[Ez Money 77]

Hi I just typed out a whole long post and went to click on spell check and it just deleted it all so I am going to just sum it all up and post something much smaller.

My problem is my wife opened an account at 5dimes 5 months ago and made one deposit. She lost it that night. I opened an account behind her back the next day and started betting on sports. I was told I was not able to get bonuses though because she has an account in the same address. At the time I didn't care and was just happy that I could bet and she wouldn't find out. Well a month or so later I was not so happy with this and decided to look for another book. I found WagerWeb and started using them. No problems at all though I never made a withdrawal. Later I found SBR and learned that wagerweb was a d- and 5dimes was the top rater book. I was dissapointed because I can't play at 5dimes and get any bonuses. I then decided to sign up with betislands who I am more than satisfied with. It has been 5 months since my wife made that one and only deposit over at 5dimes and sometimes I read things about 5dimes and wish I could play there too. I like all the betting options they have and that they have such quick lines and some other things that I read about here in the forum. Today I decided to go to 5dimes live chat and see if there is anything they can do to work around this problem. After a lengty conversation with Chad in live chat he said per rules of 5dimes I cant get any bonuses. I told him okay well I am going to just stay with BetIslands then and he just said okay thanks have a good day. I feel that enough wasn't done or tried. I think he could have spoke with a manager or someone else and they should be able to work around this. I really doubt my wife will ever deposit again. This was the one and only time since I have known her in 2002 she has put money into any online casio/book. She lost the $200 within 2 hours and had a bad taste in her mouth. She doesn't bet sports and only played blackjack. What do you guys think about this? Am I in the wrong for wanting this to be changed? I mean it isn't the end of the world, I still have BI and love them. I just feel a little bad since this is suppose to be the best book in the business for US customers. Feedback would be nice.

[warriorfan707]

Go on live chat and ask to talk to Tony.

I think he will help you.

[baskets]

fly your wife out to tony for an oral discussion. you might get your playing rights and a freeplay out of the deal

[BiGTonyHAHA]

so what is the problem? you told 5d that you place your action with another book and now you want a bonus?

[Ra77er]

The reduced juice option there is the best thing to have anyway, not sure why you give a rats behind about a bonus anyway.

[SBR Lou]

Player feedback suggests 5Dimes best account option is reduced juice, anyway.

[baskets]

nice avatar, Lou

hey Lou, is it possible to see if I qualify for double pts on that beat the prick from last week? submitted pro app on friday... don't remember when I made my picks. before or after that?

[SBR Lou]

I credited you double now.

[Lou_Vega]

Go on live chat and ask to talk to Tony.

I think he will help you.

[baskets]

you are the man, Lou

[relaaxx]

Go on live chat and ask to talk to Tony.

I think he will help you.

couldn't hurt, to try it.

[Laz]

fly your wife out to tony for an oral discussion. you might get your playing rights and a freeplay out of the deal

[Ez Money 77]

Sent my wife on a one way ticket....now I can gamble in peace. Gonna miss her for a few minutes every other day.

[hankcream]

Why would you want bonuses with huge rollovers anyway, I'm sure you took max bonus @ BetIslands and if you do manage to meet the rollover with money left in your account your damn lucky. Do as Lou says and take the reduced juice and thank him later.

[ADR51]

Bonus whore....

[prop]

Example 1: you get a 50% bonus on a $500 deposit as free play credit with 6 time rollover. Your rollover is $4500.
You decide to use your free play at -110 lines making 25 bets of $10 to win $9.09. Your win rate is 54%. 46% of the 25 times you net $0.00 (because was free play). 54% you make $9.09. (25x0.54)*$9.09=$122.72. You won 54% of the time and your free play is now $122.72 cash. Your balance is $622.72 and you've met $227.25 of your $4500 rollover. You have have 4272.75 worth of rollover left. call it $4273. You decide to wager to 52.50 win $42.73 100 times. You keep the same 54% win rate. 46% of time lose over 46 bets you lose $2415 over 54 bets you win 2550.42. You're up 135.42 more and have 758.14 and therefore a profit of $258.14.

Example 2: You instead bet with reduced juice (-105). You make 25 wagers of $10 to $9.52. You keep same 54% win rate. You win $13.50 here. You then make 100 wagers of $52.50 to win $50. You again win 54% of time. Here you profit $285. You're up $298.50

I free handed this post so maybe math is off somewhere feel free to check or run it at different win rates. In any case -110 compared to -105. You're getting better value on average just then what it takes to meet rollover. This was a 50% free play bonus. If it was 25% results would be far less. If rollover was 5 times, not 6. results would be a little better.

