[mikeanite]

why do some books still require you send doc for a cash out even when u're sending them cash, espeically 5dimes?

[Hareeba!]

why do some books still require you send doc for a cash out even when u're sending them cash, espeically 5dimes?

would you prefer they simply send your money to someone who may not be you?

[David]

They need to confirm your identity for security reasons.

[underthe total]

a lot of these books use services and the service companies require the docs not the books. if you get on a charge back list it will be difficult for you no matter what method

[horsiehung]

Always wondered this too...no way around docs from all Ive seen

[ItsOnly$$$]

Its also because of people opening up multiple accounts for the purpose of bonus abuse, circumventing limits, etc.

[mikeanite]

would you prefer they simply send your money to someone who may not be you?

bull, send it to the address they have on file... if the checks says my name, who else can get the money? i've seen many legit books that don't require docs. what are the books going to do with ur personal info if they go belly up? one thing they could do is sell all your personal information.

[mintpicks79]

This is standard operating procedure.

[Hareeba!]

This is standard operating procedure.

of course it is

I've not had a book fail to require docs in at least the past 5 years

I'd be very wary of any that don't

[bachngocduong]

no one ask me only BetJamaica ask for birthday bonus

[xKMACKx]

Never asked at 5Dimes, Matchbook, or Pinnacle. However I use ********** to deposit and withdraw.

[Johnnythunder]

if u use ** with greek do they need anything from you?

[runner5k]

I have always needed to show some verification of identity at the various books I have accounts with

[me-first]

I've never once been asked for id, but I've been with most of my "outs" for 10+ years..

[Hareeba!]

I've never once been asked for id, but I've been with most of my "outs" for 10+ years..

yes, things have certainly tightened up in more recent years

[Ruifgalmeida]

I deposit via Neteller or Moneybookers and 90% of bookies dont ask for documents

[leon]

5dimes, pinnacle,carib,and generally the American books never asked me any verification.

[Rollins08]

I think everybook does this. i've been to a few of them and everytime I've been asked for docs.

[scott235]

5dimes, pinnacle,carib,and generally the American books never asked me any verification.

I think a lot depends on how and how much you bet. For americans, DL with the # and DOB blacked out is the most I have ever done. Phone numbers attached to my name are absolutely out of the question. If checks are involved, must allow use of an alternate address (maildrop). Most, not all books are pretty cool about it as long as you are not the type of bettor that abuses their bonus structure (their terminology, not mine). Also, do not deposit with a cc. All of this has to be done before deposit and get it in writing. Also rec an additional password for payouts. Be honest, and upfront about it before you deposit, and don't ask for a payout the next week after you deposit. Be patient and wait a bit.

[NDIrish9]

It's simple.

They don't give a shit about your protection. The documents don't protect them, either.

BUT, if you can't provide the documentation, they don't have to pay you (because they have some bullshit clause when you deposit that you have to provide documentation in order to receive a payout......If they cared about their protection or yours, they would require the documents BEFORE processing a DEPOSIT.)

[Carloschihuahua]

It's simple.

They don't give a shit about your protection. The documents don't protect them, either.

BUT, if you can't provide the documentation, they don't have to pay you (because they have some bullshit clause when you deposit that you have to provide documentation in order to receive a payout......If they cared about their protection or yours, they would require the documents BEFORE processing a DEPOSIT.)

Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that if one book required documents before you can make a deposit, all players would move on to the book that require upon withdrawal and the first book would have no players at all?

Then if all the bookmakers requested before they process your deposit, it wouldn't make any difference except that the books had to waste more time on losing players which would result in More staff=Higher Expenses=Higher Juice. It's simple business.

[cappingsports]

would you prefer they simply send your money to someone who may not be you?

Exactly my thoughts. I'd rather play somewhere that took security 100% seriously and went through all the necessary checks to be satisfied they were paying me and not somebody else.

[venice2222]

i've used greek for years and always have to scan a copy of a utility bill if i change addresses.

[leon]

The better is to send them our documents before we deposit.

[Thremp]

of course it is

I've not had a book fail to require docs in at least the past 5 years

I'd be very wary of any that don't

Lying about playing at Pinnacle... again?

[Thremp]

Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that if one book required documents before you can make a deposit, all players would move on to the book that require upon withdrawal and the first book would have no players at all?

Then if all the bookmakers requested before they process your deposit, it wouldn't make any difference except that the books had to waste more time on losing players which would result in More staff=Higher Expenses=Higher Juice. It's simple business.

Being fair and clear about it is fine. ATTACKING WINNING PLAYERS is not. This is what is commonly done. See the Bet365 thread where someone wants a photo of a person holding their ID. Insanity.

Every book should allow you to verify before you deposit. And the requirements for verification should be clear.

[Stefan]

The last bookie who wants me to verify my identity didn't accept my scans. They wanted a higher resolution, but the resolution was quite high (400dpi). I think the support didn't realize that they could zoom into the picture. Then I sent them 600dpi scans which were cut around the picture and they accepted the scans.

