foul if a low volume prop was offered at -120/-120? Why not, there is more house edge in that than -3500/+800

4. The fact that they cancelled BEFORE THE EVENT STARTED, and then offered the fair price of +800 before the contest means this place did NOTHING WRONG.

And by the way, don't get too caught up in the 8 point favorite angle, thats just to balance action on the game, means very little in relation to chances of OT. In fact, the more important number was the total of 34, which predicted a tight, low scoring game which is more condusive to an OT.

The fact that so many nimrods are screaming for sanctions and crying foul is further proof of how dumb the general betting public is in regards to gambling.

will dispute a few of these points in a moment but first.....................