1. 07-01-11 10:36 AM #1
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    Betphoenix casino offer

    I received an email offering 100% cash bonus on a deposit, up to $250. 50x rollover of deposit + bonus.

    If you play Blackjack perfectly, you will lose about $125 of your $250 bonus after meeting rollover...

    There is one other peculiar rule: max payout is 10x. This means you can't raise your stakes if you win early...you have to keep your upside variance down.

    Beted offered a 100% preakness bonus days before they were seized, capped at $250.

    Paranoia is good.
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  2. 07-01-11 11:22 AM #2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    I received an email offering 100% cash bonus on a deposit, up to $250. 50x rollover of deposit + bonus.

    If you play Blackjack perfectly, you will lose about $125 of your $250 bonus after meeting rollover...

    There is one other peculiar rule: max payout is 10x. This means you can't raise your stakes if you win early...you have to keep your upside variance down.

    Beted offered a 100% preakness bonus days before they were seized, capped at $250.

    Paranoia is good.
    Your calculation assumes that the software is not rigged. I need not remind seasoned posters about Casino NeoMax and Fourty Plus Casino to name but two. And of course there was Kiss Casino and Women's Only Casino when the Slowtongale method was a virtual guarantee of riches but any other method of betting would inevitably lead to ruin.
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  3. 07-01-11 11:24 AM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    I received an email offering 100% cash bonus on a deposit, up to $250. 50x rollover of deposit + bonus.

    If you play Blackjack perfectly, you will lose about $125 of your $250 bonus after meeting rollover...

    There is one other peculiar rule: max payout is 10x. This means you can't raise your stakes if you win early...you have to keep your upside variance down.

    Beted offered a 100% preakness bonus days before they were seized, capped at $250.

    Paranoia is good.
    Are you suggesting that funds are unsafe at BetPhoenix and WagerChief?
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  4. 07-01-11 12:09 PM #4
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    50x total RO/250 = 25k in action...yea, avg guy could do that....in their dreams

    agree, perfect strategy its doable in theory, but theory is just that. Reality is you'll have long runs one way or the other and assumes a level playing field, 10x cap kills the deal to me. If luck favors you, you lose...a run the other way and your wiped out
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  5. 07-01-11 12:35 PM #5
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    Sounds suspect...
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  6. 07-01-11 12:39 PM #6
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    BP is busto, heard it here first folks.
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  7. 07-01-11 01:23 PM #7
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    I had thought that betphoenix casino was not affiliated with Betphoenix the sportsbook. I thought their casino was bogart casino or something like that
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  8. 07-01-11 01:59 PM #8
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    man you will be taking more than the gambling risk sending these guys money
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  9. 07-01-11 02:37 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyC View Post
    BP is busto, heard it here first folks.
    You can't be first, but you can be next.
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  10. 07-01-11 05:49 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by HedgeHog View Post
    Are you suggesting that funds are unsafe at BetPhoenix and WagerChief?
    Anytime there is a profitable casino offer, I suggest paranoia is a good idea.
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  11. 07-01-11 07:23 PM #11
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    better yet i got his one today


