1. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberinvestor View Post
    Some random thoughts on the whole thing:

    I hope Cory wins his lawsuit just so he can get the domain names and put some crazy animation that runs in a constant loop of Marty and Wilheim getting screwed by elephants. Would just be a fitting end.

    If the rumors are true of Cory charging back and Cory doesn't have any decent explanation (like the book didn't pay him or was going under or something) than I feel the whole case was Karma. Karma she's a bitch! It doesn't make EZ right in even the smallest way but it is one of those examples of justice served in some way. Sort of like when the burglar goes out to rob a bank only to come home and find his house was robbed.

    From what I gathered on Hedge in the old EZ thread is that he seemed to really tout EZ while he was getting his free payouts. Once he said that he had cleared his EZ balance his tone changed. He didn't side with Cory but he then admitted that EZ might not be the best book and he wouldn't return. I can respect someone for trying to protect their investment. I would probably do the same if it were me. There were others however who did seem to just shill but who cares since it was very easy to see through.

    The people, sorry to say, who came to Cory's regular defense and spammed appeared to be very young or not very "seasoned" in their gambling lives. Which is what made the whole thread seem like a cancer toward the end. These "unseasoned" players came with the attitude of "who cares what really happened, just screw the book". The type of attitude that comes from people who look at the books as some evil entity who steals their money and they want revenge at any cost. For the rest of us we view the books (those that are highly rated) as a respected opponent. We give them our money in trust that if we beat them they will pay up. They take our money with the mutual respect that if we beat them fair and square they will pay us what we are due. It's this foundation that a good book to customer relationship is founded. People who ********** chip away at this relationship that should blindly exist in the industry. I am sorry, I do not respect someone who chargesback unless there is a good reason (book isn't paying them among only a few others). While I do not **********, those people who do ********** make things more complex for me when I want a withdrawal. Back in the early days of online gambling you never had to provide documents and ID. Now you have to practically fill out a mortgage application just to get a payout. Why? Fraud and chargebacks!

    In the end I would never bet at EZ if you gave me the money to do it. I hope Cory wins just to watch EZ and TheRX lose their domains but if the "rumors" are true on Cory and his chargebacks then this was his come around and Karma snapped back. I have spoken to Cory a handful of times and he seems like a good guy. I don't wish him ill in this like many people do.

    I think the purpose of these forums is to share ideas and once a topic has been exhausted it should be closed. The S&I forum is my favorite here and the constant spamming on all sides really didn't make this forum look good. Forums to me should be maintained like rose bushes; let them grow but once the buds have run their course it is time to cut them off, prune it back, and watch new growth come in its place. Watching the same old topics bumped with no new information is like watching a rose bush consume itself and turn into a throny nest with no flowers because nobody took the time to properly manage it.
    Well said

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    If there is proof that he has made charge backs in the past, I would not pay him. Why reward a con-man for taking free shots at the book to make money? I'm sure he's not the only one who does this (judging by the number of supporters he has)

    BTW, just got my $1,280 payout today from EZ.

    You play honest, they pay honest.

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    orangekat, your post is ridiculous and you have no clue how this business works.

    they accepted his CASH payments 7 separate times so chargebacks are irrelevant in this case. if you accept a players cash then you pay him win he wins.

    you will not find 1 person in this business that agrees with ez, everyone will tell you that a real book would pay him and then cut him off if you dont want his business.

    there has never been a shread of evidence of chargebacks ever presented in this case yet ez shills keep bringing it up, ez has been caught in multiple lies and cant be trusted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quagmire View Post
    orangekat, your post is ridiculous and you have no clue how this business works.

    they accepted his CASH payments 7 separate times so chargebacks are irrelevant in this case. if you accept a players cash then you pay him win he wins.

    you will not find 1 person in this business that agrees with ez, everyone will tell you that a real book would pay him and then cut him off if you dont want his business.

    there has never been a shread of evidence of chargebacks ever presented in this case yet ez shills keep bringing it up, ez has been caught in multiple lies and cant be trusted.
    Ghost,

    Why do you feel the need to rehash the same bland points over and over again? What books have said "Cory should be paid?"

    How much has Easystreet stiffed you? How long have you been slow payed?

    I do laugh at the logic at how anyone who does not firmly agree "Hey cory is a good guy and honest player and should be paid" is automatically a shill. Do we have to trust in his honesty?

    I have been gambling online for a decade and have zero payout complaints or issues. The guy has 2 eerily similar payout issues within 4 months of eachother? How many other people in this forum have those kind of issues?

    Neither side is honest or truthful and at this point only certain individuals who have made it almost like a holy crusade with zero personal experience with this book continue to throw the same thing that everyone already knows around. When someone disagrees they are a shill.

    Sorry ghost when every post you have ever made is about Easystreet it is painfully obvious that you are obsessed or are Cory or relation to Cory.

