[SBR_John]

No one wants to silence anyone on the Easystreet $46,000 stiff job.

Dear Cory, yes you were the victim of the $46,000 stiff job. However this thread is for those who want to discuss the issue. Only post in this thread to discuss the subject not to bump the thread.(all others will be deleted)

I have a question for the pro scam group; if this case comes up again at say Sportsbook.com and a player, lets call him Cory, deposited 7 times via ** and played video poker for weeks losing and redepositing 7 times and then went on a roll and won ohhh say $46,000 BUT it was discovered that he had a disagreement with BetCris and charged back $500 a couple of years earlier would you vote to pay him or stiff him?

[taxer]

Pay the client.

Unless the ********** happened within the same group of players then its BS.

Its like book A saying we wont give you a bonus because you beat book B that we have nothing to do with 2 years ago.

I feel bad for the guy and all the trolls from EZ that always come around defending why the book stole from the client getting freeplays from the book to try and stand up for them when in reality this guy got stiffed.

[pokerplayer22]

IF he did in fact do all those chargebacks (and thats a big IF) then i dont feel bad for Cory. It still, however, doesnt give EZstreet any right whatsoever to blatantly steal his money. He made a deposit with them and lost, made another one and lost again and so on and so on and they never complained when he was dumping money to them. I also think that people should not forget that Jazz was once a solid B book before Alex Powers got ahold of them and sent them down the toilet.

Ezstreet (Powers) is doing the exact same thing he did at Jazz. Issue 3 figure w-u and m-g payouts for the most part in a timely manner but no bank wires, checks, etc for higher limits. Its the exact same trend happening now that we saw a few years ago. One of these days EZstreet will be exactly how Jazz is now. Only time will tell if Im right.

[HedgeHog]

I'm confused: Who are the pro-scammers and who are the anti-scammers, John? I am against Cory who is, allegedly, a serial scammer. That would put me in the anti-scammer camp....right???

[SBR_John]

The ironic thing is when this case broke I said that if the player had a history of chargebacks and was depositing in a similar way that it is reasonable to suspect he would of charged back had he lost and therefore the book would be entitled to relief up to 100% of the winnings depending on the circumstances. relevant circumstances would be how long was the player a client, was this a redeposit and other factors. The Rx even quoted me as they were crusading on the ********** angle. THEN the news broke this was a 7 redeposit cash player and that argument was canned and the new reason to stiff the player was that he used a bot and "overwhelmed the random number generator". Another THEN, then the software company examined the play logs and determined there was no cheating and no bot play.

There are two kinds of books basically; one that looks at every possible way to screw big winners and those that throw big winners a party and use the positive PR. In EZ's case they were bent from the get go to save $46k and they went through excuse after excuse as previous excuses unraveled.

[HedgeHog]

I never had an issue with Justin7's Video, extremely well done IMO. What followed is something no one can comprehend. To turn that awesome thread over to an alleged scammer/proven spammer was pathetic--and had no place in the S & I Forum (Players Talk material for sure). To let that spamfest continue for months and use J7's Video as it's center piece was pathetic. It reaked of an obvious agenda.

[taxer]

Ironically that 46k came out costing them their name and business and now are another scam shop with a big D waiting to happen.

This guy probably would have lost it all back ..

[relaaxx]

pay the man - it's such a stupid arguement that because someone may have or actually scammed 1 book, that another totally different book has a right to use that information if it is true or not against the player in any way. and in the case with cory and easystreet, 1st they tried to lie about the facts and when that did not work, this crap about cory being a scammer was good enough for them in thier decision to steal his money. and to make it worst, some people agree with thier reasoning and backed them up on ripping off a fellow player and sbr forum poster of 46k. how sad is that.

[HedgeHog]

There are two kinds of books basically; one that looks at every possible way to screw big winners and those that throw big winners a party and use the positive PR. In EZ's case they were bent from the get go to save $46k and they went through excuse after excuse as previous excuses unraveled.

