[ABEHONEST]

Wow!
New decade, new methods to snatch your billfolds right outta your pocket!
Yes, for example, I BIT, and BIT hard on that "possible" ringer game, Idaho verses Fresno!

Never saw such line movement for some time. Course, when Fresno scored early from the start, I did get that ol' feeling that I'd been had.

This new era of Sportsbooks is becoming deadly game of chance for amateur gamblers. Even the Pros, I'll bet, are struggling?
Everyone must remember one important lesson--and some haven't been convinced yet by the comments they post about their favorite Books-- they are your enemy! A killer enemy, who'll kiss you one minute and then break you in a moments notice, the next.

Please, no more ass-kissing these Books. They really don't deserve the praise. Why? The constant line-changing, the hidden fees, the bs ads, the withdrawal and deposit headaches. I honestly do not believe they have to operate in this hair-brained method in order to win your money. I mean, com'on, that line-changing is utter non-sense. Hell Pinacle will change every 5 seconds with those 1 cents moves. And, 98% of them holding the almost exact lines is ridiculous. Do they not have balls enough to stand on a slightly different line, or an opinion?

I have to believe major changes are way overdue. Hey, we the gamblers, the good, the bad, and even the ugly need a fkn break!

Some majors are "still" using 10 cent lines. Are they crazy? No, just greedy and believe in giving no quarters to beat the hell out you.

Why cannot they all have 5 or 7 cent lines?
Line-changing should not be able to move any closer than one per minute [ preferably two minutes], on any one individual game. They should pay for all withdrawals and deposits! Hey, we're the customers, after all!

Now, the big question for all those confident gamblers found on this site: Are you staying afloat, or, are you getting murdered?
I believe I know the answer? The ugly one!

It's time for some changes, SUCKERS!

[teaserpleaser]

Yes co signed on these degens to stop” ass-kissing ” the books never understood why posters do this.

[BranchDavidian]

It sounds like you consider the book to be your enemy? And you are on a mission to destroy? Well, what happens once your mission is accomplished? How will you collect from your destroyed enemy, and who will you now place bets with? You are in business with your bookie, bud. I like working with a book that I can trust much better than a book that I hate. I actually want my bookie to win from idiots like you so that they can be profitable and pay me when I cash out. I understand that a good bookie actually performs a service for me, and we are both lost without each other.

[BranchDavidian]

Oh yeah, and Abe - since you don't like the way books keep changing their lines, how about opening up your own book to fleece us sheep and then try not changing your lines ---- please. Ooops -wait a sec, I guess I really don't want to deposit with you since you will get destroyed and won't be able to pay your customers anyway! You would not be a very good business partner.

[Hareeba!]

I understand that a good bookie actually performs a service for me, and we are both lost without each other.

That's the bottom line.

Losers just can't understand how it works.

[ABEHONEST]

Hmm, looks like the above statements are coming from parasite Bookies? So, you cannot associate yourselves, mentally, with a typical gambler!
Which, it's obvious, you're certainly not, and you seem to enjoy the hard-ass rules of these Books!

This thread was for the benefit of gamblers, not you two birds.

[john230]

The bottom line is if you do not like the way a book operates do not give them you're money. I agree that many books give the player no advantages like Bodog. However, there are some books that are relatively fair. But it is up to the player to investigate to find out which books give them the best chance of winning. I also agree that it is ridiculous that some books operate the way they do considering they have all the built in advantages.

[BrianLaverty]

Abe really is one of the worst posters on the site..... he doesn't have a damn clue

[BranchDavidian]

Hmm, looks like the above statements are coming from parasite Bookies? So, you cannot associate yourselves, mentally, with a typical gambler!
Which, it's obvious, you're certainly not, and you seem to enjoy the hard-ass rules of these Books!

This thread was for the benefit of gamblers, not you two birds.

I most certainly do not want to associate myself mentally with you - or the "typical gambler" if that is what you are. Doesn't typical gambler stand for "square"? AND, this thread benefits nobody --- it is definitely for the birds. (plus the entertainment value when we all get a good laugh at you!)

[BranchDavidian]

Actually, I'm beginning to think that Abe is a shill for SBR. He comes on here and makes these ridiculous posts just to get people to respond, ala JJgold.

[Kindred]

cut out the bookies and use markets like BetMaker and you won't lose your money to the bookies

[BranchDavidian]

cut out the bookies and use markets like BetMaker and you won't lose your money to the bookies

Just as with exchanges, when you play with a well established bookie, you are not losing your money to the bookie if you are a loser ( as a high percentage of "typical gamblers" are ). YOU are losing your money to the WINNING bettors who picked the right team. The book, your business partner, is taking the money from the losers ( that is you ABE) and sending it on to the winners, and collecting a fee for providing this service to YOU. Can't you figure this out, Abe? The book is your partner, and the other gamblers are who you are competing with. Without a majority of us gamblers losing money, the rest of us that actually have a clue as to what is going on would discover that it is impossible to get paid if nobody loses to the books! Why in the world would you want to destroy your partner?

