[Zach_Da_Muppet]

Edit by SBR Lou: We have confirmed that Zach attempted to deposit to a total of two BetOnline accounts using the same CC. Both accounts were linked by IP. We have also confirmed that Zach has scammed a total of seven gaming sites. Each one had a poker room. The notes for each entry contained either CC or checking acct fraud.

The card Zach used at BOL will be refunded. The two CC's of his accomplices in the chip-dump will also have their cards refunded.


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Hey guys, just thought I would throw this out there...as I don't want anyone to go through any unneccesary bullshit from yet another sportsbook. I have had BetOnline account for a while (over year at least id say) and had a few small cashouts (less than 5k) a few times without any problem. I took a break until last week sometime when I got email from them saying to give them a try (they have poker now) so I figured what the hell and deposited 1k which was very painless to deposit (always is, its the payouts that are always a hassle as you guys are prolly familiar with)....anyway, long story short I played all poker (didnt wager on any sports) and ran the account up to $7k...2 days later I decided I'd like to book a win so I requested a 5k cashout....That same day I am sent this email

"Hello Zachery

While reviewing your payment, we noticed an unusual play pattern related to username Ready?.

This pattern involves the funds transferring from his account to your account through the hands played.

May you please explain this situation?

We will also need a copy of your picture ID and utility bill in order to verify your identity.

Please be aware that we keep records for all the hands involved.

Best regards,
Daniel M.
Payments Team"

I replied that I had already attached a previous email with all identification documents (which they didnt need anyone since i had been a member there for a year and had sent these in many times before already)....

They are accusing me of some sort of chip dumping to a player that ive literally never seen in my life, and whom I lost money to at the beginning until i eventually got my losses back plus a few hundred. The majority (prolly 5k of the winnings were not even from this so called "Ready?" player name....sounds a bit shady to me and I am supposed to hear back from "management" tomorrow. Just goes to show u how careful u have to be before trusting even a "recommended book" with your funds. I will keep you posted as I am 100% positive I have done no wrongdoing, will be interesting to see if I somehow get screwed over in this deal.

Anyway just thought I would let my fellow sportsbettors and poker players know the scoop. thanks

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

Additionally, since they " keep records for all the hands involved." I would be more than happy if they would post some hands where I did anything wrong or some "unusual play activity" was involved....I am all ears!, and would love our community to see this

[Legions36]

Well to turn 1k into 7k in 2 days playing poker u have to be playing some high limits or good, im on your side but ive heard stories like this before that definately turned out to be chip dumping. I play poker online and im good, i know how hard it is to make that kind on $ in that little time, to be honest i really don't believe that unless your some kind of poker pro which it sounds to me from what your saying your not. If it makes u feel better they will probably just return the money to the right accounts and tell u not to do it again.

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

5-10 no limit holdem, like I said I would LOVE for them to attach every single hand history from when I played.

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

and you must not be playing too high of stakes if you've never won 5k in 24 hours? or must not watch alot of poker...This is peanuts, and yes I have made my living for the past 4 years from poker. thanks

[Legions36]

5-10 no limit holdem, like I said I would LOVE for them to attach every single hand history from when I played.

Sorry man they are a good outfit they wouldn't say this for no apparent reason, but u don't gotta prove it to me. When they do a thorough investigation on these hands they can see abnormal stuff going on so thats where they come to the conclusion. Just file a complaint with SBR

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

I am not proving anything to you, and I am not mad at you at all so don't think that. This is just a precautionary thing...like I said they told me they would get back to me soon, so we will see what kind of story they give me. I just think 30+ hours as it has been now is more than enough time to review some hands, thats all and its an inconvenience to me. Not to mention that going forward I have to think twice before placing any serious wagers on this site.

[Legions36]

I am not proving anything to you, and I am not mad at you at all so don't think that. This is just a precautionary thing...like I said they told me they would get back to me soon, so we will see what kind of story they give me. I just think 30+ hours as it has been now is more than enough time to review some hands, thats all and its an inconvenience to me. Not to mention that going forward I have to think twice before placing any serious wagers on this site.

They are a little laggy when it comes to time, maybe cause its the weekend they are taking longer. But to solve this issue faster just file a complaint with SBR if your not sure thats your best option. I wasn't pointing fingers i was just telling u things i knew from similar stories even if the player was guilty or not, every place just made each party hand in ID's and returned the $ where it came from and said not to do it again or just took away the poker feature on each account. Just your best bet if u are guilty and u know it best thing is to do is just come clean as it will definitely speed up the process to get the $ back in the accounts.

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

lol i was playing in a 6 handed game, how the hell could u even chip dump in that setting LOL. this is such a joke that I am even having to explain myself.