Didn't EZ throw a party for Cory? If I remember correctly, 5 winners got paid.

[shari91]

I never had an issue with Justin7's Video, extremely well done IMO. What followed is something no one can comprehend. To turn that awesome thread over to an alleged scammer/proven spammer was pathetic--and had no place in the S & I Forum (Players Talk material for sure). To let that spamfest continue for months and use J7's Video as it's center piece was pathetic. It reaked of an obvious agenda.

I know it'll sound shallow coming from me but there really wasn't an agenda here. A person who got stiffed was offered a platform to express their dismay... just like everyone else is when they come to SBR with a complaint. One of the big differences here though is that some of the loudest people who would be the "bumping Cory" type are usually found to be a bit dodgy so they slink away or else the book makes good. And in a further few unfortunate cases, posters just start to give up. I've heard you mention Cascade a few times as in "why isn't there a thread about Cascade anymore?" Have you started one? Have you actively posted in it to say how pissed you are in 2011? They stole substantial amounts of money from you and many others yet you're spending your time defending a book who gave you free $800 payouts. I understand part of that but not all of it. My effort would be spent on getting my cash back. Not trying to prove some random book paid out $800 a week or whatever it was.

In this case though, people are always going to be split and we won't always know why. Some have agendas, some just like jumping on bandwagons, and some like me have read (sometimes been forced to read) every post about this stuff and just think the whole situation is crap. I despise scammers. Anyone who has even logged in to their SBR account at their friend's house innocently knows how I jump on someone who even appears to be doing something wrong. But EZ didn't say this was the reason for holding back his cash. They've never said "Cory is a scammer at xxxx book so we're going to fok him over". And no one's ever shown me proof he is. Instead they skated and skirted and brought in the "expert" and that I can't side with at all.

[sharpcat]

I would have been content with Cory's stupid spam thread in players talk or the private zone and he could have bumped it to his hearts desire, the S&I sub-forum like the think tank is a more mature audience and someone bumping threads copy & paste style 15 times a day is childish garbage and offers zero benefit to those coming here looking for info.

Shari I can assure you that if the S&I sub-forum consisted of 30 spam threads being bumped every hour from every disgruntled player that felt he was cheated by a book SBR would have 1/100th the amount of traffic. Nobody cares to read that crap.

[HedgeHog]

Shari:

You're certainly NOT shallow. I actually respect what you did today, closing the ugliest spam thread ever in the S & I Forum. Justin 7 basically abandoned the thread except for handing out dozens of infractions for the mess he allowed to continue. Billy D and SBR John both indicated the thread should be closed, but couldn't ante up a nut each to have the balls to get it done (That is why I suspect an ulterior motive here). You, however, had the common sense to say enough. I applaud that.

I have never supported EZ's position in the Cory case, instead trying to keep an open mind. I was playing at EZ and got caught in the middle when all this broke, then made the mistake of reporting my payout experience. Recently I showed other SBR posters reporting payouts, approximately 30 by my count now. And for that I'm labeled a shill. The facts speak for themselves, EZ has paid every SBR poster I've uncovered except Cory. Yet he's been allowed to spam the board daily with the same messages--some of which were outright lies (ie EZ is broke and cannot pay). Sure he has a right to post about his horrible experience, but he wasn't putting any new info out there--just bumping and spamming. If there wasn't an SBR agenda then I'm lost for an explanation of why that garbage was allowed to continue for so long.

As far as starting my own thread about Cascade or Sportsbook.com, it's been done to death already--no new info to report. Further I don't think it would be proper to expose this specialized forum to more spam threads. It's not what the S & I Forum was created for and frankly what did it get Cory?

Thank you again, sincerely.

[shari91]

Shari I can assure you that if the S&I sub-forum consisted of 30 spam threads being bumped every hour from every disgruntled player that felt he was cheated by a book SBR would have 1/100th the amount of traffic. Nobody cares to read that crap.