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    Update on SBR posters paid by EZ:

    1. Fishhead
    2. Stevex
    3. XStud
    4. Warriorfan707
    5. Eagle1958
    6. Hedgehog
    7. Donkdown
    8. Beyond
    9. Firedawg
    10. Jcolls
    11. Legendmatt34
    12. Dusty Rhodes
    13. Nathan Bug Tyler
    14. BigBet1234
    15. Eyeball
    16. Gavin
    17. Boatboatboat
    18. Trendon
    19. Gangeriver
    20. ProfaneReality
    21. LotsoCheese
    22. Rumple
    23. Orangekat
    24. Thisisit
    25. The Profit
    26. Chuck74
    27. Djefferis
    28. JoeB
    29. Play2
    30. Peep


    Posters claiming to be stiffed by EZ:
    1. Cory1111
    Last edited by HedgeHog; 09-19-11 at 06:37 AM. Reason: addition

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    This thread is too difficult to read, as hard as I try the only posts I seem to be seeing is "EZ does not pay and are blacklisted"

    Anything titled EZstreet I will not read anymore, cause they are blacklisted and don't pay.

    OH **** now I'm typing shit, It's like that crappy song that sticks in your head and doesn't pay.

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    My vacation is paid for by these alleged non-paying crooks. No complaints here.

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    comical

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    Plus 1 on getting paid fine from them multiple times as well.

    But I think they should have payed Cory.

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    If a book steals from big winners but not from lunch box guys they are not thieves? That's pretty much the argument of the pro scam book group.

    Just like with scam book Creditwagering, who also had a few vocal shills, this book will be gone soon enough and we can all move on to the next scam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR_John View Post
    If a book steals from big winners but not from lunch box guys they are not thieves? That's pretty much the argument of the pro scam book group.

    Just like with scam book Creditwagering, who also had a few vocal shills, this book will be gone soon enough and we can all move on to the next scam.
    I still don't understand your pro scam/anti scam classifications. Wouldn't it be less confusing to say Pro EZ vs Pro Cory? My listing of 30 SBR posters paid does in no way excuses what did or did not happen in the Cory case. It does show another side of EZ that many are unwilling to acknowlege--EZ has consistently paid us "lunch box guys" (many of whom accumulated significant winnings over time--not exactly the chump change you suggest).

    Even more interesting is the fact that I can find only one poster claiming to be stiffed. And this same poster had a casino complaint with another Book, Northbet. NB claimed deposit fraud (doctored deposit receipts according to Lou), but in the end paid Cory 15K. Immediately thereafter, he steps into another casino dispute, this time with EZ. Coincidence? I think not.

    Two questions I'd like answered are why did SBR allow this sole "victim" to repeatedly spam the board month after month? And why did this single case cause multiple rating cuts for EZ, from a C+ all the way down to a D?

    PS In addition to re-classifying the two sides of this dispute, you may want to correct the name of the Book too.
    Last edited by HedgeHog; 09-19-11 at 08:42 AM. Reason: ps

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    I still don't understand your pro scam/anti scam classifications. Wouldn't it be less confusing to say Pro EZ vs Pro Cory?
    Yes. I was being slightly sarcastic, so I thought. But if taken serious I will change the title.

    After all this debate one curios thing is all those early accusations by EZ of Cory being a master robot programming genius (cough, cough, chuckle) cheater are longggg gone.

    Seriously speaking, does any pro EZ guy here actually think Cory cheated ...??

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    Maybe a list of the guys on the credit side that were stiffed by these greasy bastards should be added.That amount would make Corys loss look like chickenfeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpcat View Post

    When they accepted his deposits they had no idea that he was a scam artist or that he was using a bot to abuse their generous bonus offer.
    In that case EZ should had voided all plays and return the deposited money. They didnt do that either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MBENZ View Post
    Maybe a list of the guys on the credit side that were stiffed by these greasy bastards should be added.That amount would make Corys loss look like chickenfeed.
    Where can I find these names? Any of them post here?

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    Agree, if your going to accuse someone of a pattern of cheating, you need to void all play, not just winning plays.

    As to do I fee Cory cheated, yes. Can I prove it, no. Therein lies the answer to should he have been paid.

    Justice is blind. Regardless of his past, the plaintiff needs to establish proof of wrongdoing beyond a preponderance of the evidence against the defendant, not prove the defendant is scum, a liar or anything other than a cheater in the play at question.

    Hopefully the industry learns from this and moves on. I can't help but feel the best way to have handled this would have been EZ posted up the disputed funds, Cory picks a rep and EZ does the same, be it SBR, TheRx or whomever...if the 2 can reach a decision, great. They award Cory what they feel he is entitled. If they can't, they elect a mutually acceptable 3rd party rep to mediate this..and are bound by their decision.

    I admit my feelings on this have changed. EZ might have been a victim here, but they have a duty to be proactive on the security front too.

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