[Bootman215]

Bet guardian are thieves, don't play payouts never happen!!!

[Bill Dozer]

Bootman215,
Would you like to tell your story? Are you the player that wrote in about someone forging your signature with Fedex and stealing your package? The next day you did a ********** even though they offered to credit your account? Once you do that there is nothing the book or anyone can do in regards to winnings.

[sideloaded]

sweet thread

[Bootman215]

A credit was never offered. I offered to split it with Scott Carter like a gentleman and he offer extra bonuses with a 5x rollover and future deposits totally up to my payout. After going back and forth with him on Saturday evening he agreed to send me the money. He then changed that and offered nothing. That is when the ********** was initiated. He played judge and jury with my payout decision. He doesn't tell it like it is and I have his emails to prove it. The package was supposely dropped off on 12/01 and the ********** took was called in 1-1/2 weeks later.You buy is a liar.

[Bootman215]

You facts are wrong. First of all the package was not signed for by me it is a name which is not mine. It was also dropped off and signed for at 12:46 pm on a Thursday which was 12/01 and like every other weekday I was at work 40 miles away. If you in fact got your information from Scott Carter or any other representive of Bet Guardian they are full of sh-t. I am just warning the public not to trust them. If you think I didn't have the right to get a ********** to offset some of the money they said are not responsible for I dissagree. By the way Scott carter told me once the money is sent they are no longer responsible. If you bought something from a store that they say they shipped and you never received it would you hold the store where you bought it responsible or the shipper. Think about it before you pass judgment on me. Also ask Scott if he has the credit offer in 1 of the dozen emails he sent me. I think not.

[Dirty Sanchez]

Bootman215,
Would you like to tell your story? Are you the player that wrote in about someone forging your signature with Fedex and stealing your package? The next day you did a ********** even though they offered to credit your account? Once you do that there is nothing the book or anyone can do in regards to winnings.

Bill bringing it strong....

[Bootman215]

Bottom line is they beat me out of $1,700. I gave Scott Carter of Bet Guardian ample time to make good on this issue but he insisted once he gives it to DHL he is out of the picture. I am taking every legal avenue to recoup my money and will go to the authorities for help. If Scott Carter wants to resolve the issue he knows where to find me. That being said I tell you guys be careful of Bet Guardian because when if they get investigated and shutdown payouts may cease.

[excel]

Hey pal, don't go bringing the fukin authorities around here. someone could get hurt

[Tech N9ne]

cool story

[Bootman215]

Excel do you play to collect or just donate for the pleasure

[Bill Dozer]

A credit was never offered. I offered to split it with Scott Carter like a gentleman and he offer extra bonuses with a 5x rollover and future deposits totally up to my payout. After going back and forth with him on Saturday evening he agreed to send me the money. He then changed that and offered nothing. That is when the ********** was initiated. He played judge and jury with my payout decision. He doesn't tell it like it is and I have his emails to prove it. The package was supposely dropped off on 12/01 and the ********** took was called in 1-1/2 weeks later.You buy is a liar.

Bootman,
You decided to pull back the deposits and subsequent deposits (the ones you sent in while "waiting" for this money) all within 36 hours of supposedly not receiving the package which the website shows was sent to your address. Despite having written SBR in the past you felt no need to do so here. You've also used the claim that your FedEx was ripped off in the past, have cheated other books and been involved with ** scams. The only thing JB did wrong was not have you on their blacklist from the start. You are a thief and one of those who ruin it for everyone else.

[Duff85]

I want to name a thread after myself too!

[Bootman215]

Don't know where your facts are coming from but I never had another payout request via corrier yes you are 100% correct that the chargebacks were initiated within 36 hours of my direct conversations with Mr. Carter. He refused to do anything about my problem and I would do it again. We play to collect not donate. Winning is hard for some of us to do and deserve the payout when this is accomplished. You could side with JB bottom line is they are full of it and I would love to see one of there many emails to me showing how they offered to credit my account. They can't cause they do not tell it like it is.

[kmarinouofm]

Don't know where your facts are coming from but I never had another payout request via corrier yes you are 100% correct that the chargebacks were initiated within 36 hours of my direct conversations with Mr. Carter. He refused to do anything about my problem and I would do it again. We play to collect not donate. Winning is hard for some of us to do and deserve the payout when this is accomplished. You could side with JB bottom line is they are full of it and I would love to see one of there many emails to me showing how they offered to credit my account. They can't cause they do not tell it like it is.

how many fedex checks have you lost? Why not have the fedex sent to work if you have lost one before? have you been involved with p 2 p transfer scams?

[FourLengthsClear]

Only two options here:

1) Bill Dozer is making up stuff relating to this poster's past in order to cover a sponsor's back.
2) The OP is scum.

I am thinking that 2) is more likely.

[Jerm3462]

Even if the FedEx check was stolen, it can't be cashed right? Why can't the check be cancelled, and reissued?