[Scooter]

Being fair and clear about it is fine. ATTACKING WINNING PLAYERS is not. This is what is commonly done. See the Bet365 thread where someone wants a photo of a person holding their ID. Insanity.

Every book should allow you to verify before you deposit. And the requirements for verification should be clear.

+1.

If I want to get involved in any financial transaction EXCEPT offshore sportsbooks, all documents are presented WHEN OPENING the account, NOT when I wish to withdraw.

There is no excuse for doing it backwards, except as ND Irish 9 noted -

"It's simple.
They don't give a shit about your protection. The documents don't protect them, either.
BUT, if you can't provide the documentation, they don't have to pay you (because they have some bullshit clause when you deposit that you have to provide documentation in order to receive a payout......If they cared about their protection or yours, they would require the documents BEFORE processing a DEPOSIT.)"

Thremp - "And the requirements for verification should be clear."
This also. All should be stated up front and clearly in print on the website.
Players are instead routinely ambushed with document requirements which were never originally mentioned.

[Scooter]

Exactly my thoughts. I'd rather play somewhere that took security 100% seriously and went through all the necessary checks to be satisfied they were paying me and not somebody else.

If they're sending a check to the name and address that was used when opening the account, what is the danger?

There's more danger these days in providing picture ID unnecessarily.

[Hareeba!]

Lots of nonsense being posted in this thread.

I'm pretty certain that all books I play at make it clear up front that certain ID verification is required. In the UK and Australia for example it is required by law. In Australia a new customer has 90 days (or before making a withdrawal) to comply before his account is suspended.

Bet365 for example asks a new customer to confirm that he's accepting their terms which include age and ID (KYC) verification.

It surely is prudent for the customer to ensure he's attended to those requirements at his earliest opportunity to avoid delays when he wishes to withdraw. Grossly unfair to heap shit on the bookie for requiring you to comply with verification at that time if you haven't done what you should have earlier.

If you're not prepared to provide the ID documents required then don't proceed to make a deposit and play at the book.

[Scooter]

Hareeba! - " In the UK and Australia for example it is required by law."

That's a different situation - unfortunately Americans can't play at these, where the books are regulated and it's made clear I assume that is a legal requirement.
There I agree that one should be prepared to supply whatever is required (or not sign up).
Even so, it seems more professional to ask the player to supply the documents up front.
Why not make sure that the player can satisfy their requirements before the deposit is made?
Fairness dictates that neither side should be able to take a shot at the other - in this case, the book can't lose, but a player could.

For many books not in those venues there are no document requirements posted on the sites, and they are in countries which effectively don't regulate sportsbooks.

[Hareeba!]

Why not make sure that the player can satisfy their requirements before the deposit is made?

Then I could envisage a bucketload of complaints from people desperate to make a bet and not being able to pending ID verification.

For many books not in those venues there are no document requirements posted on the sites, and they are in countries which effectively don't regulate sportsbooks.

I don't know about that, not having to stoop to playing at those places.
Do you have an example or two?
Surely if that were the case it wouldn't be so difficult for a customer to ask what their requirements are ?

[juuso]

Most Central American books do not likely require ID checks by licensing body. They might do it for security purposes though. I've made 5000€+ Moneybookers and wire payouts from certain Costa Rican and Caribbean books without having to submit ID. I do not use ************ to deposit.

Maltese books are required to ask ID over certain amount and UK and Australian books will usually do it for even the lowest of amounts.

[Thremp]

Lots of nonsense being posted in this thread. I'm pretty certain that all books I play at make it clear up front that certain ID verification is required. In the UK and Australia for example it is required by law. In Australia a new customer has 90 days (or before making a withdrawal) to comply before his account is suspended. Bet365 for example asks a new customer to confirm that he's accepting their terms which include age and ID (KYC) verification. It surely is prudent for the customer to ensure he's attended to those requirements at his earliest opportunity to avoid delays when he wishes to withdraw. Grossly unfair to heap shit on the bookie for requiring you to comply with verification at that time if you haven't done what you should have earlier. If you're not prepared to provide the ID documents required then don't proceed to make a deposit and play at the book.

1) WHOOPS!
2) Have you read the Bet365 KYC? Its rofl. Seriously. You know nothing of what you say.
3) Why are you lying about Pinnacle still?

Providing a scan of a utility bill, providing an ID, providing CC information WHEN IT IS USED TO DEPOSIT RECENTLY, taking a phone call... all of these are fine. Taking a photo of yourself - NOT FINE. (That was Bet365.)

Most books violate this pretty hard. Domain Holdings Ltd is one of the best in this regard. (Sportsbook.com and what noobs call Jazette.)

[davidchong]

I deposit via Neteller or Moneybookers and 90% of bookies dont ask for documents

what sites?