I don't know. A few of the Bodog and 5Dimes threads have been the same until the player was either found to be maybe not the most clean - with proof - or they settled. There are a still a few disgruntled people and they sporadically bump threads. But no one is telling them when or what to say other than the same rules that applied to you guys: No accusations without proof. And no one might care to read what Cory posted, yet people kept opening the thread. You did each time you checked in there as did several others. As well as many more who never bothered to post daily, including new people to the forum. Everyone is afforded the same platform as long as they're not outright scammers ala the poster asking about chargebacks and then voila, he charged back. But again, most people eventually stop. Would you keep bumping a thread after there's been proof you scammed? Of course not. But there hasn't been in this case...

The simple fact is that if it were someone like me who had been stiffed for 46k, everyone would be crying foul and no one would be complaining if I were still livid however many months later - other than those directly affiliated with the book. But for some reason, a few people are willing to be angry at this poster and we've still yet to see proof he's a scammer. And even if he were, he couldn't possibly have chargebacked this book. Even worse, they never even mentioned that until their initial bot claims didn't pass the smell test.

And to me personally (considering I work here and this seems to happen when I'm around) the worst of all: You don't need 5+ accounts (and attempt to make more yesterday) to prove your case if you're right. Sit in here, give your FACTS as the GM of the book and let us dissect them as we do with any other S&I case. Sharpie and I were in a 5Dimes thread yesterday with Tony's extended chat, trying to figure out what the f was going on. We had Tony's words, under his own name, so we could at least attribute stuff properly and attempt to decipher it together. That didn't happen here.

You guys may not like Cory the spammer or Cory the supposed scammer but if you're hellbent on the scammer part, you better start checking yourselves on many of the long timers who post in S&I who multi-account, beard, bonus whore, steam chase, nail cp's and hope the book doesn't notice, etc... Books call them scammers constantly, and sometimes not very nicely when they're booted from said books.

[pokernut9999]

All gamblers are scammers

[HedgeHog]

All gamblers are scammers

Me too, according to Shari's definition anyway. Apparently I'm a bonus whore, accepting bonuses--many of which are extended by SBR sponsors (hope she isn't telling us to stop playing at these Books). I bet same game parlays (side with total), technically correlated by definition--despite being accepted to some level by all Books. And I make no excuses for jumping on a stale line--thus a steam chaser on occasion.

For the record--us "bonus whores" earn it via the rollover. They have this thing called vigorish (juice), that is supposed to offset the "free" money and then some in the Book's favor.

[sharpcat]

Come on Shari, really?
I thought you were above the typical chat forum technique of nitpicking posts and using them as a way to paint a false image of a poster.
I clearly stated at the beginning of that thread to the OP that if the plays were not 100% correlated and the software accepted it than the wagers should stand. I am sorry if BTH misled me to believe that his plays were possibly not 100% correlated like they were but I clearly stated at the start of the thread that 100% correlation was not cool.

Justin7 even very openly agrees with my stance on that issue when it does not involve a site sponsor.

There are CPs, and then there are CPs.

If you parlay Pitt -3.5 with Pit ML -170, that's a foul regardless of what the software or rules permit. Anytime there is a 100% correlation one way, there is a problem. The remedy is to void the correlated leg (Pit ML in that case).

But OSU -44 / ov 48.5? If it takes it, it's fair. And please, don't have rules that say one thing, and software that allows "illegal bets".

I don't see why SBR's little baby boy 5dimes is exempt from this but Justin7 even agrees with my stance on that. In the quote above Justin7 goes a far as to sy that OSU -44/ ov 48.5 (a 90%+ correlation) is fair.

