[trixtrix]

wasn't it j7 (maybe i'm confused on this) who once stated "a leopard does not change its spots"?

[trixtrix]

wasn't it j7 (maybe i'm confused on this) who once stated "a leopard does not change its spots"?

actually it was casinomeister: http://www.casinomeister.com/philosophy.php

"If it's a situation of unethical behavior, then that's not so simple. My experience with dealing with rogue behaviour has illustrated that a leopard doesn't change it's spots. When a casino has an ethically challenged management or business approach, then this is something that rarely changes. Ethics are the foundations of a business; if there is something rotten in the cellar, the whole building stinks. These companies usually find themselves permanent residents of the pit."

[HedgeHog]

[quote=Justin7;10168417]I wouldn't classify BP as a "fringe crook book". But at risk of opening myself up, what did I post about BP that was false? Or Sportsbook.com for that matter?

Would you play with Sportsbook.com if they cleared up the past CP and multi-brand disputes? Where would you rate them, if that happened?[/quote]

I certainly would play there and approve of an A rating for them.

I'd also gladly refer my friends the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Big Foot if this fairy tale were to transpire.

[Killakrzydav]

[quote=HedgeHog;10168613]

I wouldn't classify BP as a "fringe crook book". But at risk of opening myself up, what did I post about BP that was false? Or Sportsbook.com for that matter?

Would you play with Sportsbook.com if they cleared up the past CP and multi-brand disputes? Where would you rate them, if that happened?[/quote]

I certainly would play there and approve of an A rating for them.

I'd also gladly refer my friends the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Big Foot if this fairy tale were to transpire.

[Thremp]

You watch your friend rape/kill a woman. You keep your mouth shut. Are you a fuckhead?

You watch your company deceive players to make money. You keep your mouth shut. Are you a fuckhead?

[louis]

I would not give them an A rating. A ratings are for sportsbooks that do not take this long to resolve disputes. A's should be earned over a long period of time and not used as a reward for settling one specific dispute.

[Justin7]

You watch your friend rape/kill a woman. You keep your mouth shut. Are you a fuckhead?

You watch your company deceive players to make money. You keep your mouth shut. Are you a fuckhead?

Ok, Thremp, put on your show. How has SBR deceived players regarding BP?

[Justin7]

You watch your friend rape/kill a woman. You keep your mouth shut. Are you a fuckhead?

You watch your company deceive players to make money. You keep your mouth shut. Are you a fuckhead?

And, once again, I ask you what I asked you earlier: "What did I post about BP that was false? Or Sportsbook.com for that matter?"

[GETMONEYKID]

And, once again, I ask you what I asked you earlier: "What did I post about BP that was false? Or Sportsbook.com for that matter?"

Justin,

Were you involved in this recent dispute that had nothing to do with correlated parlays and is still unresolved?
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...ng-player.html

If not, could you have your jazette contact from the recent Allstar case you mediated take a look at it?

[robertg]

I'm sure justin has a level of familiarity with SB.com that he doesn't have with most books, simply because of the sheer volume of disputes arising out of this chicken shit operation.

[Justin7]

Justin,

Were you involved in this recent dispute that had nothing to do with correlated parlays and is still unresolved?
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...ng-player.html

If not, could you have your jazette contact from the recent Allstar case you mediated take a look at it?

I searched my archives, and I don't think I handled this one. I have handled similar ones though (where players get mugged for playing at sister sites), and found in favor of the players. The recommendations to pay the players were ignored in those cases involving Jazette.

[Thremp]

Ok, Thremp, put on your show. How has SBR deceived players regarding BP?

The slowpay debacle and casual timing of pulled advertising and the subsequent increase in the publicity of slowpay complaints is easy for anyone to see.

And, once again, I ask you what I asked you earlier: "What did I post about BP that was false? Or Sportsbook.com for that matter?"

Did you miss the part about how there are sins of omission in addition to commission? That was rhetorical, but its quite clear you're either being disingenuous or actually don't understand how watching someone defraud someone else is unethical.

Considering your ongoing slide as of the last ~12 months, and culminating in the 5Dimes trainwreck (which you have seemingly avoided commentary on, much like the SBR v GRUMPERZ case and the variety of other issues where you knowingly squelched your desire for honesty in favor of $$$$$) there isn't really much to be said about your opinion.

[Justin7]

The slowpay debacle and casual timing of pulled advertising and the subsequent increase in the publicity of slowpay complaints is easy for anyone to see.



Did you miss the part about how there are sins of omission in addition to commission? That was rhetorical, but its quite clear you're either being disingenuous or actually don't understand how watching someone defraud someone else is unethical.

Considering your ongoing slide as of the last ~12 months, and culminating in the 5Dimes trainwreck (which you have seemingly avoided commentary on, much like the SBR v GRUMPERZ case and the variety of other issues where you knowingly squelched your desire for honesty in favor of $$$$$) there isn't really much to be said about your opinion.

<Insert random platitudes about honesty/trustworthiness/etc>

So "sins of omission" now amount to touting books? That's quite a stretch.

I commented on 5dimes. In the casino disputes, the correct decisions were reached if you use U.S. contract law as a guide. That has always been how I have approached casino and sportsbook disputes, regardless of whether or not it makes one popular. Outside of the individual disputes, there are bigger issues with 5dimes that I have raised.

I would have handled the Grumperz case differently... But I have so much on my plate, I don't really have time to immerse myself in disputes where I have no involvement.