[ABEHONEST]

You're not speaking to me there Branch-guy, surely?
If I'm not mistaken, SBR attracts mostly gamblers, not Bookies or parasite Bookies like you apparently are?

So, if our average sport's gamblers lose their money, believing they actually have a chance to win against these new generation of Books, who, have EVERYTHING to their advantage, you're okay with that, right?
You see, I'm been around the block enough times with Books to understand and realize that they are, presently, holding too many Aces in their hands, while we, us, or whoever plays against these concrete guys, have little or NO chance with our dealt hand of NO face-cards, meaning the idea of enjoying the sports challenge of trying to pick winners and staying afloat, financially, is becoming an unrealistic affair.

You are apparently a new kid on the block, and have never paid your dues as have our old warrior gamblers, who once had a fair chance of winning a few bucks, say 5, 10, or 25 years ago.
And, like I said, you cannot relate to "us," evidently, because you post like a Book, or a Book's mindset?

So, if you are indeed, a Book-minded fellow, no need for any more of your unrelated posts. [means goodbye]

[BranchDavidian]

You're not speaking to me there Branch-guy, surely?
If I'm not mistaken, SBR attracts mostly gamblers, not Bookies or parasite Bookies like you apparently are?

So, if our average sport's gamblers lose their money, believing they actually have a chance to win against these new generation of Books, who, have EVERYTHING to their advantage, you're okay with that, right?
You see, I'm been around the block enough times with Books to understand and realize that they are, presently, holding too many Aces in their hands, while we, us, or whoever plays against these concrete guys, have little or NO chance with our dealt hand of NO face-cards, meaning the idea of enjoying the sports challenge of trying to pick winners and staying afloat, financially, is becoming an unrealistic affair.
You are apparently a new kid on the block, and have never paid your dues as have our old warrior gamblers, who once had a fair chance of winning a few bucks, say 5, 10, or 25 years ago.
And, like I said, you cannot relate to "us," evidently, because you post like a Book, or a Book's mindset?

So, if you are indeed, a Book-minded fellow, no need for any more of your unrelated posts. [means goodbye]

Apparently you can read, but cannot understand what you read. Yes, I am okay with the majority of sports gamblers losing their money to "the books". This is precisely what must happen if we are to be able to bet on sports as we now do. Exactly what do you think would happen if a majority of sports gamblers were to all of a sudden become winning bettors? Do you think there would be any books around for you to complain about? (I would be willing to bet that if all sportsbettors started winning and put all the books out of business, you would then complain because you had nowhere to bet!) I only hope you continue placing bets that are just as stupid as your posts -- you will help insure that my income continues. Thank you very much. ( By the way, just out of curiosity, since you tried to use a poker analogy, are you any better at poker than you are at sportsbetting? Cause, if not, how about showing your face at the SBR tables? )

[ABEHONEST]

Apparently you can read, but cannot understand what you read. Yes, I am okay with the majority of sports gamblers losing their money to "the books". This is precisely what must happen if we are to be able to bet on sports as we now do. Exactly what do you think would happen if a majority of sports gamblers were to all of a sudden become winning bettors? Do you think there would be any books around for you to complain about? (I would be willing to bet that if all sportsbettors started winning and put all the books out of business, you would then complain because you had nowhere to bet!) I only hope you continue placing bets that are just as stupid as your posts -- you will help insure that my income continues. Thank you very much. ( By the way, just out of curiosity, since you tried to use a poker analogy, are you any better at poker than you are at sportsbetting? Cause, if not, how about showing your face at the SBR tables? )

You make no sense at all, so why would anybody that gambles on sports be interested in your unrelated nonsense?
My thread was meant for SBR gamblers who need to know what they're up against in today's modern world of computer sports gambling.

Why not move along or start your own thread about how great it is for "our" gamblers to lose their asses? DUH!

[BranchDavidian]

You make no sense at all, so why would anybody that gambles on sports be interested in your unrelated nonsense?
My thread was meant for SBR gamblers who need to know what they're up against in today's modern world of computer sports gambling.

Why not move along or start your own thread about how great it is for "our" gamblers to lose their asses? DUH!

Who is this "our"? You got a mouse in your pocket? You seem to be of the opinion that this sportsbetting is a team sport. Does it help you when I win? If you ever pick a winner it certainly does not help any other gambler. Again you state that my posts are unrelated to yours? Your original post stated that the books were your enemy and you wanted to destroy them because they had all the advantages and were not playing fairly with lil ol HonestAbe. My posts have argued that you do not understand the relationship between bookie and bettor. These are totally related, but since you cannot understand the simple concept of the relationship between bettor and book, I doubt that you will understand this relationship either.