[shari91]

Come on Shari, really? I thought you were above the typical chat forum technique of nitpicking posts and using them as a way to paint a false image of a poster. I clearly stated at the beginning of that thread to the OP that if the plays were not 100% correlated and the software accepted it than the wagers should stand. I am sorry if BTH misled me to believe that his plays were possibly not 100% correlated like they were but I clearly stated at the start of the thread that 100% correlation was not cool. Justin7 even very openly agrees with my stance on that issue when it does not involve a site sponsor. I don't see why SBR's little baby boy 5dimes is exempt from this but Justin7 even agrees with my stance on that. In the quote above Justin7 goes a far as to sy that OSU -44/ ov 48.5 (a 90%+ correlation) is fair.

Hedge: No. If that were the universal standard at SBR of what a scammer is, there wouldn't be many of us left. And that's my point.

Sharpie: Also no. Either I didn't explain myself properly or you misunderstood. My point was that we had words from the GM of the book to go on. You and I both had read them and really we were the main ones in the thread trying to decipher them other than the OP. But at least we had his words. His name, his statements. There have been 200+ posts made in the old thread that weren't attributed properly and maybe some of that info would've been looked at differently if the person in question disclosed where it was coming from. I wasn't negatively reflecting on you with my post - I was trying to make the point that at least we could say "tony offered this" "tony said that" in that thread yesterday. Much different than 5 accounts not owning up to who they actually were. That doesn't help those of us who just want to know the truth and see the right thing done by everyone.

[SBR_John]

Didn't EZ throw a party for Cory? If I remember correctly, 5 winners got paid.

LOL, good one.

[HedgeHog]

Has anyone contacted Cory. That thread was his life the past half year and I'm fearing the worst.

[quagmire]

ez lied about everything and wanted cory to fly to costa rica to take a lie detector, they had no intention of ever paying even though they kept accepting his cash.
hh talks about sbrs agenda but you have posted more than anyone except cory on the situation and reading your lies about you "never supported ez" and "keeping an open mind" is hilarious, do you even read what you post.....sharpcat isnt even worth talking to all you have to do is read one of his posts and its clear hes a shmuck....hh you are lost on this matter but sharpcat is on another planet.
hopefully justice will be served and cory gets ez shutdown so they cant rob anyone again. cory has hurt their business with his posts and he should be allowed to warn others about what could happen to them.
they stole 46k from him, what would you do if it was you?? he posted to warn others and to cost ez business and he is now suing them, good for him for not quiting..
these 2 guys complain but they spammed just as cory did and if you dont want to read it dont open the thread but some people just need to complain

[xstud]

Ghost,

With all due respect, hate Easystreet and wish they go under every single day.. more power to you. Clearly 54 posts and all of them about this book? Before you go on harping and giving praise to Cory. If you are supporting his own agenda think for a moment..

He is taking an offshore sportsbook to court. Which gives this industry even more exposure that it does not need.
He has constantly threatened and posted government officials names. It is common knowledge that processors are shared in this industry and do we really need it to become even more difficult to deposit into books in general?

To spam and kick and scream in a forum is one thing. To call the offices of easystreet daily requesting a payout is ok too. But to attempt to shine such a bright light on this industry and potentially ruin methods of deposits for what? 46k that is long gone and will not be paid.. but hey you may get an abandoned domain at best and maybe a dying forum.

We have been told for months that Easystreet would be shut down. We have been promised and heckled. It's still operating. Like always.. play there if you want to.. if not plenty of other choices exist that are probably better. I like a few others have personally played there.. the majority of posters who are first to troll or bash have not played there and are either ghosts or have too much time on their hands I guess?

The age old argument went from "They don't pay" to "They only pay small winners" to "You may not get paid if you win a large amount." To be honest I don't think there is a book out there where I would feel "comfortable" with having 20k in if I was ever that lucky.

Also, I would like to know how to sign up to be a shill and receive 25 dollar freeplays like everyone has suggested. I mean HH must have about 5k in freeplays right?

