[davidchong]

Its this real? Notice below

http://www.onlinepoker.net/poker-new...ncession/13135

[ttwarrior1]

hope not, because i plan on never going back. Needs new owners, new name, new everything and none of those same pros they had, so they can steal more money again


Vegas casino's will get their own online site and that's where we will play , and at stars once it opens up

Merge is just fine

[BigOrange]

Thieves

[mighty maron]

4k lost to them. It appears from the articles I have been reading that Full Tilt will not be paying me. I will have to petition our government to get the money back.

[jjgold]

no thanks

[sweethook]

no thanks sir

[LVHerbie]

Vegas casino's will get their own online site and that's where we will play , and at stars once it opens up

Michael Gaughan (owner of the South Point Casino) has already opened up a play money card room along with a coalition of California poker rooms...

http://www.southpointpoker.com/

http://www.calshark.com/

[Gmen30]

Absolutely not. They stole millions of $$$ from players.

[Legions36]

Whos right here our government or fulltit?? Fulltilt always payed US customers fast, they worked with banks to get our money to us fast and always paid us every cent every time. Then comes our government who decides that poker is like some kind of bad drug and tilt and stars are cartel members so we have to bust them, so lets go into how they pay US customers fast and put a stop to it. Then lets hold up the checks laugh like we did it right buy undercover cars and weapons, hold on to the money that was busted while US customers are basically put on the street and lost there jobs for no apparent reason except that our govn wants there share of tax. What is it less than 3 months after the bust they push harder to Legalize Internet Poker. Then luckily for Stars they are required to hold players fund in a seperate bank account "they can pay", unlucky for Tilt they were not required to do this now they are having trouble paying customers as well as absolute poker. Im not siding with Tilt cause i know alot of people are out this money right now but our government is blaming the poker companies for this mess when they are the ones that did this and they have the money will our own people suffer and some really don't know what to do.
So who is right here guys? I really like how they turn it on the poker sites when this should have never happened to begin with, why not go after the horse tracks or casinos that have real gambling instead of something that u have control of.
Im sorry it just really gets me mad when i read about this whole thing because i know its total bullsh-it and the funny thing is they know its total bullsh-it.

[prop]

Legions, I think you missed the part where Full Tilt spent around $200 million of players account balances on marketing, dividends and other things.

[thechaoz]

Yes they lied about segregation of players money and used it for business expenses etc

[Legions36]

Legions, I think you missed the part where Full Tilt spent around $200 million of players account balances on marketing, dividends and other things.

Naw i didn't miss anything, i know what happened and whats going on but let me ask u this? before all of this happened didn't they pay everyone and fast, i remember always getting my $ the next day. What im saying is trying to get u guys to open your eyes about our government(the so called good guys). They have the players funds and now there pressing hard to pass laws. I believe if they wanted Tilt and Stars out to make this sh-it legal why have innocent Americans as collateral damage. Seriously open yours eyes Poker=skill not legal, Casino games=all luck legal, scratchoffs=all luck legal.
What they did here is press legitimate poker against the wall where some were able to bounce back and others had to do sh-it. What im talking about here is not about Tilt its about the whole picture.

[GUMMO77]

No, they didn't always pay fast, sorry. There were three separate times that FTP took between 1-6 months to pay me. I found out later that the reason was that the account they used for my payout got seized, and this somehow froze my payout. And lets not get into the customer service (or lack there of) FTP pushed out.

If anyone had gotten a check from FTP, you would notice that at first they were issued in Canada, then later on, during the periods where people were waiting for their money (long before the seize of domain;see numerous 2+2 posts) their checks were issued from US accounts. This should have been a red flag to all of us that FTP was doing some shifty shiiitt.

[Legions36]

No, they didn't always pay fast, sorry. There were three separate times that FTP took between 1-6 months to pay me. I found out later that the reason was that the account they used for my payout got seized, and this somehow froze my payout. And lets not get into the customer service (or lack there of) FTP pushed out.