In any case - bonus over reduced juice no question if betting straight up reduced juice is the better option.

Of course there are things you can do to increase value of free play, depending on rules with parlays, and can also arb it out etc. However this illustrates the value of reduced juice and why it wouldn't be wise to pass it up. The most common complaint about 5Dimes is that many years ago someone took the bonus and now can't get reduced juice. There are plenty of people who would trade with you in a heart beat. So youe complaint isn't that valid. If you want bonuses play elsewhere. If you want value stick to reduce juice.

[Ez Money 77]

Thanks for your advice and detailed response. I see the point now and I honestly didn't know that one could not receive a free play bonus if they chose the reduced juice. I only made one deposit with 5D so now I know. I total agree with u about the then.

[Ez Money 77]

I mostly bet 2 team parlays and I'm not sure but am pretty sure that the reduced lines only go for straight bets. I guess if this was the case this would be the best book to use for these wagers. Being only a $ 200-$400 at a time depositor I will pretty much have all my wagering money at one book.

[johngto69]

get a life

[prop]

All these terms and ideas such as parlays, american odds, teasers, free plays, bonuses and on and on I could go listing are just silly encryption that some how works. This encryption stops bettors from figuring out that with simple logic, historical odds, a simple database, a windows calculator, and a few websites sports betting is easy to beat. it's tough sometimes to say that when your mind is spinning from simple math or when variance is beating you like your its bitch, but it doesn't change the fact it is very easy money if have junior high school education and some time commitment to first crack the basic encryption that exists first and then some discipline.

Even if not interested in this at all.. at least understanding the basics. It makes no sense at all to decline reduced juice because are betting parlays.

2-team parlay pays +265?
$200 bet wins $530 on fixed odds or $528.93 on -110 -110 odds.

Why not instead bet
$200 on -105 so $200 to win 190.48
collect winning and have $390.48
Bet $390.48 @ -105 so $390.48 to win $371.89
If this ticket wins you now have $762.37
$200 was your stake so you've made $562.37 profit instead of $530 or $528.93

Unless there is some other reason to parlay (which there probably isn't if routinely betting 2-team $200 parlays) why bother? If you still want to gamble the same way you're pissing away $32.37 to $33.44 on each parlay win because you lack either the simplest decryption or the discipline. Yes breaking your parlays up so every win you collect and go all in the next leg doesn't feel the same mentally, but it's kind mental to throw away $32.37 to $33.44 per win because you enjoy the perception more.

Make sense? 5Dimes reduced juice is an awesome deal.

Rape other sites with their bonuses slowly clearing them via best line, arbing them out or w/e. Then just give your action to 5Dimes. As a $200 per game bettor you can win at a massive clip and have no problem keeping account forever. If you're a winning bettor you're now winning far more. If you're a losing bettor you're getting more bank for your buck, better chances at lucky runs, or if disciplined now saving on losses.

Make sense?

I'm not sure the poster above reason for those comments, but in any case I mean for this post to be helpful and hope you read it.

Edit: I just noticed your post said $200 to $400 at a time depositor (not bettor). The same is still true, the stake of the parlay doesn't matter. Bet it all at -105. Then after win collect winnings and bet the full return (stake + win) on the next game and you're coming out way better this way.

[Ez Money 77]

get a life

And your life is much better? Coming into this forum and responding this? lol Good luck in life sir.

[ehp6737]

While 5Dimes is the best book for US players IMO, they also have some of the worst bonus programs in the industry. Most just take the reduced juice option instead anyway. I dont even think about asking for bonuses when I deposit there because i know I get a bonus everyday by the unmatched amount of wagering options and their juice on soccer, tennis, boxing, etc is by far lower than any other US book, so that's a bonus in itself.

On a different note, as soon as I read "my wife deposited" that just sounds fishy right off the bat. I dont know one woman who would ever think to deposit at an offshore book. Now by itself that fact doesnt prove anything, but then you go on to say you had to gamble "behind her back the next day". Why would you have to hide it? didnt she just do the same exact thing the day before? So the whole thing sounds fishy. With that said, if the "wife" didnt take a bonus on her initial deposit then I dont see why you just cant close her acct and then they should honor bonuses on your acct. If "she" did take a bonus on her deposit than your shit out of luck trying to get a bonus on your acct as her acct got first bit of the apple. Or why not just play through her acct? Oh right, she doesnt know you play

Ask to speak with CS mgr Rommel on live chat. He's very accommodating and if he wont help you out then that's that.

