[goldengreek]

So you are down $25,000 in last yr only? Perhaps time to stop gambling since you're not very good at it? Just sayin.

Yeah..thats it.

You must not have followed me on here the last year. Do some research before you talk out of your ass

[rzagza11]

I dont need to follow yours or anyone else picks. Why are you having to make so many deposits if you're winning? Why not just leave some $ in the book(s) and spare yourself aggravation such as this? Nothing more annoying than having to repeatedly make deposits via ** or **. Leave some cash in there.

[pwherr]

tell all here you are full of shit and this is a bs lie

[ABEHONEST]

Oh boy, theses young farts trying to out-guess a veteran gambler?

[rzagza11]

This "veteran" gambler sure isn't very smart in how he goes about navigating today's online gambling restrictions. All he's doing is making things more irritating for himself, as well as drawing attention.

[mikeyg]

Ur fooked big guy!!!!

[Kindred]

say you were purchasing bitcoins as an investment...google them and they can be purchased with money transfers no way to prove that it's not what you were buying and it's legal..

Honestly that's what I would tell them. They'll probably think what you are thinking right now, WTF is a bitcoin? If they don't know what the hell it is they'll feel stupid and just drop it.

[Hopefully]

I dont post much, but I have been playing your plays for a while now since that huge parlay in baseball.

This is what I did and it worked perfectly when I got asked some questions.

Just tell them that you are a web designer and you outsource the coding using either 99designs or crowdspring.com. Most of these countries have very cheap web and graphic designers that are outsourced everyday. And the main way of payment is money orders.

If they ask if those websites have their own way of handling transactions, just tell them yes, but that is only when you win a bid. Let them know that their is a social community on the website and their is no other way to send them money but money orders, which is preferred. If they even get crazier with the questions, just say you always receive the work first, and then you pay them after it's received.

It worked for me and it actually wasn't a lie, because I am a designer. But it worked and all transactions work now without any calls or questions for past year. Good luck, it worked for me.

[Hopefully]

Good Luck

[alling]

tell them its for betting on the ponies since clearly thats ok

[durito]

Hareeba, stop posting about subjects you know nothing about.


The op is probably getting banned anyway, the above post is the first story ive heard of that works.

[acarmelo1]

Just tell is for charity, and helping poor handicapped people

[Trespass]

They know you are gambling, but BL is right...the monitoring is primarily about drug (and terror) money.

Suggestion: Either tell them straight up OR tell them you pay for piece work over the Internet for companies that provide programming services, accounting...whatever.

That explains more money going out than coming in and does not imply any laundering on your part or profit from gaming. Then reach out to some friends/companies somewhere in the same jurisdictions as your transfers (you know Mom and Pops or your sportsbook under an "unofficial" name) that would be willing to confirm your purchases as a business partner.

Just has to be plausible. I would simply offer to get receipts/statements (walking in with them makes you look guilty). Also, only offer to pull together invoices and imply it may take considerable lead time as your accountant is in a another state. Anything with a lot of lead time may predispose them to dropping it or, at least, give you a negotiating stance. I've used this, it works well.

If you have to get paper support, obtain some sloppy ones from the aforementioned Mom and Pop operations a little piece at a time. NEVER ADMIT YOU ARE ALL DONE SEARCHING, THEY WILL HAVE TO WAIT ON YOU FOR A REASONABLE PERIOD.

The decision to move against you...and the burden of proof.... lies with the government. Give a nice story and my guess Wesern Uni0n will never refer to the government IF Wesern Uni0n has any discretion.

Then when you are closing out with the Wessern Uni0n guy....infer if this shit keeps up YOU WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR BUSINESS TO M0nEEGram.

Just my take in between watching Pats and Detroit. Good luck.

[grantingyou]

It doesn't matter what you tell them, you will be blacklisted.

[Trespass]

Double Post

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba, stop posting about subjects you know nothing about.


The op is probably getting banned anyway, the above post is the first story ive heard of that works.

Precisely what have I posted which I "know nothing about"?

[drfunkmaster]

say you want to feed the needy people. Its that simply.. you like to give... As when you die you not taking the money with you.

[tommygun]

100% of SBR forum posters are up in profit

[Dark Horse]

Just tell 'm you're in the sex slaves trade.

Or use fedex instead.

[mikeyg]

So what happened ????? Must have called you by now

[wiffle]

Precisely what have I posted which I "know nothing about"?

lol

[bostonboss]

tell them it is for business ventures overseas......

[Thunder Gulch]

Tell them it's for an offshore fishing trip that you pay in installments. I go fishing for sails and marlin in Costa Rica and those trips cost a fortune.

[MysteryMung]

Tell them you were sending monies to the Manager of a Nigerian Bank so he can process the release your half of the 32 million USD one of your distant cousins who was apparently a Oil Contractor for the Nigerian Government left in an account when he died.

