[HedgeHog]

jimmy I went to bat for you in another thread, but LOU says you and the other guy share the same physical address. Is that true?

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...es-3900-a.html

Fooled by another scammer--big surprise. Anytime a poster has a con going, you're the first one to buy in. The word sucker comes to mind.

[WVU]

Fooled by another scammer--big surprise. Anytime a poster has a con going, you're the first one to buy in. The word sucker comes to mind.

Once again you are clueless. Wake up and you might someday figure out how this stuff works.

[HedgeHog]

Once again you are clueless. Wake up and you might someday figure out how this stuff works.

I certainly know how you work. Zabula tries to scam 5D and you're PMing him on how to game the system, while SBR is trying to sort it out (SBR monitors PMs, genius) You're also a big fan of Cory1111, the biggest scammer of all. If someone's running a scam WVU is your man. Do you work on commission?

[WVU]

If SBR wants to post those pms that you think you know something about then they have my permission. Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. Let's try to keep your bashing of me in the Easystreet thread, ok?

[Bill Dozer]

what did you get out of this Jimmy?

Jimmy is in a position where he needs BetOnline to audit his account and spend time reversing what he did to see what is fair. We advised him that a good first move is to come clean and try to redeem himself. BetOnline might have the ability to be generous with what acct history they deem to be valid.

[HedgeHog]

If SBR wants to post those pms that you think you know something about then they have my permission. Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. Let's try to keep your bashing of me in the Easystreet thread, ok?

All I'm saying is that you have a tendency to back scammers. Seems pertinent here as well as all the other threads. Time and again you're on the wrong side and end up looking like a "fool"--or worse.

[bobbywaves]

there was never collusive play there was never a third person at the tables as to where the winnings came from it came from betting on baseball and i dont think anyone can cheat betting on baseball

Unfortunately you'll have to wait for the investigation to be completed Jimmy, it's best to say nothing as your credibility is shot due to previous lies. Nobody can cheat betting baseball? Have you heard of Pete Rose?

[WVU]

All I'm saying is that you have a tendency to back scammers. Seems pertinent here as well as all the other threads. Time and again you're on the wrong side and end up looking like a "fool"--or worse.

I support free flow of information which is often important when watchdog sites hang the banners of the shops in question. You of all people should understand this, but you are hell bent on bashing me instead. I was on the right side in the Cory dispute as EasyStreet did not prove anything. I do not take the word of anyone who has anything to gain financially. Whether it be the sportsbook, forums, or the player himself. All I seek is full disclosure. Try to separate your disdain for me enough to realize that. I have also never accepted a penny nor have I asked for a penny in these matters despite what you want to believe.

[mtneer1212]

Could it be possible that the fraudulent accounts were used to deposit stolen deposits like fake/stolen CCs or such? I'm not accusing, just asking if that has been researched?

[HedgeHog]

I support free flow of information which is often important when watchdog sites hang the banners of the shops in question. You of all people should understand this, but you are hell bent on bashing me instead. I was on the right side in the Cory dispute as EasyStreet did not prove anything. I do not take the word of anyone who has anything to gain financially. Whether it be the sportsbook, forums, or the player himself. All I seek is full disclosure. Try to separate your disdain for me enough to realize that. I have also never accepted a penny nor have I asked for a penny in these matters despite what you want to believe.

I do agree with this in principle, and I back the bettor much more often than not. However, you seem to only support the "free flow of info" when it agrees with your opinion. I have never been stiffed by 5D, BOL (a reference to this thread in case I'm accused of hi-jacking this thread), and believe it or not-- EZ Street Sports. I play at all three and am very satisfied with each and every one of them. But when I report payout after payout from EZ, you label me a" fool" for supporting them. Try to allow for an opinion that may differ from yours, especially if it's coming from someone's actual experience with the Book in question.

Said my peace, and I'm done with the "bashing" you actually initiated. Let's leave it that, ok?

[Monte]

Situation is still the same, as long as BO cannot proof they were about to loose money with this "scam".
Only a shit book would confiscate all money and take advantage of harmless chip dumping, which is exactly what BO is.

[Bill Dozer]

You can call it "harmless chip dumping" but there is more to consider. For example, Player A deposits through his card and player B does as well. When they win, they dump to player who uses person to person method. No payout auths needed and the dumping fraud players scam through the card company. Poker opens the door to fraud scams that this forum hasn't seen yet.

[Legions36]

Oh god if this guy didn't cheat anyone and they made the money threw sport bets, I see nothing wrong playing heads up to give money from one account to another, they didn't collude anyone. No way if this is the story they should not give OP his money back. Just a stupid rule poker places use to try that bs with heads up chip dumping.
OP i do have to say Betonline wont scam you from my experience i think you will get your money back if everything you say here is true which u already lied so u might of left out some more info.

[tomcowley]

Doesn't make any sense. If he's only guilty of chipdumping, he wouldn't be giving up on his money like this. Has to be a partial confession or there's more going on on the BoL end.

[Igetp2s]

This is why I never play poker online. because of crap like this. Cheating happens all the time. Maybe 1% of it gets caught.

[pokernut9999]

You can call it "harmless chip dumping" but there is more to consider. For example, Player A deposits through his card and player B does as well. When they win, they dump to player who uses person to person method. No payout auths needed and the dumping fraud players scam through the card company. Poker opens the door to fraud scams that this forum hasn't seen yet.

You are right on Bill , you don't dump chips for no reason.

Not too many people here realize all the ways people scam books .

[wrongturn]

the apology is pretty sincere

[trixtrix]

Don't mind Tom -- he's pretty much the public defender anytime fraud, multiple accounting or bonus abuse is alleged.