[Bootman215]

I never had another fedex or check delivered to me ever. Always did ** or Moneygrams. Also never heard of p 2 p ? Four lenghtsClear have you ever been told by a book that your winnings exceed your deposits and we do not have any of your money so don't complain if you were beat out of $1,700 or after we send the money out it is no longer our responsibility what happens you are in the hands of the corrier. Well that's what Scott Carter of Bet Guardian tells me. Scum you say if you didn't get a payout how what would you do ? Accept it and keep playing with that book ? Get Real Mr.

[Bootman215]

I asked to put a stop on the check from Mr. Carter but I was told that cannot be done. Nothing could be done except I should eat it. Would you I ask.

[kmarinouofm]

I asked to put a stop on the check from Mr. Carter but I was told that cannot be done. Nothing could be done except I should eat it. Would you I ask.

i eat money every day

[Bootman215]

Play at Bet Guardian not only will you eat money but you might also eat shit for dessert

[FourLengthsClear]

I never had another fedex or check delivered to me ever. Always did ** or Moneygrams. Also never heard of p 2 p ? Four lenghtsClear have you ever been told by a book that your winnings exceed your deposits and we do not have any of your money so don't complain if you were beat out of $1,700 or after we send the money out it is no longer our responsibility what happens you are in the hands of the corrier. Well that's what Scott Carter of Bet Guardian tells me. Scum you say if you didn't get a payout how what would you do ? Accept it and keep playing with that book ? Get Real Mr.

Thankfully I live somewhere where depositing and withdrawing money to/from books is a much simpler process and I have therefore not had the situation that you describe.

As I said, the alternative to you having acted in bad faith here is that Bill Dozer has made up a story to protect a sponsor. With respect, I think that is unlikely not least because we are talking about a relatively small amount of money.

[Jerm3462]

This isn't adding up.

If he was a scammer, why would he come complain after he did the chargebacks?

He said he never got the check, and the book said "too bad"?

Then, that dude from SBR slanders the guy.

We must be missing some information.

[FourLengthsClear]

This isn't adding up.

If he was a scammer, why would he come complain after he did the chargebacks?

He said he never got the check, and the book said "too bad"?

Then, that dude from SBR slanders the guy.

We must be missing some information.

You have been at SBR since 2009 and this is the first time you have seen a case like this?

There must have been 30 or 40 cases of confirmed ********** artists, multi-accounters and others coming here to bitch after being caught out.

[Jerm3462]

OK. I was going to edit my post above, but some dude quoted it, so whats the point but...

I usually side with the player in these instances, especially when we are missing key facts and info. Due mainly to the lengths SBR goes to cover up sponsor disputes.

But after reading thru the thread again I have one question for the original poster

You claimed to have never received your $1700 check, and then called BetGuardian and offered to take half as a "deal"?

Who would offer to take half their payout if the loss was no fault of their own?

No one would.

[Bootman215]

Guys this is a warning that Bet Guardian is bad news. My payout seems to be history. Here are the facts in a nutshell.
1. I win $4,000 get collect approximately half and what would be my reason to complain if I received the money.
2. Scott Carter from Bet Guardian promises to make good and the next day he renegs.
3. Scott tells me I have more of his money than he has of mine, you have enough.
4. When I ask him to stop checks or money orders he cannot. Do you believe that ? If it were money orders he has the reciepts and power to stop them and certainly that applies to checks.
5. I ask him to refund my deposits on my BANK DC towards the lost money and he says no.
6. I tell him like a gentleman let's split it and he says no.
7. He offers me extra bonuses on future deposits with a 5x rollover to compensate for my lose. Are you kidding me ?
8. He lies to Bill Dozer.
9. The chargebacks don't equal 1/3 of my loss where is the rest of my money ?
Again guys what do I have to gain except helping you not to get screwed.

[Bootman215]

Scott Carter asked me what I think was fair and I offered to take half as he was offering nothing. I am a business owner and I do give backs all the time to put things behind us. Half is better than nothing and seeing how they are thousands of miles away in a different country what else what I going to do Jerm 3462. Would you take half or get screwed for the whole amount ? I doubt it bigshot.

[FourLengthsClear]

Scott Carter asked me what I think was fair and I offered to take half as he was offering nothing. I am a business owner and I do give backs all the time to put things behind us. Half is better than nothing and seeing how they are thousands of miles away in a different country what else what I going to do Jerm 3462. Would you take half or get screwed for the whole amount ? I doubt it bigshot.

Is it true, as stated by Bill Dozer, that you have solicited SBR's help before?
If so, why did you not do so this time?

[Bootman215]

Is it true, as stated by Bill Dozer, that you have solicited SBR's help before?
If so, why did you not do so this time?

I never asked for help in the past I just tell my story. I didn't ask for help with this problem cause that's a waste of time. Right or wrong I handle bad scenes my own way. besides what was Bill Dozer going to do for me. If they wouldn't give back half my money was he going to get the rest.