[Hareeba!]

Give up BD .. Abe may be honest but he's a clueless loser

[BranchDavidian]

You are absolutely correct. I don't usually get involved like this, but it has been kinda fun. I still believe that Abe is just putting these posts out there because he is bored and enjoys these jousts also.

[ABEHONEST]

That's the bottom line. Losers just can't understand how it works.

Okay big winner Hareeba, what have you done lately that separates the losers from the winners? [Not another Bookie I hope?]
That was the original question I asked on the original thread. All you added was something vague, selfish, and condescending.
That's typical of rookies like you and that other guy, Elmer Fudd.

[Hareeba!]

Okay big winner Hareeba, what have you done lately that separates the losers from the winners? [Not another Bookie I hope?]
That was the original question I asked on the original thread. All you added was something vague, selfish, and condescending.
That's typical of rookies like you and that other guy, Elmer Fudd.

I didn't claim to be a big winner, but I'm far from a "rookie"
Quite ridiculous to call me a bookie
All I've said in this thread is that BD makes a lot of sense in what he's posted and you are making none.
You are simply displaying a loser's attitude.
I suggest you forget about gambling if you can't see the logic in what BD has attempted to convey to you.

[ABEHONEST]

I didn't claim to be a big winner, but I'm far from a "rookie" Quite ridiculous to call me a bookie All I've said in this thread is that BD makes a lot of sense in what he's posted and you are making none. You are simply displaying a loser's attitude. I suggest you forget about gambling if you can't see the logic in what BD has attempted to convey to you.

You don't read too good either, yet you're no loser at sports games? I only suggested you were a bookie. Well, the point I was trying to make--and all I getting so far are sarcastic idiots, it seems--is how extremely tough it is to win at sports gambling in today's market.

You two birds don't qualify because you both have it figured out, by following losers, you turn-up winners? Is that it?
Kindly describe in better detail so us less brainy individuals than you two can have a prayer to hit some big bucks?
Or, take my advice and make your own thread titled "How I beat the Books 101!"

[Hareeba!]

You don't read too good either, yet you're no loser at sports games? I only suggested you were a bookie. Well, the point I was trying to make--and all I getting so far are sarcastic idiots, it seems--is how extremely tough it is to win at sports gambling in today's market.

You two birds don't qualify because you both have it figured out, by following losers, you turn-up winners? Is that it?
Kindly describe in better detail so us less brainy individuals than you two can have a prayer to hit some big bucks?
Or, take my advice and make your own thread titled "How I beat the Books 101!"

Success in any calling requires training and hard work.
Don't expect to just be handed big bucks gambling.

[ABEHONEST]

Success in any calling requires training and hard work. Don't expect to just be handed big bucks gambling.

OH! I get it now.

[scott235]

Yes co signed on these degens to stop” ass-kissing ” the books never understood why posters do this.

The answer to your question is hassle free payouts, esp for "bonus whores". Books refer to this vaguely in their rules and regs as abusing their bonus structure. Shilling is the price you pay for a book to allow you to do this. You bet it works, and brings in a ton of deposits. getting harder and harder for the shills however, most posters have caught on to this hustle.

[cockblocker]

Just as with exchanges, when you play with a well established bookie, you are not losing your money to the bookie if you are a loser ( as a high percentage of "typical gamblers" are ). YOU are losing your money to the WINNING bettors who picked the right team. The book, your business partner, is taking the money from the losers ( that is you ABE) and sending it on to the winners, and collecting a fee for providing this service to YOU. Can't you figure this out, Abe? The book is your partner, and the other gamblers are who you are competing with. Without a majority of us gamblers losing money, the rest of us that actually have a clue as to what is going on would discover that it is impossible to get paid if nobody loses to the books! Why in the world would you want to destroy your partner?

That would be fine and dandy except for the fact if your winning that much the books will limit or give you the boot.

[ABEHONEST]

Not a brilliant piece of analogy, do you think?
Yes, Branch-guy, losing to an exchange, I could agree, but losing to professional Books, no.

Their defensive concrete is almost unpenetrable. And also, they make a fortune, not the measly few betting winners. I estimate only around 7% can survive the season[my guess]?

[BranchDavidian]

That would be fine and dandy except for the fact if your winning that much the books will limit or give you the boot.

Yes, true. Thanks for bringing out a valid point. It is about time a reasonable argument was advanced for Abe's original position that the books have it too much their way. ( My statement spoke of the theory of bookmaking in its simplest form. In actual practice, things get a lot trickier. Books will have lopsided action on each particular game, which, in theory, is supposed to even out over time and leave the book making its juice at least. So, most books, especially the smaller "recreational" ones, have come up with risk management departments that try to make sure that not too much money is leaving the book, by limiting and booting winners. ) I applaud your perceptiveness.