Something I feel is worth keeping in mind:

1. In addition to the accounts that shared the same physical and IP address, an additional account lost all of their funds to Jimmy.
2. After the sportsbook questioned Jimmy, he acted outraged and completely denied everything.
3. After denying that he did anything wrong, he immediately went to Covers then SBR saying he was scammed.
4. After SBR told him that there was actually proof that there was at least multiple accounting, he admitted that he lied.

Management has reason to suspect the collusion involved more than the players who happened to be obviously caught. We're hoping that can be cleanly documented tomorrow to satisfy even the most skeptical of the anti evil empire/sportsbook camp. =)

Once we know more about the total # of bonuses and players involved, we'll have an idea what the next step is.

tc's credentials are inpeccable as far as i'm concerned, beyond ganchrow, he's the next in line in terms of my personal respect (i've said it before: watching him bashing in a noob is like watching vandy silva curb-stomp on yuki kondal's face)

[trixtrix]

the admission made no economic sense unless the op is financially motivated in some way for his admission, there is an old-school joyland-esque feel to this

[OSUCOWBOYS]

Nice of you to set the record straight.

[SBR Lou]

the admission made no economic sense unless the op is financially motivated in some way for his admission, there is an old-school joyland-esque feel to this

It actually made sense to come clean because the lie wouldn't have held up. As Bill's post indicated, there's an audit being conducted to see what Jimmy is entitled to. The multi-accounts that donated/dumped to his bankroll had multiple failed CC deposit attempts across different cards.

[durito]

So what´s the scam? CC fraud?

[tomcowley]

That's what I figured it was initially. I certainly won't be surprised to see a fair conclusion of deposit/********** fraud.

[Legions36]

It actually made sense to come clean because the lie wouldn't have held up. As Bill's post indicated, there's an audit being conducted to see what Jimmy is entitled to. The multi-accounts that donated/dumped to his bankroll had multiple failed CC deposit attempts across different cards.

If he did that with the ************ then he doesn't deserve a penny case closed. Why did they even credit those accounts then if the cc's were failed??

[shari91]

If he did that with the ************ then he doesn't deserve a penny case closed. Why did they even credit those accounts then if the cc's were failed??

From what Lou said, I assume they kept trying cards until they finally found one/a few that would work. They could've just kept reducing the deposit amount or just switched cards until it went through. Maybe the system doesn't alert a book to that automatically and that's only something you discover after you investigate? I'm just speculating though.

[jimmy242]

to my understanding the multiple CC failed because the banks wouldnt allow the transaction to gambling and he deposit via a virtual gift card for 500 if they look they will see that the name and billing address for all the CC match the name on his account and address just saying for those people that think it is CC fraud i am willing to wait for the funds if they think there is a charge back risk why ********** 500 if there is a risk in losing 3900.00.

[soxwin1917]

to my understanding the multiple CC failed because the banks wouldnt allow the transaction to gambling and he deposit via a virtual gift card for 500 if they look they will see that the name and billing address for all the CC match the name on his account and address just saying for those people that think it is CC fraud i am willing to wait for the funds if they think there is a charge back risk why ********** 500 if there is a risk in losing 3900.00.

You are a proven liar. Shut your mouth and let this work out. I'm tired of seeing SBR be made to look foolish for trying to help selfish liars like you and cory.

[Kindred]

people don't chipdump and have multiple accounts when they aren't scammers. Betonline should donate the money to charity so the scam artists are beat and they can't point the finger at BOL saying they stole the money.

[topgame85]

refund deposit close all accounts and be glad you got anything.

[dikefale]

what lead you to confes that you are the scammer? I dont understand.

[marcojuiceman]

jimmy kill yourself

[runner5k]

what lead you to confes that you are the scammer? I dont understand.

He probably got offered some deal from Bol for his confession

[fixxer]

The most usual reason for chip dumping is if there is any bonus was involved...

Many cheaters create a fake alias, take the bonus with it, than lose it to the other acc - voila, no more rollover, and free to withdraw with an account which can be verified by all means...but many get caught, as poker offices use more and more - better and better - ways to catch fraudsters.

I guess BO should investigate if the "other" players are real bettors, with real intention to play at BO,
or the OP committed some identity fraud....(phone calls, speaking about the game (decisions) in question)

The OP can only clear himself by admitting the REAL REASON behind the chip dumping...

I don't buy it, if his reason is that he wanted to avoid the cost of transferring money (via moneybookers, etc...) from one person to another...no person is dumb enough to risk this big sum for avoiding a small/medium fee....so what was the reason???? (taking betting bonus with a fake ID?)

[trixtrix]

The most usual reason for chip dumping is if there is any bonus was involved...

Many cheaters create a fake alias, take the bonus with it, than lose it to the other acc - voila, no more rollover, and free to withdraw with an account which can be verified by all means...but many get caught, as poker offices use more and more - better and better - ways to catch fraudsters.

I guess BO should investigate if the "other" players are real bettors, with real intention to play at BO,
or the OP committed some identity fraud....(phone calls, speaking about the game (decisions) in question)

The OP can only clear himself by admitting the REAL REASON behind the chip dumping...

I don't buy it, if his reason is that he wanted to avoid the cost of transferring money (via moneybookers, etc...) from one person to another...no person is dumb enough to risk this big sum for avoiding a small/medium fee....so what was the reason???? (taking betting bonus with a fake ID?)

the most usual reason for chip dumping is ccard fraud

[mtneer1212]

the most usual reason for chip dumping is ccard fraud

BINGO! We have a winner!