[Rick_UCONN]

Been around here a long time. I've read numerous posts about sports and casinos from all over the web. The time has come the book starts getting what the deserve, and it starts with the casino in these sportsbooks. The casino, several, if not all of them, are rigged without a doubt. For those of you that do not think so, well I suggest you read several of the thousands of threads, comments, and posts in regards to the casinos.

A few years back I got sucked into playing in the casinos after winning some nice cash from the sportsbook. So I was up a few grand and said ah what the hell I will try a few hands of blackjack. Well so happens after several hands a lot of my money was depleted. Sure I should have quit, but I had a plan on how to get my money back. Low and behold that was not possible after looking into the fact the software was rigged. After being dealt several hands of 18, 19, and 20 and then the dealer turns right around and draws one number higher to beat me by one. Ok it happens you may say, but after countless hands it's not going to happen every time. Also what are the odds of a player landing on blackjack, and the dealer as well? Once yes, but say 6-8 times out of 250 hands? Right.

I also suspect that the software knows the amounts you are betting. So if I am playing $1, $5, or even $10 hands, the system will allow you to win more hands to trick you into playing for bigger money. So the minute I start it up to say $25, $50, or $100 hands, I start losing big time. I'm talking 7 out of 10 hands. The system will allow you to win one or two hands, then lose three or four, win one, lose three, and so on till you are really in the shitter.

I have conducted numerous tests at various sites the last six to eight months and my findings are just staggering. So with that, at every book that i have played at with these so called legal casinos, I will be asking for them to refund my money for the losses in the rigged casinos. We all know what the answer will be. They will simply laugh at me. Which I honestly hope they do. I am offering them a chance to come clean and give me my money back. If not, I will be conducting a full ********** on all of my credit and debit cards. Every penny that has gone into the book will be given back to me by the bank. The funds will be pulled from the sportsbook bank, and they will be at lost. It's time they are scammed and not the player.

More to come.......

[Peep]

Well, look at the bright side.

At least you now know what is going on. The rest of us poor saps still believe in the integrity of the system....

[Rick_UCONN]

Peep,

The integrity went out the window a long time ago. Some books, a very small, and I mean less than a handful will still play and run the system by the Vegas odds. However since there are no REAL laws in place that protects the player from getting scammed by such as never getting paid, rigged software, and etc, then the books can do as they want or please.

For example. Player one plays at Sportsbook A. Deposits $1000 in the book with good faith they will get paid and the sportsbook will be ran like a legitimate company should. Player makes several bets, gets the total balance up to say $3500 after playing for two months. Decides they want a withdraw. After weeks and months of hassel the player is not able to get anything resolved from the book. Still has not received a sinlge penny from the book regardless of the profit made or the original deposit. As of now the player is out of their $1000 deposit and the $2500 they have made. So what is the next course of action? The book could say piss off and keep your money. What recourse does the player have? They can't go to their local police and say Sportsbook A is screwing me over right? So more the less the player is shit out of luck.

The same can be said with the casino side. If the software so happens to be rigged, what action or defense the player have? Same as above, they can't go to the police or their government and say Sportsbook A is rigging their software and taking people's money. I suppose the player could take matters into their own hands and fly down to the sportsbook and deal with it themselves right? LOL.

The only way I play at any book is if they accept ************. If for some reason anything were to happen, I can at least resort back to my credit card company and have them investigate the claim.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Makes no sense - you're seeing patterns where none exist. You suspect cheating because the house is beating you by one. In that case, why didn't the casino just bust you? Or give you 17? You're essentially implying that your cards aren't fixed, but the house's are.

Truth is, casinos don't need to fix, as they basically have a license to print money.

It's also incredibly easy to spot fixed casinos with software analysis of hands.

[Rick_UCONN]

Makes no sense - you're seeing patterns where none exist. You suspect cheating because the house is beating you by one. In that case, why didn't the casino just bust you? Or give you 17? You're essentially implying that your cards aren't fixed, but the house's are.

Truth is, casinos don't need to fix, as they basically have a license to print money.

It's also incredibly easy to spot fixed casinos with software analysis of hands.

What do you not understand? Sure I see patterns. After about 2500 documented hands there is easily a pattern. It's not always the house beating me by one number higher than what the player is holding. If I get more time later I will go more into detail. Read my post again.

[fiveteamer]

[Peep]

What patterns do you see Rick?

Ganchrow is VERY anxious to test them. There is a similiar thread going on now in the Technical Betting section of the forum.

