[NSN21]

Hey guys, wanted to get your input on the different offshores and the staleness of their lines. For example, what books out there tend to take the longest to update their numbers after there's been a move at most shops?

Along the same lines, what books (if any) tend to have the highest frequency of rogue numbers? Such as, most shops have Team A at -6, but this one shop has them at -7.

I know from past experience that SIA falls on this list, but was curious what everyone else's thoughts are as to the other shops.

I'm thinking along the lines of football specifically, but if it pertains to other sports, feel free to include them as well.

It's always nice to have an extra out or two for the times that you want a number but don't get a chance to grab it before it moves, and there's the off chance you might find a rogue extra point on a bet here and there.

[John Dough]

Why would anyone want to publicize soft shops?

[OSUCOWBOYS]

Why would anyone want to publicize soft shops?

+1

NSN21,

No offense, but why would I give you my money?

[NSN21]

Good call. Thank you for the input.

[Hareeba!]

Finding the stale lines is one thing but getting them to accept a bet on them is another thing altogether.

[ForgetWallStreet]

Finding the stale lines is one thing but getting them to accept a bet on them is another thing altogether.

LOLOL. What could a true punter like you possibly know about this?

[Hareeba!]

LOLOL. What could a true punter like you possibly know about this?

I suppose it is asking too much for you and that serial arsehole donjuan to comprehend that "true punting" involves locating the best odds on offer?
And that there are some books when asked to lay them decline to bet ?

[ForgetWallStreet]

And that there are some books when asked to lay them decline to bet ?

Which ones? I've played virtually everywhere and only seen this happen at Bet US.

[Hareeba!]

Which ones? I've played virtually everywhere and only seen this happen at Bet US.

three chronic offenders are IAS, Luxbet and Sportsbet.com.au

[ForgetWallStreet]

three chronic offenders are IAS, Luxbet and Sportsbet.com.au

So you try to bet at these places and they decline and then change the odds? If so, I'd file a complaint.

[Hareeba!]

So you try to bet at these places and they decline and then change the odds? If so, I'd file a complaint.

I've complained long and hard for years but they all hide behind their rule saying that they can decline any bet and are not required to provide any reason.

Even our fair trading laws are of no use as gambling is beyond their jurisdiction.
I'm working on a couple of politicians to try and get some fairness introduced into the law but unfortunately there just aren't enough votes in the issue for them to give it any sort of priority.

[donjuan]

I suppose it is asking too much for you and that serial arsehole donjuan to comprehend that "true punting" involves locating the best odds on offer?
And that there are some books when asked to lay them decline to bet ?

So line shopping is now the same thing as steam chasing in your magical world?

[iQon]

This is definitately info that should be left to everyone else to find, and not publicly outed on SBR.

I'm also pretty sure you're not shopping much outside of SIA. That, or they deal dual line. They always have the WORST odds on any line I look at. They're always more expensive by at least 50-120 cents. And their dogs are always 5-15 lower than every other book.

Also considering how quick they are to limit you, it's not worth the hassle. I'm already cut down to $33 on most sports.

[Hareeba!]

So line shopping is now the same thing as steam chasing in your magical world?

yet another utterly useless post from this serial offender

totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion

there's nothing "magical" about my world

simple fact is that books treat those who regularly snare the bets odds/lines as undesirable customers whether their MO is steam chasing or just honest shopping for the top odds .. but as I said above none of this has any relevance to the topic the rest of us were discussing

[underthe total]

he is saying that if you seek soft numbers and that is all that you will and do bet with a shop they will limit you or show you the door.

has nothing to do with line shopping,

hareeba

donmjuan
thremp
forget wall street

you have a few stalkers it seems

[Hareeba!]

he is saying that if you seek soft numbers and that is all that you will and do bet with a shop they will limit you or show you the door.

has nothing to do with line shopping,

I simply set out to get the very best odds for what I want to back.
Whether those odds are steaming or not is irrelevant to me but it seems that's not the way most books see it as I've been limited to the not-worth-it point by about 25 (mostly Euro) books.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Sportsbet.com.au

I don't know if there is a bigger chest beater in the industry than Matt Tripp but he certainly doesn't run his sportsbook like he runs his mouth. I still remember those fake Lonhro bets

[RickySteve]

Hareeba is part of a devoted cult chasing the picks of a losing tout, essentially making him part of a syndicate. Books generally don't like that kind of action, even if it's without an edge, and that's why he gets backed off.

