[sharpcircle]

Situation:

I help my GF open an account at SIA, the account is open and she tries to deposit with moneybookers. A warning message comes up saying to contact support. She does this two days, later she gets an email stating:

Thank you for being a member of Sports Interaction.

Please allow us to take this opportunity to inform you that a decision has recently been made which affects your account's status.

We subscribe to a fraud monitoring network where online operators share information and based on the information that we received we have permanently closed your account.

This decision was made in accordance with our Terms & Conditions.
To review the Sports Interaction Terms & Conditions please click on the following link, or copy and paste the web address into your browser’s address bar:
http://www.sportsinteraction.com/spo...nd-conditions/


We are both wondering why/how this can happen and if there is any recourse.

[SBR Lou]

Sharp,

Have either you or your g/f disputed a gaming charge before?

If not, if you have an SIA account and have accessed it from the same machine that you helped your g/f open an account on, they may have flagged it as a multiple account from that household and shut it down.

[Justin7]

Save yourself a headache. If you have already been tossed from SIA, don't try gnoming in. SIA has gotten much better at catching duplicate accounts.

If you and your girlfriend shared an IP address or computer, you likely set of alarms. If you two have had accounts somewhere else, and been ID'd, you might be in a "Blackbook" database of undesirables.

[sharpcat]

the extent that some will go to in order to continue to play at SIA.

[d2bets]

Hopefully your girlfriend won't break up with you for effectively preventing her from playing at the most beatable book in the world.

[sharpcircle]

Lou,

No never disputed anything.

Justin7,

We have not shared an IP but i assume we have shared a computer in the past. That being said, is there no way to prove it is her (shes real) and get the account opened? (also good book but next time make sure you get amazon to ship to canada it was annoying getting it)

sharpcat,

I am not sure why you are implying. I have been limited from SIA and no longer play there. My girlfriend on the other hand is very dissapointed she will not get to bet on the soft lines I told her about.

[Trident]

Lou, No never disputed anything. Justin7, We have not shared an IP but i assume we have shared a computer in the past. That being said, is there no way to prove it is her (shes real) and get the account opened?

Likely got nabbed with ieSnare if you two shared same PC.

[Marauders]

sharpcat,

I am not sure why you are implying. I have been limited from SIA and no longer play there. My girlfriend on the other hand is very dissapointed she will not get to bet on the soft lines I told her about.

There lies the reason why your girlfriend's account being closed. Yes, the account is in your girlfriend's name but you are the one effectively controlling the account. Since you have proven to be unprofitable for SIA, they are not going to give you a 2nd chance of beating them.

[d2bets]

There lies the reason why your girlfriend's account being closed. Yes, the account is in your girlfriend's name but you are the one effectively controlling the account. Since you have proven to be unprofitable for SIA, they are not going to give you a 2nd chance of beating them.

How do you know that he's effectively controlling the account? Is this some sort of sexist notion that he owns his girlfriend? Seems like it could very well be that she's her own person, likes to gamble and wants to open an account at SIA. Of course, they're free not to bar her if they wish, but that doesn't mean he's controlling the account.

I'd say mr. sharpcircle might be in hot water with his GF. Chocolate and flowers usually helps.

[pjesnik24]

I must say that I am impressed by SIA with this. I really wish all the bookies check all the data BEFORE the first deposit has been made and not when the customer asks for a payout.

[sharpcircle]

There lies the reason why your girlfriend's account being closed. Yes, the account is in your girlfriend's name but you are the one effectively controlling the account. Since you have proven to be unprofitable for SIA, they are not going to give you a 2nd chance of beating them.

She just saw all the monies I had and wanted some. Just doesn't seem fair to ban her as no fraud is taking place.

To all who are worried about my relationship with her, worry not.

I told her it was her fault.