[Ez Money 77]

All these terms and ideas such as parlays, american odds, teasers, free plays, bonuses and on and on I could go listing are just silly encryption that some how works. This encryption stops bettors from figuring out that with simple logic, historical odds, a simple database, a windows calculator, and a few websites sports betting is easy to beat. it's tough sometimes to say that when your mind is spinning from simple math or when variance is beating you like your its bitch, but it doesn't change the fact it is very easy money if have junior high school education and some time commitment to first crack the basic encryption that exists first and then some discipline.

Even if not interested in this at all.. at least understanding the basics. It makes no sense at all to decline reduced juice because are betting parlays.

2-team parlay pays +265?
$200 bet wins $530 on fixed odds or $528.93 on -110 -110 odds.

Why not instead bet
$200 on -105 so $200 to win 190.48
collect winning and have $390.48
Bet $390.48 @ -105 so $390.48 to win $371.89
If this ticket wins you now have $762.37
$200 was your stake so you've made $562.37 profit instead of $530 or $528.93

Unless there is some other reason to parlay (which there probably isn't if routinely betting 2-team $200 parlays) why bother? If you still want to gamble the same way you're pissing away $32.37 to $33.44 on each parlay win because you lack either the simplest decryption or the discipline. Yes breaking your parlays up so every win you collect and go all in the next leg doesn't feel the same mentally, but it's kind mental to throw away $32.37 to $33.44 per win because you enjoy the perception more.

Make sense? 5Dimes reduced juice is an awesome deal.

Rape other sites with their bonuses slowly clearing them via best line, arbing them out or w/e. Then just give your action to 5Dimes. As a $200 per game bettor you can win at a massive clip and have no problem keeping account forever. If you're a winning bettor you're now winning far more. If you're a losing bettor you're getting more bank for your buck, better chances at lucky runs, or if disciplined now saving on losses.

Make sense?

I'm not sure the poster above reason for those comments, but in any case I mean for this post to be helpful and hope you read it.

Edit: I just noticed your post said $200 to $400 at a time depositor (not bettor). The same is still true, the stake of the parlay doesn't matter. Bet it all at -105. Then after win collect winnings and bet the full return (stake + win) on the next game and you're coming out way better this way.

Makes sense sir. Thing is 5dimes is offering the reduced lines for me even on the parlays. If it didn't the one thing that betting parlays is good for as compared to the method you were listing is that you can't bet team A and B both if they are at the same time. You can do If Win bets but that is only for the original bet. If I bet 50 on A then I would have to have game A finish before being able to lay the 96 or so on team B. With a parlay you don't have to wait. Not all games you like start 3+ hours apart. Luckily this isn't the case and 5dimes does allow the reduced juice on my parlays. I have already been playing with them exclusively since posting this originally. They offer so many alt lines and different teasers. I am an action bettor even though its not as profitable I enjoy it. I do this for fun if I win it is a bonus. I don't bet big amounts but I try to win big amounts. So when I do hit something I can have a little extra cash for something nice. If I lose it doesn't cost me very much money for my entertainment. Thanks for your advice though. I do appreciate your help.

[Ez Money 77]

While 5Dimes is the best book for US players IMO, they also have some of the worst bonus programs in the industry. Most just take the reduced juice option instead anyway. I dont even think about asking for bonuses when I deposit there because i know I get a bonus everyday by the unmatched amount of wagering options and their juice on soccer, tennis, boxing, etc is by far lower than any other US book, so that's a bonus in itself.

On a different note, as soon as I read "my wife deposited" that just sounds fishy right off the bat. I dont know one woman who would ever think to deposit at an offshore book. Now by itself that fact doesnt prove anything, but then you go on to say you had to gamble "behind her back the next day". Why would you have to hide it? didnt she just do the same exact thing the day before? So the whole thing sounds fishy. With that said, if the "wife" didnt take a bonus on her initial deposit then I dont see why you just cant close her acct and then they should honor bonuses on your acct. If "she" did take a bonus on her deposit than your shit out of luck trying to get a bonus on your acct as her acct got first bit of the apple. Or why not just play through her acct? Oh right, she doesnt know you play

Ask to speak with CS mgr Rommel on live chat. He's very accommodating and if he wont help you out then that's that.

