[NobodyUKnow]

Why is it that every player who has one of these beefs has a sketchy history of past-postings or chargebacks or bonus-whoring or something else that is not on the up and up.....?

Because they are looking for every edge or shortcut possible and think they are smarter than the book/casino? They justify in their own minds that most games are "rigged" or the "vig is too high" and think that means they can do whatever? Who knows? The same mentality sometimes creeps into places like SleazyStreet and other scam outfits.

Unfortunately, the 5D casino seems to operate on the same principle and some of their players are smarter than Tony, which isn't saying much. Tony=good linesman, that's all. When you throw a +EV game up in your casino, only an idiot doesn't realize that it's a bot-magnet. If you're lucky like 5D was, you'll get a greedy player who has a horribly scripted bot he probably bought for $20 Web$ that exposes him and nullifies his winnings or a player like Tackleberry you can just simply screw over and SBR will agree with you, but you still get tons of bad PR and look really stupid and not like a place to trust with your money.

[Djstucky]

I think Easystreet deserves an upgrade now.

Have they met the quota for faulty software Issues and screwed over enough players???

[soxwin1917]

TB seems like an honest guy and just because he takes shots at a book (placing past-post horse bets, knowingly taking advantage of this game) doesn't mean he's a bad guy. However I have to agree with SBR on their decision. This game was like betting the DAL/OKC game tonight AFTER IT ENDED. There was no way to lose.

[kero214]

Letter to Bill

This is very disappointing that SBR "claims" to be unbiased and here for the players. I was the #1 fan of SBR seeing how they went to war for players to help them get there money, but to see how they bitch up when it comes to Tony and 5dimes (there sponsor) makes me sick to my stomach. SBR had a chance to prove that they truly are unbiased, which is what we all were hoping for, but they folded like a cheap suit. Bill do you realize how many SBR members that were defending you that you have disappointed? I now put SBR in the same category as all the other Sportsbook Affiliate sites that "claim" to be unbiased, but are ultimately here to protect there sponsors.

[Art Vandeleigh]

I feel very uneasy about keeping significant amounts of money at 5D because of this Tony fellow. Call it A+ if you want, but if I'm feeling uneasy about keeping money there, it's of little use to me.

[Counterfeit Cash]

most unfortunate....

[iceminers26]

Letter to Bill This is very disappointing that SBR "claims" to be unbiased and here for the players. I was the #1 fan of SBR seeing how they went to war for players to help them get there money, but to see how they bitch up when it comes to Tony and 5dimes (there sponsor) makes me sick to my stomach. SBR had a chance to prove that they truly are unbiased, which is what we all were hoping for, but they folded like a cheap suit. Bill do you realize how many SBR members that were defending you that you have disappointed? I now put SBR in the same category as all the other Sportsbook Affiliate sites that "claim" to be unbiased, but are ultimately here to protect there sponsors.

Well said, I too always held SBR as the industry standard because I thought they actually were here for the player and even though they receive money from sponsors (which is needed to run this site), they always seemed to truly be here for the players' best interest. However after this ruling and pretty much all of last week in general, I know longer have this assurance that SBR is here for the player and when it comes to advertising dollars, they speak louder than making the correct call. A very sad to day to say the least. I guess that SBR is a Horror thread that we were all mocking the poster for creating wasn't so far off, wish I felt differently, but hard to after what has gone down of late.

[kero214]

Well said, I too always held SBR as the industry standard because I thought they actually were here for the player and even though they receive money from sponsors (which is needed to run this site), they always seemed to truly be here for the players' best interest. However after this ruling and pretty much all of last week in general, I know longer have this assurance that SBR is here for the player and when it comes to advertising dollars, they speak louder than making the correct call. A very sad to day to say the least. I guess that SBR is a Horror thread that we were all mocking the poster for creating wasn't so far off, wish I felt differently, but hard to after what has gone down of late.

We all understand that there must be sponsors as you gotta get your money. That was the reason we respected SBR so much was because even though they had sponsors, they still found a way to be truly unbiased. It seems they have forgotten the reason they were so respected.

[runner5k]

Well now hopefully everyone will stick clear of 5Dimes casino and everyone has seen the true nature of Tony...not that he is a God but he is a ******* Stuckup Piece of Shit!

[Intuitive_Edge]

$320 free play is a slap in the face. I wouldn't have taken that. I would rather tell them to shove it

Was gonna say the same especially after seeing a 17.5x rollover. That has to be some sort of fuking joke

[horja1]

This casino issue closest resembles a bad line with an extra zero or maybe more so a line left up well into the game. It was an obvious gross error. Except in this case, there was no funds at risk or chance of losing. You could play this game by just hitting deal and win. It was closer to an ATM than a game of chance. Outside of the argument that a book should pay for its mistakes, there is nothing that suggest the player risked, earned, or won money playing this game.

I wonder what would happen if someone would discover that 5Dimes has a casino game with a 20% payout (instead of a, let's say, 90% declared payout) running for a few years, being the opposite of a ATM machine - would 5Dimes payback all the players that lost money on that machine?