[Hareeba!]

I don't know if there is a bigger chest beater in the industry than Matt Tripp but he certainly doesn't run his sportsbook like he runs his mouth. I still remember those fake Lonhro bets

Michael Sullivan would be right up there too

[Dr.Gonzo]

Michael Sullivan would be right up there too

I've never seen a bookmaker who wanted to be a celebrity as much as this loser. He does every sportingbet add himself and I have to see his fat head on every horse racing market. No one cares what you say Sulo **** off.

[underthe total]

all systems not using price as main factor fail

imo

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba is part of a devoted cult chasing the picks of a losing tout, essentially making him part of a syndicate. Books generally don't like that kind of action, even if it's without an edge, and that's why he gets backed off.

Now we have another poster who just has NFI

Amazing how so many of these worms come out of the woodwork presuming to know all about me

It's a bloody miracle that I've managed to survive at all if these knowitalls were anywhere near the mark with their worthless posts

But yes I do agree that followers of a tipping service are likely to suffer the fate you refer to.

[GoIrish682]

so tru

don t advertise the sruff you owant

[Hareeba!]

So you try to bet at these places and they decline and then change the odds? If so, I'd file a complaint.

and just had it happen again .. actually it was hardly a stale line being only 1 cent better than Pinnacle's but Luxbet refused to bet me 2.05 and reduced the odds immediately to 1.96 !

[underthe total]

are you calling in or using internet?

[Hareeba!]

are you calling in or using internet?

internet

[Harmy G]

Depending on the sport, WSEX lines can be very stale. Men's college hoops and beaver ball are the most stale. Of course, good luck ever getting a withdrawal from them.

[underthe total]

what do you mean they refused to bet you?

did they cancel plays?

[Hareeba!]

what do you mean they refused to bet you?

did they cancel a play?

on entering a wager the system puts you into delay mode and then comes back with an acceptance or, as in the cases I'm referring to the message "Bet rejected"

[Hareeba!]

and another ... Sportsbook.com.au declined my bet at 2.70 outright and reduced their odds to 2.60

[underthe total]

and another ... Sportsbook.com.au declined my bet at 2.70 outright and reduced their odds to 2.60

well thats because your account has been noted as someone passing steam.

i do not blame them.

if all you ever bet are lines that are moving and they are moving right when you are making the play this will happen.

if you are going to pass info, then you gotta get it earlier, maybe even overnight, so that they can use it instead of simply defending it.

[GoIrish682]

oh just fuk it allllllllllllll

[Hareeba!]

well thats because your account has been noted as someone passing steam.

i do not blame them.

if all you ever bet are lines that are moving and they are moving right when you are making the play this will happen.

if you are going to pass info, then you gotta get it earlier, maybe even overnight, so that they can use it instead of simply defending it.

steam ?

that's not my MO at all

the examples I've quoted are lines they had sitting up there for hours = stale

[underthe total]

yeah but what got you on a delay?

if you got put on a delay at a lot of places then its not betting stale lines.

stale lines will get you limited

there is somethign you are not telling

[Hareeba!]

yeah but what got you on a delay?

if you got put on a delay at a lot of places then its not betting stale lines.

stale lines will get you limited

there is somethign you are not telling

nothing I'm not telling

afaik every player, every bet is put through the delay (refer to trader) process at these books - I know it was like that from the very first bet I placed at Luxbet when they first opened up a couple of years back