[tommygun]

this story seems all to familiar

[jesuseatsnubs]

Zach I wish u all the best and do believe you .. considering betonline has all sorts of complains against them ..

and Legions .. u are a complete .. and I mean literally a full blown idiot .. u always come on here defending every book .. from bodog to sportsbooks and their actions .. no matter what the situation .. so I Zach I urge you to just ignore him ..

just a file a complaint with SBR and hopefully an admin or an moderator will help u out .. all the best and I wish u get payed asap

P.S : stick with other books like bookmaker or even betislands .. can't recommend betislands just quite yet though considering their new .. but they have same day payouts and seem pretty good overall .. just don't go with a shitbook like betonline .. their beyond atrocious

ppl on here for some reason seem all to eager to defend these books ..

[Legions36]

Zach I wish u all the best and do believe you .. considering betonline has all sorts of complains against them ..

and Legions .. u are a complete .. and I mean literally a full blown idiot .. u always come on here defending every book .. from bodog to sportsbooks and their actions .. no matter what the situation .. so I Zach I urge you to just ignore him ..

just a file a complaint with SBR and hopefully an admin or an moderator will help u out .. all the best and I wish u get payed asap

P.S : stick with other books like bookmaker or even betislands .. can't recommend betislands just quite yet though considering their new .. but they have same day payouts and seem pretty good overall .. just don't go with a shitbook like betonline .. their beyond atrocious

ppl on here for some reason seem all to eager to defend these books ..

Whos the idiot u or me, u must like all those F rated books because when it comes to talking about B books or better u think they are all bad for some reason. Yes i will defend Bodog, yes i will defend Bookmaker, yes i will defend Betonline and any other book that i use because guess what they all pay me when i ask to be paid. If u wanna go around on SBR defending people that just joined go ahead but to be honest every story i ever heard of about chip dumping turned out to be true Stars, Tilt, and sportsbook but go right ahead and be as bitter as u want, i will keep defending any book i know from experience to be good.

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

I have played poker for years, so I don't need a lesson on what chip dumping involves. It is collusion and very very easy to spot. I have no relation to anyone on this site, that is why this is so baffling, and seems like they are just finding ways to delay paying me. This could spell major problems, and could serve as a cheap lesson for anyone like myself that bet big on sports and poker during prime seasons. $6k is peanuts, just encourage nobody to invest a lot in this company at least until they get back to me and tell me everything is fine after their "research"...I am all for sites having security and doing player investigations, but like I said I just can't possibly see what would throw up a red flag between myself and the said player. $5k of the winnings were not even from this guy, nor was he at the table when I won. I was winning both before and after I played with him, whether he was on or off the table I was playing at. This should be very easy to see after they review these hands, but we are going on 48 hrs here....losing faith in Betonline by the minute, I really hope they can complete whatever "reviewing" needs to be done so we can move forward. As always, any comments are appreciated.

[mtneer1212]

Zach - have you filled out an SBR complaint to have them investigate on your behalf?

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

Yes, I just did so a few moments ago, we will see what happens. Thanks

[mtneer1212]

Good deal. Keep us posted. If you are legit, followed the rules, and have no nothing to hide, SBR will certainly help.

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

Nothing to worry about bud, sadly justice isn't always served 2 ares: 1. sportsbetting and 2.the US Court system. lol, I am pretty sure that my holdem manager has recorded all hands involved if they want to get sticky with that. :O

[SBR Lou]

Zach's complaint has been received and responded to.

[Lint Pockets]

so what ever happened to this issue? i was thinking about depositing on this site to play poker and bet sports. was the player really chip dumping or was betonline wrong?

[Legions36]

so what ever happened to this issue? i was thinking about depositing on this site to play poker and bet sports. was the player really chip dumping or was betonline wrong?

U can deposit they will pay, only thing is if u want to get your $ fast from them u have to pay for it the free method takes 3weeks.
There is more to what happened than we know im sure of it.

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

First of all I would like to say that once this is all over (its ongoing, and was contacted by Alex from Betonline management directly) saying he will personally look into this....anyway I don't appreciate one bit Legions36 replying on my behalf. There is indeed no facts hidden in this post, all are 100% completely accurate and as I have said earlier it must be some glitch in their system. Legions, you don't know me, nor is it your place to throw darts on my innocence or guilt. Not that I have to prove anything to anybody on here, but I do care about my reputation. Would never post something that isn't 100% the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I am in hopes to get a reply by today from them.

[SBR Lou]

so what ever happened to this issue? i was thinking about depositing on this site to play poker and bet sports. was the player really chip dumping or was betonline wrong?

The investigation is ongoing. We're waiting on an update from mgt.

