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So you keep taking huge leaps of faith to turn this guy into a scammer, while at the same time raging at people for calling out the shadiness of BOL withholding the hands. You might not be a shill but at the very least you're ignorant.Originally Posted by Legions36
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totally agree
I don't really play poker there, ive tryed out the system a few times but its fairly new and buggy so i don't play there, plus they don't have tracker capability which i use online and thats what keeps me from playing on sites. But i wager there and love all the lines and bonuses they have i try to take advantage of it as much as i can.
About this case it seems like there looking threw everything thorough thats why its taking a while, i don't believe they are obligated to give out hand history stuff but i could be wrong. Alot of stuff that happens at bigger sites like Stars your lucky even to get an answer from them when stuff like this goes on, u remember its not just a simple chip dump that is going on your talking of chargebacks, collusion, and anything else u can think of, all i know something like this happened at Starz your done and your money for sure with no evidence to see anything.
But seems to me like they take playing poker serious and don't wan't cheating, also i do remember when the poker first came out i played a few times and because of that 1 of my withdrawals took longer than the norm and they said it was cause i played poker and needed to do check that out, which tells me they want everything right.
Im not ignorant but i will stick up for Betonline because they have always paid me and have alot more to offer than what everyone keeps saying. If u guys want to believe me go ahead if not u have your opinions but i speak from experience.
Also i hate cheaters in poker thats why i don't believe this guy doesn't make me ignorant, i just know they won't make this sh-it up.
Also noted i will be the first one to say some of the things i don't like about them but i like $ more than good cs or live chat and if i have to wait an extra few weeks for a payout which has yet to happen i don't mind, this place with all the rest of my books i use is just a goldmine so don't be mad at me or call me ignorant cause i know where to look for positive plays and the best lines.
yeahi wired them $1000 a grand won $around 5k and the wanted alot of documents and just as they would want I was frustrated with the process and ended wagering more and losing everything. If you send money via ** or ** you should never have send documents to verify yourself prop to caribsports and betislands
Sorry to hear u lost your $ but whose fault it that to not have control, especially when your ready to take your $ out. if its to hard to send in a few documents then why plau online.
I think your mixing up Stars with Full tilt. Stars Customer service was top, and that is why they paid their US Players when April hit.
Also, the standard is to e-mail hand history upon request. Granted there are two types, the player hand history and the Company hand history (Showing more detail, Obviously). When Utimate Bet emailed the company hand history by mistake, that lead to the cheating scandle a few years ago.
We will let this play out.
I have turned $50 into $4000 playing Omaha a few times in a day. So your disbelieve of $1,000 into $65,000 in a month is off. I do believe that he could have a high percentage of fraudgulent chips, dumpers spread it around so that alone does not mean he is guilty.
They should send him some hand history, they are wrong not to do so.
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Still have not recieved any hand histories from BetOnline yet as I repeatedly ask for them over and over again. Here are their latest 2 emails saying why I have not recieved any hand histories yet. http://imgur.com/gQIOA and http://i.imgur.com/BSWf2.jpg.
I well keep you guys updated, I am hoping I will hear something from SBR or Lou today since they thought that they might hear back from them yesterday.
Seem likely at this point that there is nothing conclusive to be found in these hand histories. So this is officially a BetOnline slow pay and as they're not even claiming payment will be sent it is a BetOnline no pay stiff job. If the fact BetOnline can't deliver hand histories in a timely manner yet can confiscate funds off mere suspicious isn't alarming then you're buying too heavily into their fabricated reputation marketing dollars have bought them.
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Last edited by prop; 11-20-11 at 01:08 PM.
BOL has not produced the Hand histories...we dont know if their is anything conclusive....OP has not gotten it going on a week so far I think
Been requesting them since November 11th so it has been over a week. Like I said before, 2 times I had been promised that I would recieve them within the next "day" or 24 hours ...
I wish you luck OP. IMO you wont see your money. The failure of BOL to produce the HH to you for over a week is the death rattle. Without a complete and unadulterated HH of all your play, its BOL's word because they hold all of the information. Information is power...they have it you dont. They also have your money.
If I were you I would make another thread....In this thread ask a SBR rep to answer this question. Is it a reasonable action by the book to not provide you with a complete hand history upon your request? Its called disclosure and every defandant should be allowed it.
If SBR answers that it is reasonable for BOL to withhold your own HH from you then you are stuck. GG but your money is gone.
At this point without knowing SBR's stance on the non-disclosure of the Hand History you are fighting an uphill battle that will problably be lost.
Lesson Learned...always keep your HH on your computer
the problem is even if he saved his HH to his computer, he would have to determine which hands BOL is alleging chip dumping..
This whole story from BOL's side reaks.. Ive seen BOL go to shit lately, and this is one of the worst
At least with another side having the HH...some third party could audit the HH to see if chip dumping had occured
this is taking way too long
Greg242,
If SBR is not able to get an agreement with betonline, i advice you to get a lawyer who is specialized in online poker.
I personaly don't know any online poker lawyer.
I googled for one. Found Lawrence Walters.
so from the information in this thread:
user deposits
user wins
user tries to withdraw
Betonline "reviews" account and all is fine
Whoops all is not fine and your account is suspended due to suspicious activity
Betonline can't provide any of this "activity info" in roughly 8 days (yes there is "talk" going on behind the scenes)
seems about right with the other 20 threads that populate the front page of this forum
Thank you for the name! I have already started looking for a lawyer as of today and will check this guy out. Sounds like exactly the kind of lawyer I need to hire.
it betonlines defense, there inability to send the hand history in a timley matter may not be trying to hide something. they are just slow to do everything.
they are slow to pay you out, they are slow to confirm receipt of book to book trasnfers, they are slow to send book to book trasnfers. they are just slow and dont have there shit together. i dont expect anything i do there to be done in a timely matter so requesting hand histories should be no different.