[quagmire]

im no ghost annd stop whining about hes shedding light on offshore books and hes the reason its harder to deposit boo-hoo. I dont have any problems and i've been in business for close to 20 years. let me do you a favor FIND A LOCAL and you wont have to worry about any of this.
im not here to praise cory im here to bash a pathetic sham of a book that robbed a customer.

you will not find 1 person in this business that agrees with what ez did, every legit book either wouldn't have let him play from the beginning or pay the man his winnings and then cut his account.....
no book would accept his money and then not payout, only a pathetic scam book would run their business that way.

they accepted 7 separate payments from cory and when cory finally hit they didnt pay him, how can you defend that??? hh, xsud tell us how thats acceptable...shmuckcat need not reply because there is no hope for you.

[HedgeHog]

hh talks about sbrs agenda but you have posted more than anyone except cory on the situation and reading your lies about you "never supported ez" and "keeping an open mind" is hilarious, do you even read what you post.....sharpcat isnt even worth talking to all you have to do is read one of his posts and its clear hes a shmuck....hh you are lost on this matter but sharpcat is on another planet.

Nice job of clipping my quote to suit your purpose, Quackmore. I stated that I never supported EZ's position concerning Cory. Obviously I provided supporting conclusive evidence that EZ does in fact pay-- about 30 different SBR posters confirming payment now.

As far as keeping an open mind, I think I have. I disagree with the cloak and dagger way RX decided the case. The proof was not conclusive as they presented it. Doesn't make Cory innocent, just not proven guilty. I also disagree with SBR allowing a scamster/spamster to repeat lie after lie for 5 months. If Cory would have stuck to EZ didn't pay him, I would have left him alone. But no, he chose to spam false info with SBR's blessing.

Unlike you, I don't see everything as either Black or White. There were plenty of gray areas in the EZ matter. Between EZ, Cory, SBR and RX there are no innocent parties in my mind. BTW, I do agree with one thing you brought up--time to return to our lives.

[quagmire]

I asked you 1 question in my post and you didnt answer it.

and you dont know me to say I look at things in either black&white, there is clearly one party in the wrong in this situation and no grey area. he paid ez cash 7 separate times and when he won 46k they didnt pay him.

[HedgeHog]

I must have missed the question in your rants, Quacky. I think it was because I was laughing so hard at your claim that Cory's purpose was to warn others. Fact is he doesn't care about anyone other than himself.

[quagmire]

yeah just keep deflecting them that is what you do and nowhere in that post did I write that it was a previous post..
by pleading the 5th you aswered my question.

[yokspot]

...Where anti scammers and pro scammers collide

Rather misleading. Noone is "pro scammer" (are they?).

It was clear that the OP had scammed previously. He hadn't scammed EZ. The question is: do you reject a complaint from a player on the basis of a scamming history?

SBR chose not to. If I had clear evidence of past wrongdoing, I probably would regardless of the possible clean nature of the complaint in question. I would probably have rejected the OP's complaint, but cannot say for sure as the previous allegations were never fully substantiated.

Though that said, I actually can't say for sure I'd have rejected it, assuming the complaint in question was clean, as it was.

[HedgeHog]

yeah just keep deflecting them that is what you do and nowhere in that post did I write that it was a previous post..
by pleading the 5th you aswered my question.

You have me confused with Cory, the king of deflection. Seriously, don't make me read through your posts again, what is your question?

[sharpcat]

they stole 46k from him, what would you do if it was you??

Like any sane person would do I would have gone to Costa Rica and took their stupid lie detector test and got my money.

Either 46k is not as important to Cory as it is to most people or he knew he would not pass a lie detector test.

they accepted 7 separate payments from cory and when cory finally hit they didnt pay him, how can you defend that???

When they accepted his deposits they had no idea that he was a scam artist or that he was using a bot to abuse their generous bonus offer.

[yokspot]

When they accepted his deposits they had no idea that he was a scam artist or that he was using a bot to abuse their generous bonus offer.

You do know that the 'bot allegation was almost certainly false?