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

Just to update everyone, I was told I would have an answer within 3 hours......don't hold your breath as my account has been blocked since august 20th. They need to compensate me for this, does anyone else agree?

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

And the more I read this thread Legions36, if you don't work for Betonline I would be extremely surprised.

[Tully Mars 63]

Ok, I'm still lost as to why they have an B+ rating? I clearly documented a mess here- http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...ne-payout.html

I mean a B grade should be-

Good, minimal risk to players funds. Top 10% of all books.

This site sounds, at best, like-

C-

Average to below average cust. service with some risk to players funds.

If not a D

Poor, some risk to players funds. Poor customer service, etc.

I certainly feel like I've received "poor customer service." Sounds like you have too. Heck they out and out lied to me. What would they have to do to be considered "poor customer service?"

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

this has been an absolute nightmare to say the least. B+ my ass.

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

and judging from the amount of betonline threads, issues, and compaints I would have to agree, its time for a downgrade

[Tully Mars 63]

Well I wouldn't call my situation a "nightmare." But I don't have as much money on the line as you do. I got completely and utterly fracked by sportsbook.com and that taught me to be wary. So really this payout was just a test to make sure they held their word. Obviously I'm glad I did a test payout before putting any real money on the table.

They seem to view anyone who doesn't lose as engaging in "unusual play pattern" or "suspicious."


So, yeah I agree with you. I would have never signed with them if they didn't have a B+ rating, even thought twice about that but they had all the right answers when I opened my account so I took a chance.

I really think they're a d+ at best.

[tommygun]

SBR on the take, so B+ is a min. rating.

[Tully Mars 63]

Would have been nice to know that up front. Live and learn.

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

Day 6, I am really starting to get pissed. Scam Central over here. check this chat out.

Hi! Welcome to BetOnline! How can I help you?

You are now chatting with Sophia

Your Issue ID for this chat is LTK494015034817X. Please record it in case of pending issue.

Sophia: Thank you for contacting BetOnline Live Chat Service. How may I assist you today?
Zachery Davies: POKER MANAGER pls
Sophia: Hello
Sophia: Zachery, they're contacted via email to cs@betonline.com
Sophia: you have to send the email attention poker manager
Zachery Davies: look at my account pls
Sophia: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you...
Sophia: what exactly you need Zachery
Zachery Davies: look at it
Zachery Davies: pretty easy to figure out what i need
Sophia: you want to re open the acct?
Zachery Davies: 2obviously
Sophia: give me a moment
Sophia: hold please
Sophia: Thanks for holding
Sophia: We have to contact our finance department , and as soon as they make a decision we will contact you bank
Sophia: back*
Sophia: Is there anything else I can assist you with at this time?
Zachery Davies: wtf?
Zachery Davies: finance dept?
Sophia: I apologize, my mistake
Zachery Davies: this was supposed to be the poker issue
Sophia: upper management
Zachery Davies: lol
Sophia: yes Zachery we need to check if we're able to open your account
Sophia: it's under review
Sophia: we will get back to you via email
Zachery Davies: i was told the review was done yesterday
Zachery Davies: malcom sat there and bold faced lied to me
Zachery Davies: on live chat
Zachery Davies: do u not have record of your live chats?
Sophia: Zachery, yes chatted with Malcom, and he told you we will give tell you the decision today
Sophia: so, please understand we will get back to you once we have a response
Zachery Davies: i am not understanding something
Sophia: tell me
Zachery Davies: supposedly the review has been completed (as I was told by your "poker manager") who is as mysterious as Isildur1
Zachery Davies: and that my account was found to be clear of any wrongdoing
Zachery Davies: malcom sat there and told me this yesterday
Zachery Davies: as you can access via your chat records im sure
Zachery Davies: so, if the review is done, as i was once again told (this is day 6) of this
Zachery Davies: then WHAT is the holdup or what "decision" still needs to be made
Zachery Davies: whether or not I am going to bankrupt your business? lol
Sophia: ok i understand , but you have to be aware that we have different departments here
Zachery Davies: shocker!
Sophia: not only the poker manager can make a decision
Zachery Davies: you tell me
Zachery Davies: who locked the account
Sophia: Upper Management has to review and make a final decision as well
Zachery Davies: ohhh "upper management"
Zachery Davies: you mean the same people that swore on their company to me yesterday that they would call me DIRECTLY before they left the office
Zachery Davies: shocker that they left without calling me
Zachery Davies: and I call now and somehow they are ALL, yes YOUR ENTIRE UPPER MANAGEMENT team is "on lunch" and Ill need to call back
Sophia: Zachery , I just sent an email to my supervisors letting them know you want a quick response
Sophia: I already informed them you're here on the chat, and you want a response today
Zachery Davies: ohhhh well now I am feeling MUCH better, because thats only let me count....
Zachery Davies: the 6th time someone has sent an "email"
Sophia: Zachery, I apologize for the delay regarding this matter
Zachery Davies: but amazing that I have yet to receive 1 reply
Sophia: I'm sorry about that Zachery, the fact is that at this moment we do not have a concrete response for you
Zachery Davies: thank you sophia for confirming and assuring my confidence in your book! you have been AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE!