If anyone had gotten a check from FTP, you would notice that at first they were issued in Canada, then later on, during the periods where people were waiting for their money (long before the seize of domain;see numerous 2+2 posts) their checks were issued from US accounts. This should have been a red flag to all of us that FTP was doing some shifty shiiitt.

Well i guess u answered yourself why they made u wait(cause the accounts got froze). I always got paid fast and i didn't do the checks. Also i u had 2 wait blame it on the heat from the govn, processors get hit from time to time and maybe it was the time when the reason they all got busted from, u forget that dude brought them down.

[mighty maron]

Owe me 4k. Til I see that there is no manner of me conceding to any of your points legions.

[VTranX]

I perfer PokerStars anyways.

[UNCGQ]

I'm still trying to figure out how the leap gets made between making a deal with the DoJ to buy the company and legislation being written to allow online poker to US citizens (and FTP being in on the action).

[Legions36]

Owe me 4k. Til I see that there is no manner of me conceding to any of your points legions.

Then don't, im not speaking about fulltilt owing money, im speaking about our government and there bs. U want your $ our government has it either in cash or in undercover vehicles. Money seized for the stupidest reasons, people suffering for the stupidest reasons.

[offshoregenius77]

Whos right here our government or fulltit?? Fulltilt always payed US customers fast, they worked with banks to get our money to us fast and always paid us every cent every time. Then comes our government who decides that poker is like some kind of bad drug and tilt and stars are cartel members so we have to bust them, so lets go into how they pay US customers fast and put a stop to it. Then lets hold up the checks laugh like we did it right buy undercover cars and weapons, hold on to the money that was busted while US customers are basically put on the street and lost there jobs for no apparent reason except that our govn wants there share of tax. What is it less than 3 months after the bust they push harder to Legalize Internet Poker. Then luckily for Stars they are required to hold players fund in a seperate bank account "they can pay", unlucky for Tilt they were not required to do this now they are having trouble paying customers as well as absolute poker. Im not siding with Tilt cause i know alot of people are out this money right now but our government is blaming the poker companies for this mess when they are the ones that did this and they have the money will our own people suffer and some really don't know what to do.
So who is right here guys? I really like how they turn it on the poker sites when this should have never happened to begin with, why not go after the horse tracks or casinos that have real gambling instead of something that u have control of.
Im sorry it just really gets me mad when i read about this whole thing because i know its total bullsh-it and the funny thing is they know its total bullsh-it.

It was a mini Madoff... Nothing more nothing less!!

[RonPaul2008]

Looks like the players will be getting paid... that is good for everyone in the offshore industry.

[presley177]

Sorry but I can't overlook the fact that your money was never "safe" at full tilt with the way they were handling your money. History repeats itself. Feel me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me

[davidchong]

Before black friday, i feel FT is doing welll, all payments are processed in the timeframe posted... but PS was better, processing in less very less than timeframe..., i dont think in a investor put 80 millions for buy a broke business (FT), they have a plan in hand...... i think PS will do the same and 1000% better......

[HauntingTheHoly]

so I'll be getting my eighty bucks back from FT afterall? lol. When?

[RED]

Why can't anyone read in this forum, The article clearly states that FTP is under new ownership, and that the new ownership worked out a deal with the DOJ to get U.S. players funds back. They also worked out a deal with the DOJ to be able to enter the U.S. Market again after the poker legislation passes. UNDER the new ownership.

[RED]

hope not, because i plan on never going back. Needs new owners, new name, new everything and none of those same pros they had, so they can steal more money again


Vegas casino's will get their own online site and that's where we will play , and at stars once it opens up

Merge is just fine

Has new owners

[GUMMO77]

Dude, just because you got paid on time doesn't mean EVERYONE did. There are numerous threads long before Black Friday on FTP and shitty payments and shitty costumer service.

It's hard to say if FTP will be a top card room again, because when it does become legal in the US they'll be many other online rooms backed my Vegas casinos.