The software is SUPPOSED to be set up so every bet is an independent event.

[Dark Horse]

So with that, at every book that i have played at with these so called legal casinos, I will be asking for them to refund my money for the losses in the rigged casinos. We all know what the answer will be. They will simply laugh at me. Which I honestly hope they do. I am offering them a chance to come clean and give me my money back. If not, I will be conducting a full ********** on all of my credit and debit cards. Every penny that has gone into the book will be given back to me by the bank. The funds will be pulled from the sportsbook bank, and they will be at lost. It's time they are scammed and not the player.

If you don't want to lose money, don't gamble. Save us from the self-righteous crap behind your baby tears.

Unless you can make a real scientific case, that is.

[ringemup]

Theres no doubt bout rigged casinos in online gaming. one casino i played in for bout 3 days in the BJ format n i said **** it i aint dealin with this BS anymore. out o hands i played over 50 dollars i prob won like 3 outta 14 hands. i ended up disabling mi casino acct there so i couldnt lose mi money to that shit. another casino i played in it was obvious the softwares rigged cuz u notice after playing a while that ur getting the same hands for delaer n urself repeatedly, not to mention many 21s after getting face-face combinations that youre tricked into thinking uve won n u kno its not jus random cuz it repeats this pattern over n over eventually. mi advice probably be don even play their casino, its almos impossible to win in there consistently. Plus casino employees in these books r full o shit n stuck up, not worth ur time dealin with them. GL

[cobra_king]

Someone else justifying their reason for being a STIFF!

[HeeeHAWWWW]

What do you not understand? Sure I see patterns. After about 2500 documented hands there is easily a pattern. It's not always the house beating me by one number higher than what the player is holding. If I get more time later I will go more into detail. Read my post again.

No need. You're imagining it, to justify your losses. Seen it a million times before.

It's this simple: don't play a game where you know the house has a huge fixed advantage against you. It's simply illogical, you might as well burn your money.

[Stumpage]

Why go to the bother and potential risk of rigging a casino when so many gamblers couldn't turn a profit to save their lives? Isn't the accepted norm that the great majority, I believe somewhere in the 90-95% zone, lose at sports betting?

Now, I'm not speaking of this site of course, as the vast majority of gamblers at SBR are self-professed sharps and self-acknowledged expert handicappers (Just read the Forum threads), but in general, everybody else sucks.....

[Totolover1409]

Yo Rick. I understand 100% where you are coming from because I've been in the same position. From what I've heard, many of these gambling websites do not have a complete random number generator. Many sites claim to have them but there have been thousands and thousands of compliment. This is primarily the reason why I've stopped playin blackjack and shit online.

[Peep]

What are the specific patterns Rick?

Do you think once you know them, you can win?

[homerbush]

I don't know how many are rigged but I do think you go on crazier streaks both winning and losing than in real life but this could also be contributed to the fact you are playing more hands an hour. Trust me I have had big blackjack losses online but on the flip side I have had big wins. If they are rigged I will never understand why because they already have the advantage. I don't think you are going to beat them trying to figure out the patterns. The only way to beat online blackjack is find the games with the best rules as far as splitting and doubling down goes and bonus whore at them and them move on once you clear you bonus. This can be decently profitable if you stick to straight math plays and get a decent bonus.

[St.Aquinas]

Been around here a long time. I've read numerous posts about sports and casinos from all over the web. The time has come the book starts getting what the deserve, and it starts with the casino in these sportsbooks. The casino, several, if not all of them, are rigged without a doubt. For those of you that do not think so, well I suggest you read several of the thousands of threads, comments, and posts in regards to the casinos.

A few years back I got sucked into playing in the casinos after winning some nice cash from the sportsbook. So I was up a few grand and said ah what the hell I will try a few hands of blackjack. Well so happens after several hands a lot of my money was depleted. Sure I should have quit, but I had a plan on how to get my money back. Low and behold that was not possible after looking into the fact the software was rigged. After being dealt several hands of 18, 19, and 20 and then the dealer turns right around and draws one number higher to beat me by one. Ok it happens you may say, but after countless hands it's not going to happen every time. Also what are the odds of a player landing on blackjack, and the dealer as well? Once yes, but say 6-8 times out of 250 hands? Right.

I also suspect that the software knows the amounts you are betting. So if I am playing $1, $5, or even $10 hands, the system will allow you to win more hands to trick you into playing for bigger money. So the minute I start it up to say $25, $50, or $100 hands, I start losing big time. I'm talking 7 out of 10 hands. The system will allow you to win one or two hands, then lose three or four, win one, lose three, and so on till you are really in the shitter.