I see some similarities to the EasyStreet theft case. EZ confiscated 46k in casino winnings despite providing no proof of cheating. BOL is doing the same thing to the OP regarding his poker winnings. Any chance Justin7 will do another video regarding BOL?
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Why does BOL need any time at all? They are already saying that the player is a scammer, so they must have completed their audit. Why is it then that they still need time? They must have some solid proof already, or are they just sending sbr a bigger check this month?
All posts from the OP are worth reading but let's review some key parts:
From Original Post: Chip Dumping Detected "AND" (<-key word here) Confirmed. So he is saying FIRST it was detected, and SECOND it was confirmed. This is quoted below.
Further to the above he says "hands where you were found cheating". At this point his account is not locked due to suspicious activity. Chip Dumping was A) detected, B) confirmed and he was also C) found cheating.
Moving On: The OP has $65,000 stolen from him and wants the ******* hand history, wouldn't you?
From Original Post
^ So far that feeling has proved correct.
Moving On: #4 time he's been told he is guilty here http://i.imgur.com/t25ze.jpg
The image which reads "its sorry you say that but keep in mind you are not our only customer we have legit players with claims as well. I will send you the hands history today so you can see how you did it"
DEAR SBR IS THERE SOME REASON A POTENTIAL $65,000 THEFT AGAINST A PLAYER IS NOT APPEARING ON THE SPORTSBOOKREVIEW.COM NEWS FEED? I AM SURE YOU MISSED ALL THE OTHER MENTIONS OF THIS QUESTION BEFORE SO I AM WRITING THIS IN BEANTOWN TEXTCASE AND PUTTING IT IN BIG LETTERS IN HOPES THIS QUESTION IS NOT MISSED.
Why does Lou always get stuck with these cases?
Justin7 would be much more experienced with a case like this considering his past experience with the Easystreet case. The standard set by Justin7 in the Easystreet case was that the book needs to provide the entire hand history to the forum and prove beyond a doubt that the player cheated them. Why has this not been done yet?
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Hey Lou, are there any new updates with my case?
Hey prop - how about stop acting like a third grader, stop using the GIANT font, and make a lucid argument instead of making big letters with your font.
wtf is going on greg242 r u fukin panicking everyday living in anxiety? how the fuk do you sleep?
greg242 u need some fukin extra $ for the stress cause...justin7 he needs punitive damages greg242 send me some $ for the idea
Betonline already needs to be downgraded for not being able to handle this case in a timely manner
You're welcome. I hope you won't need a lawyer as their service are not free like SBR.
Do u guys think they are gonna steal this guys money? if so thats bad.
This is all very concerning. With BetOnline lying for months they were operating on the Action Network, and now denying a large cashout to a US poker player, it all seems too convenient. It is also extremely disturbing SBR is not taking the issue seriously, and having it resolved in a timely matter. The time BetOnline has taken to produce hand histories is a complete joke, regardless of guilt. Also considering that hand history files are nothing more than text, to say they are too large to send, is either a lie or incompetence.
not choosing sides here until the evidence is presented, but this is a legitimate question. is it possible to doctor up or somehow alter hand histories? im sure theres a way to do that, makes u wonder why this is taking so long....idk maybe like the 1 guy said, they are just EXTREMELY slow to do everything.
There a ton of eyes on this complaint. The good news with it being poker is this won't go away. The UB cheating scandals was uncovered only because of amazing investigative work by many committed forum posters interested in fair gaming and then the help of sympathetic whistle blowers with former association. These guys tried legal threats as well as threats of physical harm to silence people and it didn't work, pretty much the entire thing was exposed and was still carrying on years after the fact. The bad news is I don't think this is going to help the OP get paid. Chances are probably high the account contains a large amount of fraudulent chips - but fraudulent chips won fairly that have been spread around are now legitimate chips at the loss to the site. When a player uses a poker site and puts his own money at risk and plays fairly - those chips which were won fairly can not be taken back from him. (same reasons even a Full Tilt sponsor pro's girlfriend hacked account was told - once the chips are won legitimately they're lost - always been the term from years "nonrecoverable" when i comes to hacked account issues - any chips not deemed nonrecoverable are returned) Its up the poker site to snub cheating and lock accounts MUCH sooner to minimize their risk because once they've transferred back and forth between legitimate players they're now lost in the pool and nonrecoverable. I'd be very surprised with BetOnline running a bonus every deposit model, all sorts of other promos, plus taking CC deposits easier than any other site this isn't what happened here - a huge loss due to fraudulent chips becoming legitimate ones - and then targeting whoever wins big and assuming they're a cheat to try and recover them - or fine combing their account looking for a cash grab *though if support comments are any indication they are only "claiming" to have looked through accounts when ultimately there eff3n clueless to what's going on*. In any case TONS of people are watching this, but I get a feeling its not going to turn out well. Hopefully I am wrong.
If this was not a "B+" rated advertising book at SBR this case would have been closed a week ago. As long as SBR receives their affiliate payment items like this will be swept under the rug to avoid upsetting advertisers.
Who knows... IF BOL quit being a sponsor here the price of pizza will have to go up another 100 pts.
Greg, do you find a good lawyer good at handling these cases? I really need one too. I appreciate man!
Last edited by HedgeHog; 11-21-11 at 06:58 AM. Reason: spelling
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