[Bootman215]

Bootman,
You decided to pull back the deposits and subsequent deposits (the ones you sent in while "waiting" for this money) all within 36 hours of supposedly not receiving the package which the website shows was sent to your address. Despite having written SBR in the past you felt no need to do so here. You've also used the claim that your FedEx was ripped off in the past, have cheated other books and been involved with ** scams. The only thing JB did wrong was not have you on their blacklist from the start. You are a thief and one of those who ruin it for everyone else.

GUYS AND BILL JUST FOR THE RECORD SEE BELOW EMAIL I JUST SENT SCOTT CARTER OF BET GUARDIAN.

Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:49 PM
To: Scott Carter
Subject: acct #GGC11438

I just received a written confirmation that needs to be filled out to the Bank for the chargebacks. It is not to late for me to cancel this claim. Please advise.

[Bill Dozer]

Bootman is a grade-A scammer and a liar. Without writing a how-to for his cheating methods, he's blacklisted at a bunch of books especially from using specific deposit methods. He's written us in the past to gain leverage and disappears when he realizes he's not getting anything. You don't ********** a few bucks the next day when you think you have a claim to funds and a book is willing to work it out. Not to mention the book didn't cheat him. They did everything he asked promptly...send X amount by the requested method. I'm looking at the tracking webpage for the package, which he has as well, that shows he signed for it. So at best, his claim is he was the victim of identity theft at his front door.

Here is your reaction talking to the chat clerk when offered a mgr. Maybe you didnt contact the courier to try to help because you have already done that with other things shipped to you like your Nike sneakers. No one else from SBR will be responding to you on the forum Bootman.
Veronica: Hello, how may I assist you?
ggc####: I did not recieve my payout from 11/28 in todays mail. Is there a tracking # it has been 10days
Veronica: Let me check one moment please
Veronica: The tracking # is ######## by ***
ggc####: it says it was delivered on the12/01 I was at work at that time and nobody was home
Veronica: In this case you will need to contact DHL, we sent the package.
ggc####: I played with you not DHL you are responsible for my payout not them
Veronica: Yes and we sent you your money
Veronica: We have a tracking # they are saying it was delivered check with ***
ggc####: I didn't recive it do you want me to tell *** They were sending funds to a united states citizens for the sole purpose of internet gambling and my monies are now lost
Veronica: You can ask them for your package
ggc####: I will contact all sportsbooks forums and then notify the Feds of your actions if I don't get my money with 24 hours
ggc####: *** said it was deliveried and they are no longer responsible
ggc####: I am calling the authorities now.
ggc####: Welcome to the IC3 The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C), funded in part by the Bureau of Justice Assistance
Veronica: We did our part and sent you your money, you need to contact ***
Veronica: If not you can contact Greg the supervisor he's coming in 2 hours
ggc####: I am reporting you to the FBI for internet gambling. Adios

[Bootman215]

Bootman is a grade-A scammer and a liar. Without writing a how-to for his cheating methods, he's blacklisted at a bunch of books especially from using specific deposit methods. He's written us in the past to gain leverage and disappears when he realizes he's not getting anything. You don't ********** a few bucks the next day when you think you have a claim to funds and a book is willing to work it out. Not to mention the book didn't cheat him. They did everything he asked promptly...send X amount by the requested method. I'm looking at the tracking webpage for the package, which he has as well, that shows he signed for it. So at best, his claim is he was the victim of identity theft at his front door.

can you remember the last time I asked you for help ?

Bill: Ocotober

[Bootman215]

You saw the signature does it match mine ? Have you had experience viewing my signature in the past ? You back you friends at the book because you hear nothing but disstorted lies. They only offered to make good after I threatened them and the next day they rescinded the offer. They have told you nothing but lies to cover their own asses. Hey I don't give a hoot who is listening to me this was only put out there as a warning. Again I didn't ask you for help because you couldn't help. I will collect my proper payout with help from the authorities. It might take some time but I will collect. Internet gambling is a whore business like drug dealing. They prey on other peoples misfortunes and there addiction problem. They are scum so you call me names think twice that you promote a company that lives off of others peoples grief.

[5mike5]

just get the hell out of here bootman2145

bill has destroyed your cred. with the facts, now go run and hide

you are obviously a low down cheatin bum

[Bootman215]

just get the hell out of here bootman2145

bill has destroyed your cred. with the facts, now go run and hide

you are obviously a low down cheatin bum

I was trying to get a message to players like you to watch out for that book ahole

[Bootman215]

If I was on the outside looking in I would have 2 major concerns: 1) Why didn't the book put a stop on the check and reissue a new one. If the check was cashed they would know who cashed it and that would have ended this immediately. 2) Why would the player involve the authorities which includes the FBI and risk himself being caught up in a legal matter ? This player has contacted the authorities and have reported " The Guardian Guarantee Corporation and its affiliates for foul play. Guys, again this was just a warning. Predict alot of winnings, collect alot of money and the main thing is be careful where you deposit your money it might just be a bogus bookstore. This is my last transmission as " The Bootman has left the building "

Bill: You know it was not a check and you know you didn't bother to talk to them about taking any action whatever it may have been.