I have conducted numerous tests at various sites the last six to eight months and my findings are just staggering. So with that, at every book that i have played at with these so called legal casinos, I will be asking for them to refund my money for the losses in the rigged casinos. We all know what the answer will be. They will simply laugh at me. Which I honestly hope they do. I am offering them a chance to come clean and give me my money back. If not, I will be conducting a full ********** on all of my credit and debit cards. Every penny that has gone into the book will be given back to me by the bank. The funds will be pulled from the sportsbook bank, and they will be at lost. It's time they are scammed and not the player.

More to come.......

Have you done the same so called test in a "physical" casino Rick?

I doubt it...this sounds like another dirt bag stiff stealing from a another sportsbook. The house has an edge smart guy, which moves in any direction year after year, but hovers around 2% (in black jack).

How many hands did you win, push, and lose? How many black jacks did you hit vs. the books casino? Give us the percentages and the bet sizes so we can see your full of shit.

Show us before you try and justify a ********** to pay for the Xmas presents that you now cant afford because you pissed it down the drain.

[j0esilly]

Been around here a long time. I've read numerous posts about sports and casinos from all over the web. The time has come the book starts getting what the deserve, and it starts with the casino in these sportsbooks. The casino, several, if not all of them, are rigged without a doubt. For those of you that do not think so, well I suggest you read several of the thousands of threads, comments, and posts in regards to the casinos.

A few years back I got sucked into playing in the casinos after winning some nice cash from the sportsbook. So I was up a few grand and said ah what the hell I will try a few hands of blackjack. Well so happens after several hands a lot of my money was depleted. Sure I should have quit, but I had a plan on how to get my money back. Low and behold that was not possible after looking into the fact the software was rigged. After being dealt several hands of 18, 19, and 20 and then the dealer turns right around and draws one number higher to beat me by one. Ok it happens you may say, but after countless hands it's not going to happen every time. Also what are the odds of a player landing on blackjack, and the dealer as well? Once yes, but say 6-8 times out of 250 hands? Right.

I also suspect that the software knows the amounts you are betting. So if I am playing $1, $5, or even $10 hands, the system will allow you to win more hands to trick you into playing for bigger money. So the minute I start it up to say $25, $50, or $100 hands, I start losing big time. I'm talking 7 out of 10 hands. The system will allow you to win one or two hands, then lose three or four, win one, lose three, and so on till you are really in the shitter.

I have conducted numerous tests at various sites the last six to eight months and my findings are just staggering. So with that, at every book that i have played at with these so called legal casinos, I will be asking for them to refund my money for the losses in the rigged casinos. We all know what the answer will be. They will simply laugh at me. Which I honestly hope they do. I am offering them a chance to come clean and give me my money back. If not, I will be conducting a full ********** on all of my credit and debit cards. Every penny that has gone into the book will be given back to me by the bank. The funds will be pulled from the sportsbook bank, and they will be at lost. It's time they are scammed and not the player.

More to come.......

Rick,

I agree with you 110% The systems are both rigged and have to know when you are playing larger hand amounts. The dealer also seems to pull to 21 way too many times! Or how about when you have a double down hand when the dealers up card happens to be a 5 or 6... sucks when the dealers hole card is not that face you thought it was, way too often I have seen where the dealer has a 5 showing and hole card turns out to be a 5 or 6 and they pull to 20 or 21. Or how about when you watch the dealer get 3 blackjacks in a row and think it is not possible to get another one and they get 3 more (6 in a row)! This is why most of these sorry books now have casinos and this is how most of them pay their bills. Sad to say but very true...

[Rick_UCONN]

Well I just took the time to read all of the posts in regards to this topic. I love the guys that are responding or referring to me as a stiff. Seriously that is funny. Tell me, how am I stiff when the sportsbook is the one to stiff me? How is any player a stiff when the sportsbook does not pay them? Exactly. Sportsbooks stiff players, so why can't the favor be returned if they are willing to do it? Especially when it comes to having a rigged casino. You can't tell me all if not most of you have played a few hands in a sportsbook casino and the hands that are dealt are a little bit bogus? Some of you may have not as you have only played a limited number of hands.

Peep - Interesting point you mentioned about each handing being dealt is supposed to be random and from a new deck of cards each time the hands are dealt. Noway that is the case for any book. I would be willing to bet my life savings they are not generated this way.