[Kindred]

Good to hear Justin7, seriously it helps players make better more informed decisions if a low rated book is doing the right things. Thanks

[SprayBoy]

Just to add my 2 cents, I started playing there about 2 years, have never had a single issue with them. Both this year and last year during hockey playoffs won about 2500 and they always paid. This year they got a new processor in Canada I believe as payouts take less than 3 days via checks. I'm sure people aren't making up their problems with sportsbook before, but I have never had one, and beyond that they are the best book for bonuses everyday. They even gave me 100$ for spotting a bad line.

Of course, once I found out about this site, i heard about pinnacle, and play mostly there now as sportsbook just doesnt have the lines to compete, but i still leave a little in sportsbook for prop betting and they've been nothing but great to me for 2 years.

[durito]

Still think Sportsbetting/Win4real/Racebook are part of jazette?

[Justin7]

Still think Sportsbetting/Win4real/Racebook are part of jazette?

I can confirm that those books have a different contact.

[durito]

I can confirm that those books have a different contact.

Would you like to take bake the infractions you gave me for telling you that months ago?


Any word on RickySteve's 150k?

[Justin7]

Would you like to take bake the infractions you gave me for telling you that months ago?


Any word on RickySteve's 150k?

You received infractions for something else.

I'm afraid RickySteve is still on the mugged list.

[runner5k]

I joined there a log time ago and just leave a small amount in there to compare lines with other books though just cashed out a decent amount (thanks Lang) and we'll see how long it takes to get paid if at and I'll post it in the payout reports

[LordVodka]

What does CP mean?

[HedgeHog]

Correlated Parlays.

[robmpink]

What does CP mean?

cookie puss.

[RickySteve]

I'm still unclear why sportsbook.com's theft from me was never written up on the front page here.

[Monte]

Wow...iam at a loss about what J7 wants to achieve with such a thread.
The best man here at sbr imo, but sometimes he has his crappy moments.

[Dr.Gonzo]

wasn't it j7 (maybe i'm confused on this) who once stated "a leopard does not change its spots"?

I think in this case "a shit leopard can't change its spots" is more apt.

[Dr.Gonzo]

cookie puss.

Pussy crumbs, what are pussy crumbs?

[dialup_king]

They took 9k of mine due to CPs. SB.con confiscated all winning CPs and refused to refund losing CPs--basically stealing my entire account. Only one Jazette book I trust today--BetUSA (B-).

If BetUSA is owned by the same people as every other Jazzette, why would you trust them?

[Justin7]

Wow...iam at a loss about what J7 wants to achieve with such a thread.
The best man here at sbr imo, but sometimes he has his crappy moments.

Share information, especially when it goes against what people generally think. It may not change the credibility of a book, but it is more information for posters to use.

[Justin7]

I'm still unclear why sportsbook.com's theft from me was never written up on the front page here.

I agree it is newsworthy. I don't control the news.

[HedgeHog]

If BetUSA is owned by the same people as every other Jazzette, why would you trust them?

BetUSA did not take part in the massive Jazette thefts. Instead they chose to deal fairly in all client disputes, even those involving CPs. For that, they have steadily climbed in the SBR ratings to B-. Makes them worthy of my trust.

[Thremp]

Giving a skewed view of a book when you have a vested financial interest is pretty clearly unethical. Advertising dollars pay your check (unless you're a volunteer). You apparently don't seem to think anything is unethical about this. That should worry anyone who considers your credibility.

Its comical that you don't have "time" to deal with the GRUMPERZ case when its the sportsbook that you have some hand in operating and the company you work for robbing players. I guess you're too busy writing posts about books who routinely thieve to drum up additional income for your company to deal with petty issues like your company thieving.

PS: Should we review the Domain Holdings Ltd thread where you repeatedly called my comments ridiculous and accused me of a variety of transgressions simply because you were misled and continually misleading others on that topic? They don't just have a different contact. They're entirely different companies and located/regulated in entirely separate parts of the world. Its simple knowledge of an industry that you claim to be an expert about, yet you don't even know what company was being discussed.

Perhaps you can link it for teh lulz.

[Justin7]

Giving a skewed view of a book when you have a vested financial interest is pretty clearly unethical. Advertising dollars pay your check (unless you're a volunteer). You apparently don't seem to think anything is unethical about this. That should worry anyone who considers your credibility.

Its comical that you don't have "time" to deal with the GRUMPERZ case when its the sportsbook that you have some hand in operating and the company you work for robbing players. I guess you're too busy writing posts about books who routinely thieve to drum up additional income for your company to deal with petty issues like your company thieving.

PS: Should we review the Domain Holdings Ltd thread where you repeatedly called my comments ridiculous and accused me of a variety of transgressions simply because you were misled and continually misleading others on that topic? They don't just have a different contact. They're entirely different companies and located/regulated in entirely separate parts of the world. Its simple knowledge of an industry that you claim to be an expert about, yet you don't even know what company was being discussed.

Perhaps you can link it for teh lulz.

Ok Thremp. Once again, I ask you to make your case. What view did I skew? And please, stick to facts, not speculation or unfounded argument.

Feel free to review Domain Holdings Ltd (I don't remember, or care what it is, but you can argue it). Does this thread supposedly attack my ethics also? Or just random sniping?

Thremp, perhaps you should start your own review site, and you can teach ethics by example.

[raiders72001]

RS- Were you using multiple Jazzette books? I can't see you leaving $150k in just one of them.

[raiders72001]

Are there rules against using more that one Jazzette book?