[FourLengthsClear]

Naw i didn't miss anything, i know what happened and whats going on but let me ask u this? before all of this happened didn't they pay everyone and fast, i remember always getting my $ the next day. What im saying is trying to get u guys to open your eyes about our government(the so called good guys). They have the players funds and now there pressing hard to pass laws. I believe if they wanted Tilt and Stars out to make this sh-it legal why have innocent Americans as collateral damage. Seriously open yours eyes Poker=skill not legal, Casino games=all luck legal, scratchoffs=all luck legal.
What they did here is press legitimate poker against the wall where some were able to bounce back and others had to do sh-it. What im talking about here is not about Tilt its about the whole picture.

The pro-players affiliated with FTP have acknowledged, after Black Friday, that player balances were misappropriated.

[mighty maron]

[cash$bro91]

They are the MF Global of the poker world.

[gregm]

Why can't anyone read in this forum, The article clearly states that FTP is under new ownership, and that the new ownership worked out a deal with the DOJ to get U.S. players funds back. They also worked out a deal with the DOJ to be able to enter the U.S. Market again after the poker legislation passes. UNDER the new ownership.

That is a rather optimistic read on that article. The article stated " It was then announced recently that Full Tilt’s frustrated customers were a step closer to receiving their $330 million in lost funds after an agreement was reached in principle to sell the company for around $80 million, pending its shareholder’s approval."

"Groupe Bernard Tapie have struck a deal with the DoJ which would also permit them a concession not even yet afforded to PokerStars. Namely, Full Tilt may be permitted to re-enter the US market in the eventuality of online poker legalisation in the States."


A step closer and they may be permitted to enter after poker legislation in the united states passes are the key words and phrases here. There is nothing in this article that really makes me think that players will be seeing their money soon and full tilt will be US facing anytime very soon.

[Legions36]

Dude, just because you got paid on time doesn't mean EVERYONE did. There are numerous threads long before Black Friday on FTP and shitty payments and shitty costumer service.

It's hard to say if FTP will be a top card room again, because when it does become legal in the US they'll be many other online rooms backed my Vegas casinos.

Once again i will say that im not only talking about tilt i talking about everything, but i did use both stars and tilt and always got paid fast i think the longest was 3 days a few times but thats it. Fu-ck absolute and the scandals there would never play at a place like that.
But i will say it again fu-ck our government for sticking there noses where they don't belong, everyone knows poker is a skill game and that its impossible to lose in the long run if your a good player. They only wan't to give players a hard time because its a beatable game.

[Nookx]

Legion is mostly right.... The big mistake FTP made was not segregating funds like they said. All the processor problems for the past few years were all caused by the US government. Instead of helping the players and getting US poker sites up and running years ago the government ****** the people once again. FTP obviously were idiots but pretending that the US government was doing anything the right way is an absolute joke.

[FuzzyDunlop]

They got a concession to apply for a license, there is no way in hell they will get one, too much B&M lobby money, this whole Black Friday was about eliminating the market and starting over.

[mighty maron]

Legion is mostly right.... The big mistake FTP made was not segregating funds like they said. All the processor problems for the past few years were all caused by the US government. Instead of helping the players and getting US poker sites up and running years ago the government ****** the people once again. FTP obviously were idiots but pretending that the US government was doing anything the right way is an absolute joke.

Bigger mistake was that Full Tilt decided to float many many millions of dollars of echeks that could not go processed.

Do not breathe Stars and FT in the same thought. Stars is a class organization that continues to make sound decisions. FT screwed the pooch. 4k and many months later I have seen zero from FT.

[Legions36]

Bigger mistake was that Full Tilt decided to float many many millions of dollars of echeks that could not go processed.

Do not breathe Stars and FT in the same thought. Stars is a class organization that continues to make sound decisions. FT screwed the pooch. 4k and many months later I have seen zero from FT.

Really dude, u do the opposite and have Fulltilt be required to have players balances in a seperate bank and Stars not, lets see the ending story. Lucky for Stars they are in the Isle of Man and were required to do that.
Anyway its all just a bad situation and im sick of it.