[sharpcat]

How do you know that he's effectively controlling the account? Is this some sort of sexist notion that he owns his girlfriend? Seems like it could very well be that she's her own person, likes to gamble and wants to open an account at SIA. Of course, they're free not to bar her if they wish, but that doesn't mean he's controlling the account.

I'd say mr. sharpcircle might be in hot water with his GF. Chocolate and flowers usually helps.

Because it is SIA we are talking about here and a quick glance at his posting history suggests that he is the type of player who would have been asked to leave. Definately not the first time that SIA would have seen a players girlfriend join within days of her boyfriend being severely limited and quickly start following his exact same beting pattern.

Maybe he is not controlling the GF's account but SIA has a right to deny her action. Guys have been pulling these stunts for years to multi account in order to circumvent betting limits, gonna have to be a lot craftier if you plan on bearding accounts books do not like this.

[KEdge2k]

Please. You got limited and are trying to open a second account that, we all know, you will control even though its under your the name of "girlfriend".

And you are surprised or upset this "new" account was shown the door?

[sharpcircle]

Because it is SIA we are talking about here and a quick glance at his posting history suggests that he is the type of player who would have been asked to leave. Definately not the first time that SIA would have seen a players girlfriend join within days of her boyfriend being severely limited and quickly start following his exact same beting pattern.

Maybe he is not controlling the GF's account but SIA has a right to deny her action. Guys have been pulling these stunts for years to multi account in order to circumvent betting limits, gonna have to be a lot craftier if you plan on bearding accounts books do not like this.

She did not place a single bet. They instantly closed the account.

Its a legitimate account that she set up on her behalf. SIA can choose to not accept her action, I was just seeing if there was anyway to over turn these types of decisions as she can do whatever to verify. (Remember they stated fraud in the email and no fraud took place)

[sharpcircle]

Please. You got limited and are trying to open a second account that, we all know, you will control even though its under your the name of "girlfriend".

And you are surprised or upset this "new" account was shown the door?

I'm neither surprised or upset. If your still concerned about my thoughts, I would say I'm mostly confused and interested in this decision by SIA.

[durito]

Yea they will surely over turn their decision to not give you more money.

Learn something, try again.

[RED]

Situation:

I help my GF open an account at SIA, the account is open and she tries to deposit with moneybookers. A warning message comes up saying to contact support. She does this two days, later she gets an email stating:

Thank you for being a member of Sports Interaction.

Please allow us to take this opportunity to inform you that a decision has recently been made which affects your account's status.

We subscribe to a fraud monitoring network where online operators share information and based on the information that we received we have permanently closed your account.

This decision was made in accordance with our Terms & Conditions.
To review the Sports Interaction Terms & Conditions please click on the following link, or copy and paste the web address into your browser’s address bar:
http://www.sportsinteraction.com/spo...nd-conditions/


We are both wondering why/how this can happen and if there is any recourse.

If you did it at your house and you have a account as well, that could be why it happend just call tell them what happened. If you guys live together its a good idea to email the book first asking if its ok with them if you do that. Some will say yes, and some will tell you no.

[Santo]

Curious how you may have shared a computer, but definitely didn't share an IP -- no internet access?

[SBR Lou]

Curious how you may have shared a computer, but definitely didn't share an IP -- no internet access?

He may have taken his laptop over to her house.

The thread provides a colorful example of what happens after some players get limited or booted at a sportsbook. Double dipping gets messy if the sportsbook in question doesn't spot the second account before any damage is done, but fortunately, SIA has improved their multi-account recognition as Justin touched on in his post.

[Santo]

True. Books are often looking at MAC addresses rather than IP these days it seems, so same computer would be enough. Either way, not much to see here, book acting as we'd want them to (pre-emptively).

[neverstoppers23]

If it has to deal with sharing the same IP address, that shouldn't be a problem at all. Just call them up, and they will just ask for both of your I.D's and it shouldn't be a problem again. I went through this on bodog, because my brother likes to play poker, and occasionaly bet on sports. And IMO bodog was the best option, just call them or chat with them on chat.