Fishy it might sound but it is 100% the truth. She didn't deposit so she could play at the sportsbook she deposited to play the live blackjack that someone at her work told her about, we are both blackjack dealers at indian casinos here in California. I went through 2 really bad sports betting periods while being married to her and promised that I would stop playing. I was the one that actually opened this 5 dimes account for her and yes I did take the bonus. She played that night lost the $100 and thought it was rigged and said she wasn't going to play anymore. Well it got me wanting to play again when I opened the account and saw it was a sportsbook as well. Since writing this post I have already re-deposited with 5dimes on my own account and have no problem not getting those bonuses. I would much rather have the reduced juice now. I thought it was a little messed up at first but now that I understand the bonuses and reduced juice a little more even if I could I wouldn't take the bonuses. Thanks for all the advice to you and everyone else. I assure you though that none of this was bullshit and she really did play in the live blackjack for one night lol

[prop]

Makes sense sir. Thing is 5dimes is offering the reduced lines for me even on the parlays. If it didn't the one thing that betting parlays is good for as compared to the method you were listing is that you can't bet team A and B both if they are at the same time. You can do If Win bets but that is only for the original bet. If I bet 50 on A then I would have to have game A finish before being able to lay the 96 or so on team B. With a parlay you don't have to wait. Not all games you like start 3+ hours apart. Luckily this isn't the case and 5dimes does allow the reduced juice on my parlays. I have already been playing with them exclusively since posting this originally. They offer so many alt lines and different teasers. I am an action bettor even though its not as profitable I enjoy it. I do this for fun if I win it is a bonus. I don't bet big amounts but I try to win big amounts. So when I do hit something I can have a little extra cash for something nice. If I lose it doesn't cost me very much money for my entertainment. Thanks for your advice though. I do appreciate your help.

If you're making wagers every week or even once a month what the time game starts shouldn't be a consideration at all. Simply parlay each one of them with some game that starts in the future (and by time I mean make a single bet now, collect stake+win and wager it all on a future match). Or two games starting at same time, one bet might be roughly 1.952 times larger than the other. The reason is one is from the win of the first leg of the manual parlay that was wagered the week before, and the other is a new fresh manual parlay you're just starting and if it wins you'll bet roughly 1.952 times the amount on the next game you have to bet.

You see? It's only perception. If the odds (and by this I mean odds for each team, not payouts) are better in a parlay bet the parlay (this is rare). If they are better betting straight then bet straight (this is more common).

" So when I do hit something I can have a little extra cash for something nice. If I lose it doesn't cost me very much money for my entertainment." <-- and I completely understand this. Don't take this at all as a debate but rather friendly advise on how with just very basic information, change of perception and small discipline can hit that something nice more often. Best of luck.

[Ez Money 77]

I understand what you are saying if both games arent playing at the same time. My question is if both games start at say 1pm how can I possible bet both games without making it a parlay? Say I have $100 and I want to do a $100 parlay. If both games start at 1pm then as far as I know the only way to do this would be to parlay it. I mean I could do an IF win/tie bet if team A wins then bet team B but that would only allow me to bet my original bet of $100 on team B if team A wins. Like I said it doesn't matter though because 5dimes does allow the parlay to have the reduced juice lines so I am able to do the same as putting my $100 on team A then taking the winnings and the original wager and placing it on team B. I would assuming this is the same exact payout without calculating the payouts.

[prop]

okay I won't harp on it. I'm simply saying do your parlays manually. rhetorical question: you're betting lots of parlays. So is there some reason you have to have to chose two games that start at the same time? Why not take a bet from last week, or bet each of those straight (and if win - bet the return on some future game). Plan to have your parlays (which are done manually as straight bets) carry over across different time spans. If you're simply doing a lot of parlay betting it is only perspective that restricts you to needing to bet two at the same time. (You could simply bet them straight and for all winning straight bets of base size - make a second wager of 1.9524 times base size on some future game). You're now still doing 2-team parlays (just manually so), it feels a bit less comfortable as your seeing the mechanics of it, but are making the same wagers with a higher payout.

Consider it like going to a hotel to check in for 2 nights and the manager says Okay EZ Money 77 you can pay now for both nights. However or 2-night rate is $250.00. A little help here... our 1-night rate is $115. If you'd like I'll bill you $115 now, book you a guaranteed reservation for the same room tomorrow and then bill you $115 again, this will save you $20.00, is this fine? and then responding "No I hate paying for hotel rooms, I seriously do and don't want the experience of doing it twice, screw the $20.00 bill me $250 for the 2-night rate so I can't get this over with".