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

Hi! Welcome to BetOnline! How can I help you?

You are now chatting with Sophia

Your Issue ID for this chat is LTK494015034817X. Please record it in case of pending issue.

Sophia: Thank you for contacting BetOnline Live Chat Service. How may I assist you today?
Zachery Davies: POKER MANAGER pls
Sophia: Hello
Sophia: Zachery, they're contacted via email to cs@betonline.com
Sophia: you have to send the email attention poker manager
Zachery Davies: look at my account pls
Sophia: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you...
Sophia: what exactly you need Zachery
Zachery Davies: look at it
Zachery Davies: pretty easy to figure out what i need
Sophia: you want to re open the acct?
Zachery Davies: 2obviously
Sophia: give me a moment
Sophia: hold please
Sophia: Thanks for holding
Sophia: We have to contact our finance department , and as soon as they make a decision we will contact you bank
Sophia: back*
Sophia: Is there anything else I can assist you with at this time?
Zachery Davies: wtf?
Zachery Davies: finance dept?
Sophia: I apologize, my mistake
Zachery Davies: this was supposed to be the poker issue
Sophia: upper management
Zachery Davies: lol
Sophia: yes Zachery we need to check if we're able to open your account
Sophia: it's under review
Sophia: we will get back to you via email
Zachery Davies: i was told the review was done yesterday
Zachery Davies: malcom sat there and bold faced lied to me
Zachery Davies: on live chat
Zachery Davies: do u not have record of your live chats?
Sophia: Zachery, yes chatted with Malcom, and he told you we will give tell you the decision today
Sophia: so, please understand we will get back to you once we have a response
Zachery Davies: i am not understanding something
Sophia: tell me
Zachery Davies: supposedly the review has been completed (as I was told by your "poker manager") who is as mysterious as Isildur1
Zachery Davies: and that my account was found to be clear of any wrongdoing
Zachery Davies: malcom sat there and told me this yesterday
Zachery Davies: as you can access via your chat records im sure
Zachery Davies: so, if the review is done, as i was once again told (this is day 6) of this
Zachery Davies: then WHAT is the holdup or what "decision" still needs to be made
Zachery Davies: whether or not I am going to bankrupt your business? lol
Sophia: ok i understand , but you have to be aware that we have different departments here
Zachery Davies: shocker!
Sophia: not only the poker manager can make a decision
Zachery Davies: you tell me
Zachery Davies: who locked the account
Sophia: Upper Management has to review and make a final decision as well
Zachery Davies: ohhh "upper management"
Zachery Davies: you mean the same people that swore on their company to me yesterday that they would call me DIRECTLY before they left the office
Zachery Davies: shocker that they left without calling me
Zachery Davies: and I call now and somehow they are ALL, yes YOUR ENTIRE UPPER MANAGEMENT team is "on lunch" and Ill need to call back
Sophia: Zachery , I just sent an email to my supervisors letting them know you want a quick response
Sophia: I already informed them you're here on the chat, and you want a response today
Zachery Davies: ohhhh well now I am feeling MUCH better, because thats only let me count....
Zachery Davies: the 6th time someone has sent an "email"
Sophia: Zachery, I apologize for the delay regarding this matter
Zachery Davies: but amazing that I have yet to receive 1 reply
Sophia: I'm sorry about that Zachery, the fact is that at this moment we do not have a concrete response for you
Zachery Davies: thank you sophia for confirming and assuring my confidence in your book! you have been AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE!

[slash]

If just half of what Z posts is true, BOL should be downgraded.

[Zach_Da_Muppet]

I was told to call back in 2 hours as that is when their "upper management team" will be back from lunch---long lunch around there I guess. Keep you guys posted as this mess continues to linger on

[Tully Mars 63]

I had the same type experience during my chats with BOL "customer service." Only all mine included many more "give me a moment"and "hold please." Plus they'd take a long time in responding even when they didn't tell you to "hold please." I had one with someone named "scouter" that left me pissed. I basically cut it off and told "scouter he should go mess with the next sucker dumb enough to deposit money with them.

I'm doubting they'll be downgraded. But I'm definitely letting everyone I know to stay the hell away from them. I've posted such warnings elsewhere and have warned people here locally. Word of mouth man, word of mouth.