[nayslayer]

Man I'm curious of the outcome.. What happened?

[Zmoney]

You can start using different senders Names actually...as long as ur book knows that....ive done that multiple times to prevent the problem ur having

[mafioso]

i have family members in 10 different countries ?

Tell them , you travel to third world countries for sex and pleasure and you have developed many relationships with prostitutes and pimps, and before you go back, you send them money to ensure you will have the time of your life with them once you step off the plane.

Thats what I said when ********** pulled this shit with me 5 years ago, I even went as far to ask for their address so I can mail them pics of me with my beloved whores.
They released my money immediatly, but back to me, and told me not to use their services anymore.

I said okay, you self rightous pricks.

And yes Im telling the truth, this is what i said because I was engraged that they were getting into my business.

[wtt0315]

i told them i had girlfriends in these countries and i got babies with of them. I told them not to call me at my house because its my girlfriends money that is paying for this child support and she lives with me, but she doesnt know i have babies with hookers in 4 different central american countries. I told them that is the reason i just put K as the second last name because i dont want people to know who they are. I am embarresed i didnt use protection and that 30 dollars i spent in costa rica on her. has turned out to cost me a fortune.

[cyberinvestor]

I am sure this situation is over but for future instances.

This happened to me a few years. First of all, "the government" does require the transfer companies to get information for high volume senders or receivers. The government did not specifically call W-U or M-G and say...we need information on this GoldenGreek character IMMEDIATELY! No, what happened was a flag got hit (perhaps so many transactions in a set period or so much in dollar volume). When the flag hit then someone in compliance gets alerted that they have to file a report on Golden Greek. The report does not get forwarded immediately to the government. The transfer company asks you questions and then keeps the information on their file. Should the government decide to audit the transfer agency then they can provide the files to the government OR more than likely it just sits in the transfer company's file never to be seen from again. The transfer company does this solely to show the government they are abiding by the regulations of being a money transfer company.

Yes, if you say the money is for gambling, goodnight Irene. They will reverse the transaction and have you pick it up and will not allow you to send any further transactions either internationally or altogether.

You have two options in this case. Either tell them you are not comfortable providing the information and want your money back, which they HAVE to do. They cannot hold your money hostage. Then go and use another transfer option. The other option is to lie. The web design or other outsourcing payments is probably the easiest. In the end the transfer company doesn't give a damn about you or in reality what you are doing. They just need to file the report (which stays INHOUSE unless the government comes asking) so that they can appear to be working hard to combat drug smuggling, money laundering, or other illegal payments and activities (that go well beyond just online gambling which is minor).

They will ask very probing questions like what you do for a living, what your income is, why you are sending these payments, if you know the people you are sending to, your home address, work address, phone numbers, websites, etc. It can be very awkward but it really isn't that bad. The government doesn't get a copy as soon as it is filed.

A perfect example of this in more common life is, for those familiar, purchasing fireworks out of state. In many states (PA for one) if you purchase fireworks at one of the shops when you checkout they will have you fill out a state form. The form asks for your name, address, driver's license, where you are taking the fireworks, etc. People might not want to put their state on their because fireworks might be illegal in their state but it really doesn't matter because that is not the purpose of the form. First, it doesn't get filed immediately with the state but sits on the firework store's files just so they are in compliance of the law. Second, even if the state audits these records, all they look for is whether the form says PA or not. It isn't worth their time to investigate a small fireworks crime which would result in a citation at worst. I see people get so panicked at the checkout when having to fill out the form but there is nothing to worry about. Even if you are scared, just put another state. Nobody is going to follow you or give a damn.

Golden Greek's only concern here should be whether the transfer company lets him keep sending or not. Because that is his only risk. He isn't going to have issues with the government over this situation unless he is sending $25,000 a year but shows an income on his taxes of $5,000. Yeah, then he might have an IRS issue. Otherwise he has no criminal or governmental concern.

Anyway, with more and more US facing books unable to accept C-C, these types of things are going to be more common as people use the transfer companies. Don't worry though. You are NOT doing anything illegal by gambling offshore (in most states). The problem is you are doing something against the money transfer company's rules. Which is where they can stop you if they want. However even if you told the transfer company you were gambling, the worst that would happen is they refuse your business and give you your money back. No government officer is going to come knocking at your door to enforce the transfer companies rules or scare you off. Not worth the time or money.

The best solution to this is vary which company you transfer with. Send two transfers thru M-G and then two through W-U and back and forth. That should keep you under the radar enough to ensure this isn't even an issue.

[andy888]

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[jarvol]

You dumbfukks need to stop getting payouts every time you win a couple of bets and then having to re-send the same money after you lose a couple. 20+ Wistern Uni0ns in 8 months.......absurd. Otherwise you lost your entire bankroll every couple of weeks in which case you need to stop gambling.