[Teddy_KGB]

The MAC adresses are not visible, the bookies can get only the IP adress, browser type, screen resolution, etc. Maybe the poster did not empty the cookies, or SIA uses iesnare.

[Marauders]

How do you know that he's effectively controlling the account? Is this some sort of sexist notion that he owns his girlfriend? Seems like it could very well be that she's her own person, likes to gamble and wants to open an account at SIA. Of course, they're free not to bar her if they wish, but that doesn't mean he's controlling the account.

I'd say mr. sharpcircle might be in hot water with his GF. Chocolate and flowers usually helps.

This has nothing to do with the sexist notion. It could have been OP's brother, friend, parents...anyone. Think about it, If the girlfriend is so interested in having an account at SIA and bet independently, why didn't she open an account when the OP's account have not yet been limited? Or do you think she decides one day that she wants to bet at a place where her boyfriend had won a bunch of money, coincidentally after her bf's account have been limited. If you believe in the latter, then you are entitle to your opinion.

[FreeFall]

Did you share an IP, did you share a subnet, did you share a computer, do you live in the same house? These are rather simple ways to tell if you are trying to fraud them.

Not to mention is it really worth it? They let you get 10k at most these days before the kick. Try Grandmother next time.

[nyplayer33]

This is quite interesting, I have tried to log into my account and it says my account is banned from usa territory..I already have a balance and place bets there weekly..now I have to call them later

[wtt0315]

i am curious, would she have opened an account if yours would not of been limited or would she use yours? Is she opening a seperate account just because yours is limited or would she have done it while yours was not limited?

[Santo]

The MAC adresses are not visible, the bookies can get only the IP adress, browser type, screen resolution, etc. Maybe the poster did not empty the cookies, or SIA uses iesnare.

MAC addresses can be obtained with some basic javascript, if the user's browser security settings are not high. You obtain it clientside then send it back to the server.

I think ActiveX controls can do the same.

Either way, the point is that IP address isn't the only identifier they use.

[mikeyg]

SIA is a joke anyway so don`t sweat it and play at a more reputable book

[michael_li]

Shouldnt be in the right of the books to let the customers play in their books or not? I mean if SIA wanted to close your GFs account and she hasnt even put any deposit on it or wager any bet, I think the sportsbook has the right to close the account if they feel they dont want your business, just move on and go to another book, there are plenty of books out.

[sharpcircle]

Shouldnt be in the right of the books to let the customers play in their books or not? I mean if SIA wanted to close your GFs account and she hasnt even put any deposit on it or wager any bet, I think the sportsbook has the right to close the account if they feel they dont want your business, just move on and go to another book, there are plenty of books out.

SIA can choose to not accept her action

Read better.

[sharpcircle]

The facts of my situation are what confuse/worry me. I still don't see how they connect me and her. The part I fail to comprehend is this, I know we are connected but how does SIA have any idea.


Facts:
Never signed in at SIA account on gfs computer/ip
We have shared a computer (but not a computer that signed into my SIA account)
Result:
They somehow connect the two accounts?

[durito]

Has your GF bet at other online sportsbooks?

[sideloaded]

The facts of my situation are what confuse/worry me. I still don't see how they connect me and her. The part I fail to comprehend is this, I know we are connected but how does SIA have any idea.


Facts:
Never signed in at SIA account on gfs computer/ip
We have shared a computer (but not a computer that signed into my SIA account)
Result:
They somehow connect the two accounts?

moneybookers probably outed you.

[sharpcircle]

Has your GF bet at other online sportsbooks?

she has not

[Trident]

We have shared a computer (but not a computer that signed into my SIA account)

Result: They somehow connect the two accounts?

If you used her computer to sign in at a book that has ieSnare that computer is in ieSnare's database which would have alerted SIA the first time you used it at SIA even under her name.