[louis]

I agree with SBR on this issue, however an A+ book should have A+ software. 5 Dimes software is not A+ with all these problems and they deserve a downgrade.

[Dark Horse]

SBR's decision is not only accurate, but it protects the player(s).

Tackleberry played for a couple of hours and turned 50 bucks into 32K. Had he played for another two hours at that same ratio he would have turned his original 50 into 20 million....


That could very well have broken 5D. And anybody playing there could have kissed their money goodbye.

I understand the 'need' of players to side with players. But you're really not siding with players in this case. You're siding with one shot taker, at the cost of every single honest player at 5D.

[RickySteve]

Sounds like 5Dimes got some real cheap consulting from some not-so-savvy people.

[Dr.Gonzo]

SBR's decision is not only accurate, but it protects the player(s).

Tackleberry played for a couple of hours and turned 50 bucks into 32K. Had he played for another two hours at that same ratio he would have turned his original 50 into 20 million....


That could very well have broken 5D. And anybody playing there could have kissed their money goodbye.

I understand the 'need' of players to side with players. But you're really not siding with players in this case. You're siding with one shot taker, at the cost of every single honest player at 5D.

What if a player ran well and broke a sportsbook through what you would consider "fair" casino play.

Should said sportsbook steal the player's balance because it protects the other players?

The greater good is not always the moral course of action.

[lt56]

Good decision. Shot takers deserve nothing. Next time call the book and get some free plays. 5Dimes needs to take a step back and fix their casino.

[Dark Horse]

My point was not about the greater good, Gonzo. As mentioned in the other thread, the error was such that another 4 hours of play would have run up the balance to 13 billion. No other term for this than shot taking. Unfortunately, once the 'masses' have (quickly) made up their minds, they lose the ability to think and, especially if they see they're in the majority, will bring out the pitchforks rather than calmly and individually review the accuracy of their position. This forum wasn't always this uninformed. But today it stands revealed for what it is. SBR made the simple decision regardless of the predictable backlash.

[warriorfan707]

They don't want to pay fair enough. It was a glitch.

But if you still have them rated as A+ after this you are worse than 5dimes SBR

[Dr.Gonzo]

My point was not about the greater good, Gonzo. As mentioned in the other thread, the error was such that another 4 hours of play would have run up the balance to 13 billion. No other term for this than shot taking. Unfortunately, once the 'masses' have (quickly) made up their minds, they lose the ability to think and, especially if they see they're in the majority, will bring out the pitchforks rather than calmly and individually review the accuracy of their position. This forum wasn't always this uninformed. But today it stands revealed for what it is. SBR made the simple decision regardless of the predictable backlash.

Your original assert is he is a shot taker.

The previous argument was nothing but spin which I exposed.

[barcelonafc]

5dimes should be downgraded, deffo not A+

[Jim Morrison]

Bernie Madoff is wishing it was SBR who passed judgement on him rather than the courts. Afterall, he just made some mistakes. Dark Horse agrees since anyone who invested with Mr Madoff was an obvious "shot taker".

[Santo]

I wonder what would happen if someone would discover that 5Dimes has a casino game with a 20% payout (instead of a, let's say, 90% declared payout) running for a few years, being the opposite of a ATM machine - would 5Dimes payback all the players that lost money on that machine?

That is indeed the interesting question, though I am sure there have been gambling games (street lotteries?) that have similarly low payouts...

A more pertinent question may be if a game that was due to pay out 95% was actually paying out 20% through input error, and you'd hope in that case they would be compelled to refund.

[skrtelfan]

But the "standard" JoB game pays 99.54%, so the various 95% slot games etc. are about equally "bad" when considering the volume that those games probably get relative to the amount of volume 5D took on the 390% game. One guy winning 32k at a 390% game offsets the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, people have lost in 5D's casino playing -EV games.

[Dark Horse]

lol, Gonzo. What did you expose? That I don't take people very serious who believe the shot taker should be paid, while playing at an advantage that would have rung up 13 billion US dollars in 6 hours of play?


Online casinos can and will cheat players. May as well take it for granted. Doesn't mean that a player who cheats the casino is thereby evening the score. Only means that you're better off at a real casino.

[LVHerbie]

As I pointed out in the other thread I would agree that the player was clearly a shot taker and doesn't deserve 32k. As others have pointed here I think the more important question is should 5dimes maintain its A+ rating. Based on SBR's definition of A books being the "elite, top 1% of all Sportsbooks, Guaranteed safety & quality" I think the answer is clearly no.While SBR has maintained a standard of lowering the grades (and losing ad dollars) when the safety at book becomes a question if a downgrade isn't received for repeated horrendous and avoidable mistakes such as these it would it be hard not to perceive how revenue money isn't allowing this book to get a pass on second supposed expectation.

While, ultimately, it isn't likely that players are going to get hurt by 5dimes undeserved rating it is definitely doing damage the SBR's own reputation by continuing to leave a book as poorly managed as 5dimes with the same rating as books like cris and pinnacle...