[Rick_UCONN]

No need. You're imagining it, to justify your losses. Seen it a million times before.

It's this simple: don't play a game where you know the house has a huge fixed advantage against you. It's simply illogical, you might as well burn your money.

I am not imagining anything. I also do not need to justify anything as well. I had a theory and my theory turned out to be correct. I took the time and invested several thousands of dollars to prove my theory, so now the books will pay that I know that are dealing rigged casinos. Plain and simple. If they are willing to play with fire, then I shall join them and pay a little return in my favor instead of the book.

[Rick_UCONN]

If you don't want to lose money, don't gamble. Save us from the self-righteous crap behind your baby tears.

Unless you can make a real scientific case, that is.

I've already proved my case and my notes show it. It would take hours to post all of the information I have and convert it to online from notes.

"Save us from the self-righteous crap behind your baby tears."

Ha ok. Seriously grow up with this comment. I am not hear asking anything for you nor do I expect you to feel sorry for me. I am just trying to prove a point and make a case. 95% of the books are out there to scam the players and it's time the players fought back.

[purecarnagge]

I am not imagining anything. I also do not need to justify anything as well. I had a theory and my theory turned out to be correct. I took the time and invested several thousands of dollars to prove my theory, so now the books will pay that I know that are dealing rigged casinos. Plain and simple. If they are willing to play with fire, then I shall join them and pay a little return in my favor instead of the book.

I feel bad for your credit score

[Rick_UCONN]

Yo Rick. I understand 100% where you are coming from because I've been in the same position. From what I've heard, many of these gambling websites do not have a complete random number generator. Many sites claim to have them but there have been thousands and thousands of compliment. This is primarily the reason why I've stopped playin blackjack and shit online.

Excellent post and thank you for sharing your thoughts. And yes you correct about the books stating they use a random number generator, they do not. About .02% of the books actually use it and have it setup correctly. Indeed stay away from the casinos at most of the books. I would suggest when signing up at any new book to have the casino option disabled.

[Rick_UCONN]

Have you done the same so called test in a "physical" casino Rick?

I doubt it...this sounds like another dirt bag stiff stealing from a another sportsbook. The house has an edge smart guy, which moves in any direction year after year, but hovers around 2% (in black jack).

How many hands did you win, push, and lose? How many black jacks did you hit vs. the books casino? Give us the percentages and the bet sizes so we can see your full of shit.

Show us before you try and justify a ********** to pay for the Xmas presents that you now cant afford because you pissed it down the drain.

As for live tests conducted in the casino, no. Because they do not use software to conduct the games. The software versus the live person dealing are two totally different things. Not even close so by doing a live test, it would be pointless. To add to the fact, yes I have played numerous hands of live blackjack at several casinos. I can say from what I have seen in live casinos and online, the events that I have seen online would never happen in a million hands when facing a live dealer.

As I stated a few minutes ago it would take several hours to covert all of my notes from paper to online. I actually plan to digitize everything I do have. I also have every single hand documented that was played online from the amount that was won, lost, or pushed as well as the cards that were dealt. Tons of information in there as well.

I doubt it...this sounds like another dirt bag stiff stealing from a another sportsbook

Yep your right. You know all about me. Try reading a few of the posts I just made before making anymore ignorant comments in my thread. I am not here to bash you and I certainly do not need your feedback or input unless it will be useful to me. Thanks again.

Show us before you try and justify a ********** to pay for the Xmas presents that you now cant afford because you pissed it down the drain.

Too funny, I actually chuckled a little after reading this comment. I think I have more than enough to buy all the gifts I need for my family and friends. Again keep your personal comments to yourself if you would.

[Rick_UCONN]

Rick,

I agree with you 110% The systems are both rigged and have to know when you are playing larger hand amounts. The dealer also seems to pull to 21 way too many times! Or how about when you have a double down hand when the dealers up card happens to be a 5 or 6... sucks when the dealers hole card is not that face you thought it was, way too often I have seen where the dealer has a 5 showing and hole card turns out to be a 5 or 6 and they pull to 20 or 21. Or how about when you watch the dealer get 3 blackjacks in a row and think it is not possible to get another one and they get 3 more (6 in a row)! This is why most of these sorry books now have casinos and this is how most of them pay their bills. Sad to say but very true...

Thank you for the comments. Indeed I have seen the house land blackjack at least three times in a row. Not sure about six. I find that highly unlikely and would love to calculate the probability of that actually happening at a live table. The numbers would astounding I believe.