Bookies make a lot of extra profit because players do what is most comfortable. In reality if there is ever 2 games (non correlated) at the same time, if straight betting has better odds than parlays in these spots there would be no reason at all to parlay.

Anywyas no more responses from me on this issue, just making it clear what I was saying.

[Mikeyanks23]

You can def. Doif win bets with games that start at the same time. I've done it. I've also picked say a 4 o'clock game and if that wins my next bet is at 1. 3 hrs earlier. Doesn't matter the times as long as you win in the order you pick them. If you lose game one the whole bet is a loser even if you have 7 wins in a row after that.

[leon]

Come on man,you can live without a 5dimes bonus.

[Ez Money 77]

I really don't know how u think it is any different at all than just betting the parlay . i told u how many times that 5dimes is still offering me -107 on parlays . Its the same exact payouts .

[lovetobet]

You seriously need to go back and re-read what these guys are telling you because YOU REALLY AREN'T GETTING IT!!!

[Optional]

I really don't know how u think it is any different at all than just betting the parlay . i told u how many times that 5dimes is still offering me -107 on parlays . Its the same exact payouts .

It sounds like your account might not be set to reduced juice at all, if the parlay odds you see are the same as straight odds.

Do you see a "Reduced" box like this on your Bet The Board menu?

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[Ez Money 77]

You seriously need to go back and re-read what these guys are telling you because YOU REALLY AREN'T GETTING IT!!!

How am I not getting it? What I understand he is saying, correct me if I'm wrong, is bet say $10 on a game then take the winnings at the -107 odds plus the $10 bet and bet it on a second game. When with my mathematics turns out to have the exact payout of parlaying two games with a $10 bet at -107 odds each. Now if there is another reduced juice that I could be getting lower than this then I can understand if say my straight bets were -104 odds and my parlay bets were each team at -107. So are -107 the reduced odds? I just assumed they were because it was lower than the -110 odds I have had everywhere else. If I'm still not getting this I'm sorry I want to learn so try to explain a little different even though it seems as though u laid it out perfectly understandable.

[Optional]

What I understand he is saying, correct me if I'm wrong, is bet say $10 on a game then take the winnings at the -107 odds plus the $10 bet and bet it on a second game. When with my mathematics turns out to have the exact payout of parlaying two games with a $10 bet at -107 odds each.

Not quite what he was saying. He's talking about the reduced price, lower than the -107 you speak of, available on straight bets to most of us.

Do you see a "Reduced" select box in the menu or not? If not, go ask for it to be enabled.

[prop]

5Dimes reduced juice is -105 base, not -107 base. I've never known 5Dimes to offer -105 on parlays.

Additionally, your money can go further if when you do hit some nice streaks you take some out to bonus whore other sites (if from the US: Bookmaker, JustBet, YouWager, Bovada, Legends each decent ideas). With these sites take it slow and only bet when you have a line better than what 5Dimes is offering - if not bet at 5Dimes. This would be another scenario where breaking the parlay habit would be advised (if you can beat one of the selections somewhere else). Ultimately combining games in a parlay is a costly habit many bettors fall into (you very often can bet the same exact games, and with the same exact win rate would earn or save more as a result of not using the parlay). If wanting to bet this way (parlays) you'll save a little extra simply collecting your winnings and betting it on next game - most don't do this because they're willing to throw hundreds or even thousands of dollars away because betting in parlays "feels different". It's perception - almost everything in sports betting is perception and there is all these fancy ways they use to extract money. Betting would be so much easier if they just gave a cheat sheet and said the implied probability is 51.7% and you could check some notes somewhere see this would win 52.4% of the time and bet it, or see it wins 51.2% of the time and pass. Instead of telling you it is 51.7% though they tell you it's -107 which is a term people didn't naturally think in before learning of betting. Then some other site raises the price (kind of like those 70% off jewelry sales all the US shops have) and says I'll give you a bonus (which looks impressive but is merely the amount they raised the price, and maybe even less). Then there are things like parlays thrown into the mix and other things that make people less likely to odds shop. It goes on and on and on - all these little things to make sports betting look different than what it actually is. Stripped all down though with simple discipline and change of perception a lot more money can be made or saved. Chasing bonuses over valuing reduced juice is rookie mistake #1 (and many people never break that habit so you're already past that one). Betting parlays as in actual parlays (as opposed to manual) at random and without a reason to do this (which small bettors betting many parlays won't often have) there is no reason and it is probably better to just break/avoid it in the first place. In any case at the bare minimum that seeds planted and you have it as food for future thought when the time comes.