[warriorfan707]

not sure why everyone is calling him a "shot taker"

term does not fit here

He took advantage of an oversight

[LVHerbie]

Strictly in terms of safety I think most reasonable posters would have a hard time deciding which A+ book (5dimes, betcris, pinnacle, betjamaica, greek, and legendz) is the worst but if one judged based on quality it is pretty clear which is a stinker...

[Dark Horse]

As I pointed out in the other thread I would agree that the player was clearly a shot taker and doesn't deserve 32k. As others have pointed here I think the more important question is should 5dimes maintain its A+ rating. Based on SBR's definition of A books being the "elite, top 1% of all Sportsbooks, Guaranteed safety & quality" I think the answer is clearly no.While SBR has maintained a standard of lowering the grades (and losing ad dollars) when the safety at book becomes a question if a downgrade isn't received for repeated horrendous and avoidable mistakes such as these it would it be hard not to perceive how revenue money isn't allowing this book to get a pass on second supposed expectation.

While, ultimately, it isn't likely that players are going to get hurt by 5dimes undeserved rating it is definitely doing damage the SBR's own reputation by continuing to leave a book as poorly managed as 5dimes with the same rating as books like cris and pinnacle...

The recent casino mess is not A+. No question about it. I appreciate that SBR is basing their trust in 5D on long term confidence, but a slight downgrade from A+ to A, as a preventative measure, would do much to maintain credibility. Then, if the casino blunders continued, another slight downgrade to A-. At this point, Tony's word that the casino mess is in the past is just not good enough. He needs to show it. Actions speak louder than words.

[Tackleberry]

I would like to just touch on a few subjects. For the most part I am your average -EV sportsbettor. I have used 5Dimes as one of my outs sporadically over the past several years. I used their racebook a fair bit, at one point I noticed that they were still taking bets on races that ended many hours earlier, I did make a few bets, they were voided as they should have been. I was clearly in the wrong, I believe that was in 2008. Since that incident I played on and off with 5dimes losing several hundred dollars as your average -EV guy will generally do.

In bills statement he says I had years on inactivity, this is not completely accurate. My play with 5Dimes was certainly not consistent but my last deposit was in Feb of 2011. I made the deposit to make a number of bets on the Strikeforce MMA event as 5Dimes allows mma parlays. I lost those bets.

With this incident my thoughts are I was playing a game they offered, I was playing by their rules and the software was functioning as it was supposed to. People may differ on their views of me or the situation as a whole and that is fine with me. However I hope that people also realize I have done nothing but present the facts with regards to this case.

[Dark Horse]

With this incident my thoughts are I was playing a game they offered, I was playing by their rules and the software was functioning as it was supposed to. People may differ on their views of me or the situation as a whole and that is fine with me. However I hope that people also realize I have done nothing but present the facts with regards to this case.

If you knew you were playing by the rules, why didn't you ring up the score to a couple of million or more? A few more hours of honest play, and you'd be set. Why did you walk away from that if you did nothing wrong?

[Jim Morrison]

lol, Gonzo. What did you expose? That I don't take people very serious who believe the shot taker should be paid, while playing at an advantage that would have rung up 13 billion US dollars in 6 hours of play?


Online casinos can and will cheat players. May as well take it for granted. Doesn't mean that a player who cheats the casino is thereby evening the score. Only means that you're better off at a real casino.

I don't understand this "shot taker" term. It's pretty much one of the dumbest things I've ever heard a gambler say and that's saying a lot. The casino offers unique games. They brag about that some of their games are player advantage. They offer a ridiculous paytable, now maybe they put the paytable wrong or maybe they flunked math, but they offered the game in their casino along with other positive games. Who wouldn't play it? 5 Dimes is ROGUE until they pay and SBR's rep is going to slip doing to the corrupt levels of Casinomeister if they keep making rulings like this in the favor of advertisers.

[Jim Morrison]

If you knew you were playing by the rules, why didn't you ring up the score to a couple of million or more? A few more hours of honest play, and you'd be set. Why did you walk away from that if you did nothing wrong?

Your logic is retarded. Because he didn't hit them for more he cheated? No, he knew that 5 Dimes is shady and there was a good chance of getting stiffed. He stopped at an amount that he thought maybe they'd pay. He got ****** first by Tony and 5 Dimes now by SBR.

[Tackleberry]

If you knew you were playing by the rules, why didn't you ring up the score to a couple of million or more? A few more hours of honest play, and you'd be set. Why did you walk away from that if you did nothing wrong?

Because I was extremely tired from working 10-12hrs a day 7 days a week, I also knew this situation was probably to good to true and that getting any money was not a sure thing, that has nothing to do with me being in the wrong, that has to do with 5Dimes protecting themselves for being incompetent.

[Dark Horse]

Mr. Mojo, funny how you can't link shot taker to a post pointing out that the player would have been up 13 billion in 6 hours.

Know what Jim said? "I drink, so I can talk with assholes."

[Dark Horse]

Because I was extremely tired from working 10-12hrs a day 7 days a week, I also knew this situation was probably to good to true and that getting any money was not a sure thing, that has nothing to do with me being in the wrong, that has to do with 5Dimes protecting themselves for being incompetent.

C'mon. A shot at a few million and you're too tired? Not buying. You're smooth, though.