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  12. 07-01-11 07:29 PM #12
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    stupidest offer I have ever seen....Did a 5 year old write it?
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  13. 07-01-11 07:32 PM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    Anytime there is a profitable casino offer, I suggest paranoia is a good idea.
    I receive at least one 50 dollar free play from intertops a month, sometimes i get it every two weeks. Also they are always sending me a 100 percent bonus with a 60 times roll over. I never deposit into the casino, but I of course use the free plays.
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  14. 07-01-11 10:58 PM #14
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    i'll pass.
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  15. 07-02-11 01:42 AM #15
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    it's very sad justin7 can't just come out and say it. SBR let justin7 just say the truth. Hey sbr_john you sure when you drove by bet phoenix they were expanding? LOL
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  16. 07-02-11 03:12 AM #16
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    And now Skybook, who was just taken over by BP, is offering a 100% match reload. I would go nowhere near that one
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  17. 07-02-11 05:29 AM #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by TryingMyBest View Post
    And now Skybook, who was just taken over by BP, is offering a 100% match reload. I would go nowhere near that one
    What's the RO for that offer? I'm guessing at least 12X.
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  18. 07-02-11 05:38 AM #18
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    way to much for me
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  19. 07-02-11 06:39 AM #19
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    they most always cap payouts on these types of offers
    can't blame them
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  20. 07-02-11 06:52 AM #20
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    betphoenixcasino I dont think is the same as betphoenix the sportsbook
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  21. 07-02-11 08:14 AM #21
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    Got the same email and it's a sticky...was excited until I read the "noncashable" part in the terms. It's on the bottom portion of the email. The cap payout was also a hint that this wasn't a cashable bonus
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  22. 07-02-11 08:15 AM #22
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    You can still use advantage play as long as they have high betting limits on BJ or Baccarat. Still there are better sticky bonuses out there and from places that will probably pay faster than BP
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  23. 07-02-11 08:27 AM #23
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    I played 3-card a few months ago and went 23 straight hands without pair of better.
    I have never played there since that day.
    Is the casino rigged?
    I don't care. But If anyone can repeat that using real cards, let me know
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    Quote Originally Posted by HedgeHog View Post
    What's the RO for that offer? I'm guessing at least 12X.
    10x for 100-200. 12x for 201-400
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  25. 07-02-11 01:48 PM #25
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    I'm trying to do a withdrawl from BetMania. On their cashier page, I see a nice big Deposit button. But I can't figure out how the hell I'm supposed to make a withdrawl. Stupid interface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by julio_cat View Post
    I played 3-card a few months ago and went 23 straight hands without pair of better.
    I have never played there since that day.
    Is the casino rigged?
    I don't care. But If anyone can repeat that using real cards, let me know
    I rarely play that game but if you really didn't get a pair in 23 hands that is rare. For sticky bonuses stick to banker bets on baccarat for full or half bankroll. Triple bankroll and then grind out WR on BJ.
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  27. 07-02-11 03:55 PM #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by julio_cat View Post
    I played 3-card a few months ago and went 23 straight hands without pair of better.
    I have never played there since that day.
    Is the casino rigged?
    I don't care. But If anyone can repeat that using real cards, let me know
    75-1 against that happening. Not especially unlikely.
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  28. 07-02-11 04:24 PM #28
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    BP paid me today within advertised time.
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  29. 07-03-11 12:36 AM #29
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    you could get that offer at euro bookies.
    bwin had it for a long time, recently cancelled, more smart people around i guess.
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  30. 07-03-11 12:47 AM #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by jogumon View Post
    I'm trying to do a withdrawl from BetMania. On their cashier page, I see a nice big Deposit button. But I can't figure out how the hell I'm supposed to make a withdrawl. Stupid interface.
    I believe you have to make the withdrawl via Customer Service.
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  31. 07-03-11 06:27 PM #31
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    I've gotten emails from both BetPhoenixCasino and Betphoenix signed "Sam Cohen, General Manager" so it seems like they're affiliated. I got an even better offer than the one Justin7 mentioned about two weeks ago, and out of curiosity I asked CS about it and they said that offer had expired already but they could give me a less good one--I contacted them only a few hours after receiving the email, so there's no way it really expired--in all likelihood it was some sort of bait and switch.
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  32. 07-03-11 11:56 PM #32
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    "Sam Cohen"...come on BP...you can do better than that.

    Mike Lance
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  33. 07-04-11 12:36 PM #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by sideloaded View Post
    it's very sad justin7 can't just come out and say it. SBR let justin7 just say the truth. Hey sbr_john you sure when you drove by bet phoenix they were expanding? LOL
    betphoenix on SBR ... well he did say paranoia is good

    Since the first downgrade we know of two players who haven't been paid out completely. They have received payments but very slow. It's not a good feeling to be jammed up in a book in the middle of summer. I do think they will get the rest of their money. As John mentioned, they have assets worth more than player balances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    betphoenix on SBR ... well he did say paranoia is good

    Since the first downgrade we know of two players who haven't been paid out completely. They have received payments but very slow. It's not a good feeling to be jammed up in a book in the middle of summer. I do think they will get the rest of their money. As John mentioned, they have assets worth more than player balances.
    Still didn't answer my question.
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  35. 09-15-11 08:52 PM #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    Anytime there is a profitable casino offer, I suggest paranoia is a good idea.
    A $250 50x rollover bonus on blackjack (with a 10x max cashout) doesn't really seem all that special... Hell, this used to be considered a "maybe if I have the time" type of offering and I still occasionally see offers with lower rollovers from higher rated books that I haven't thought twice about doing...

    Maybe the suggested paranoia is based mostly on their C rating (ie hard payout) or is there another implication that I'm missing?
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