And the word "abuse", in context, is very loaded? Taking bonuses and following the rules isn't a crime, much as cake-and-eat-it gambling ops would like it seen as such.

[Peep]

I spent a fair amount of time trying to find what book(s) Cory supposedly charged back to also.

Didn't come up with much. Only bad I found was he and his brother used to share some accounts.

[taxer]

EZ street should pay the player.

Without writing a novel about it , You cannot use actions years back at another book to punish a player at a book that has nothing to do with the past one.

Powers is a tool , and EZ scammers simple as that you can try and decorate it any way you want or try and twist things around.

At the end of the day EZ stiffed a player that deposited 7 times with them and CASH not plastic , if they did not want his business they should have cut him off at the time of his 1st deposit not the 7th after he won. Fukin scammer tactics....

I call for a downgrade

[taxer]

There are two kinds of books basically; one that looks at every possible way to screw big winners and those that throw big winners a party and use the positive PR. In EZ's case they were bent from the get go to save $46k and they went through excuse after excuse as previous excuses unraveled.

This says it all

[cyberinvestor]

Some random thoughts on the whole thing:

I hope Cory wins his lawsuit just so he can get the domain names and put some crazy animation that runs in a constant loop of Marty and Wilheim getting screwed by elephants. Would just be a fitting end.

If the rumors are true of Cory charging back and Cory doesn't have any decent explanation (like the book didn't pay him or was going under or something) than I feel the whole case was Karma. Karma she's a bitch! It doesn't make EZ right in even the smallest way but it is one of those examples of justice served in some way. Sort of like when the burglar goes out to rob a bank only to come home and find his house was robbed.

From what I gathered on Hedge in the old EZ thread is that he seemed to really tout EZ while he was getting his free payouts. Once he said that he had cleared his EZ balance his tone changed. He didn't side with Cory but he then admitted that EZ might not be the best book and he wouldn't return. I can respect someone for trying to protect their investment. I would probably do the same if it were me. There were others however who did seem to just shill but who cares since it was very easy to see through.

The people, sorry to say, who came to Cory's regular defense and spammed appeared to be very young or not very "seasoned" in their gambling lives. Which is what made the whole thread seem like a cancer toward the end. These "unseasoned" players came with the attitude of "who cares what really happened, just screw the book". The type of attitude that comes from people who look at the books as some evil entity who steals their money and they want revenge at any cost. For the rest of us we view the books (those that are highly rated) as a respected opponent. We give them our money in trust that if we beat them they will pay up. They take our money with the mutual respect that if we beat them fair and square they will pay us what we are due. It's this foundation that a good book to customer relationship is founded. People who ********** chip away at this relationship that should blindly exist in the industry. I am sorry, I do not respect someone who chargesback unless there is a good reason (book isn't paying them among only a few others). While I do not **********, those people who do ********** make things more complex for me when I want a withdrawal. Back in the early days of online gambling you never had to provide documents and ID. Now you have to practically fill out a mortgage application just to get a payout. Why? Fraud and chargebacks!

In the end I would never bet at EZ if you gave me the money to do it. I hope Cory wins just to watch EZ and TheRX lose their domains but if the "rumors" are true on Cory and his chargebacks then this was his come around and Karma snapped back. I have spoken to Cory a handful of times and he seems like a good guy. I don't wish him ill in this like many people do.

I think the purpose of these forums is to share ideas and once a topic has been exhausted it should be closed. The S&I forum is my favorite here and the constant spamming on all sides really didn't make this forum look good. Forums to me should be maintained like rose bushes; let them grow but once the buds have run their course it is time to cut them off, prune it back, and watch new growth come in its place. Watching the same old topics bumped with no new information is like watching a rose bush consume itself and turn into a throny nest with no flowers because nobody took the time to properly manage it.

[HedgeHog]

Well put CI. I agree with much of what you said, especially your closing paragraph. Good analogy with the rose bush.