[Rick_UCONN]

I feel bad for your credit score

What does this have to do with my credit score? It sounds like you are not very aware of how the banking and credit card companies work. By putting in a dispute with your bank or credit card company, it has no bearing or affect on your credit score. If you do not believe, pick up the phone and dial the 800 number on the back of your card and ask the customer service rep that answers the phone. Better yet do a little research online as well.

I can also say it has no affect on it as I watch and monitor my credit score, file, accounts, and activity each month. So I know exactly who is looking at it and what is going on with it. My credit is almost perfect and my score, well it will just get me about any loan I needed or wanted with the proper documentation.

[Dark Horse]

I've already proved my case and my notes show it. It would take hours to post all of the information I have and convert it to online from notes.

I am just trying to prove a point and make a case. 95% of the books are out there to scam the players and it's time the players fought back.

You come here to present your 'social' cause to benefit .. you. How convenient #1

And you claim to have proof. But you can't present that proof because it would take too much time. How convenient #2.

If you can prove your case, great. Let's hear it. How hard could it be with '95% of books' trying to cheat you? If you can't prove it, the only alternative is that you're the one who's cheating.

Unlike yours, my proof doesn't take much time at all. All but one type of gambler would have stopped playing the moment he realized he was being cheated. But you went on and on... Why? To make your case for the benefit of mankind?

The fact that you didn't stop, when you knew that you should have, is the real sticking point. Because what does that make you?

My guess? It isn't 'time for books to give back to players'. It is time for you to seek help.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Thank you for the comments. Indeed I have seen the house land blackjack at least three times in a row. Not sure about six. I find that highly unlikely and would love to calculate the probability of that actually happening at a live table. The numbers would astounding I believe.

Nothing unusual with that at all. I've had 3 in a row myself, and that was in a real card game.

Incidentally, if you don't know enough about stats to calculate the odds of that, you have no way to analyse the authenticity of a casino.

[MTek]

I had never played an online casino until I received a comp from my sportsbook, after dozens of hands of blackjack 1 thing became amazingly predictable.

If your "doubled" your third card.... 100% of the time ... the card was a smaller number, 3 or 4 .. if I selected to "hit" instead, I inevidably got a higher card.

The dealer did seem to get a large number of blackjacks also

After my rollover amount was hit I walked with 1/2 my original comp.

Its a nice place to visit...but I wouldnt wanna live there !!!

[Dark Horse]

To Rick Uconn. How many:
- books?
- ************?
- months/years of online casino play?
- dollars you plan to charge back?

[Santo]

You lost all credibility at the point you announced your sample was 2500 hands, presumably over several books. Try 250,000 or preferably more then come back to us.

[durito]

What does this have to do with my credit score? It sounds like you are not very aware of how the banking and credit card companies work. By putting in a dispute with your bank or credit card company, it has no bearing or affect on your credit score. If you do not believe, pick up the phone and dial the 800 number on the back of your card and ask the customer service rep that answers the phone. Better yet do a little research online as well.

I can also say it has no affect on it as I watch and monitor my credit score, file, accounts, and activity each month. So I know exactly who is looking at it and what is going on with it. My credit is almost perfect and my score, well it will just get me about any loan I needed or wanted with the proper documentation.

I browsed most of this thread, and i probably should have read the whole thing.

But, I will tell you this: Of anywhere you go on the internet, you've found the best place place to get an honest answer. The people answering you are telling it straight. There is no reason for most books to cheat on any casino games. If you have data that suggests otherwise, send it to Ganchrow, you will get an honest, legitimate analysis. I promise.

[Rick_UCONN]

[SBRFORUM][/SBRFORUM]

You lost all credibility at the point you announced your sample was 2500 hands, presumably over several books. Try 250,000 or preferably more then come back to us.

Not at all. 2500 hands at three books was more than enough to prove my point. Also after doing more research it's quite obvious there are chances a pattern could be detected and the so called random card generator could be false as well. This just proves to me even more that the casinos online are rigged or have something set in place. Everyone always says the "house" has the edge over the player, online, indeed they do. I would love for a sportsbook to let me have access to the software so I could look at the coding. If they were truly legit, then they would have no problems providing me a copy as long as I were not to use it for any other reason.

[durito]

Send the data to Ganchrow.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Not at all. 2500 hands at three books was more than enough to prove my point.

You haven't made any point, just a series of claims. Come back when you understand basic statistics.

[JC]

What was your total handle, and what was your total loss?