[Counterfeit Cash]

Answer the man.

I'm curious to know as well.

[trixtrix]

Quick response from TrixTrix( and I didn't even mention any names in my original comment). The truth must really hurt. Funds confiscated by at least 4 different sportsbooks. I have been in this game over 10 years and never once was not paid or had funds confisicated. Why do all of these books pick on poor TrixTrix. Duh???

2 books, all D rated: hollywood and wagerweb. since you can't seem to put together a coherent sentence, nor a coherent thought, you (wagerweb) and hollywood deserves each other in the D scumbags' row, here let me bump the wagerweb complaint for you too since you seem to have forgot the details..

[durito]

Quick response from TrixTrix( and I didn't even mention any names in my original comment). The truth must really hurt. Funds confiscated by at least 4 different sportsbooks. I have been in this game over 10 years and never once was not paid or had funds confisicated. Why do all of these books pick on poor TrixTrix. Duh???

How much you down lifetime?

[relaaxx]

How much you down lifetime?

[geist]

Relaaxx

Thank you for your comments.. Risk Management is certainly an imperfect science. There is no set of rules to follow.. We have a client that would be considered “recreational” that just ran his balance to 120k… Oh well…. Everybody here is just trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability and making sure our clients are happy and that we do not take too many beatings.

Why don't you invite the guy over to this forum and keep a journal on how and when he gets the majority of his balance out. I have a feeling he might be one of your future statistics swept under rug who eventually gets stiffed.

[Milk Money]

Con = no new US players

[HedgeHog]

Pro= no new US players

[mikeyg]

No matter what is said there are way to many HONEST and REPUTABLE books to bother with this group. Why even chance it that you won't get paid. Let other people risk it, not even worth the headache

This group needs a lot of time before they can even be deemed slighly honest

[HollywoodSB]

No matter what is said there are way to many HONEST and REPUTABLE books to bother with this group. Why even chance it that you won't get paid. Let other people risk it, not even worth the headache

This group needs a lot of time before they can even be deemed slighly honest

Mikey thanks for your ill informed comments... The only people who continuously bad mouth Hollywood are those few who were caught violating the company rules regarding correlated parlays back in 06/07 under the previous ownership group. Its really that simple.
Good luck to you

[HedgeHog]

Hollow-Wood is full of shit. The correlated parlay rules were revised AFTER the massive confiscation. Also all same game parlays with side and toal are correlated--and allowed at all Books. It's the Books' job to decide the level of correlation allowed and this varies somewhat. Back then, Jazette's software may have been too generous in this area, but by no means was it reason to steal entire balances.

[Monte]

Mikey thanks for your ill informed comments... The only people who continuously bad mouth Hollywood are those few who were caught violating the company rules regarding correlated parlays back in 06/07 under the previous ownership group. Its really that simple.
Good luck to you

A horrible statement, so you are saying it is their fault that whole balances been stolen by well known thieves.
If now your intentions aren't clear...stay away from this shit house, ignore the few touts.

[HollywoodSB]

Believe me we don't condone in any manner what happened while HW was under sportingbet\jazzette control and certainly wish they handled the situation better since it did hurt the brand equity somewhat but they claim the correlated parlay rules were already in place from what we understand.

[HedgeHog]

Believe me we don't condone in any manner what happened while HW was under sportingbet\jazzette control and certainly wish they handled the situation better since it did hurt the brand equity somewhat but they claim the correlated parlay rules were already in place from what we understand.

Wrong again. The correlated rules in place beforehand dealt with things like parlaying same game half lines to full lines and same game 1st quarter lines to full lines. These are obvious examples of improper correlation and are certainly voidable. However, same game parlays involving the side and total was addressed after the massive theft and a certain % of acceptable correlation was then established. Glad I could educate you on your thieving past.

[Birre]

No problems here with HW, email support is good and fast. Lines are nice (10c on MLB)
The only negative thing is the recent change in bonus rollover, they almost doubled it and 35 times the bonus is huge.

[geist]

Originally Posted by HollywoodSB
Relaaxx

Thank you for your comments.. Risk Management is certainly an imperfect science. There is no set of rules to follow.. We have a client that would be considered “recreational” that just ran his balance to 120k… Oh well…. Everybody here is just trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability and making sure our clients are happy and that we do not take too many beatings.

This has been brought up multiple times already with no response from you.

Believe me we don't condone in any manner what happened while HW was under sportingbet\jazzette control and certainly wish they handled the situation better since it did hurt the brand equity somewhat but they claim the correlated parlay rules were already in place from what we understand.

This guy doesn't seem to get it that in the business world pertaining to mergers/acquisitions, it is part and parcel to inherit assets along with any and all liabilities from the previous regime. Mergers and Acquisitions 101 - this so called rep does not even comprehend that basic of a business protocol (evident in the fact that he keeps saying they got screwed as well which is a preposterously naive stance in the real business world) - how this glaring discrepancy paint the rest of the organization, is the question.

It does not bode well either way since it's either one of two things they are admitting: complete and utter lack of business knowledge to know enough that previous debts are in fact inherited and you can't deflect blame (creating ambiguity on who should still pay the player) when you assume complete responsibility the moment you (re)acquire the business back.

Or the higher ups are playing stupid - 'Duhh, we don know n'thing bout no debt' - plain and simple and laughing all the way to the bank.

Dude, you are not doing yourself any favors posting on here when the big Pink Elephant in the room won't ever go away until some conceding is done. Might as well plead the fifth and stop posting.

Either pay the past players what is owed or own up and declare it: Alright! You got us! Were not completely oblivious to our accountability when we reestablish ownership but we are just pleading ignorance until this thing ultimately dies down over time so we can bury it and move on to the next generation of future saps. You happy now?!!



What say you, Sir?

[HollywoodSB]

This has been brought up multiple times already with no response from you.

This guy doesn't seem to get it that in the business world pertaining to mergers/acquisitions, it is part and parcel to inherit assets along with any and all liabilities from the previous regime. Mergers and Acquisitions 101 - this so called rep does not even comprehend that basic of a business protocol (evident in the fact that he keeps saying they got screwed as well which is a preposterously naive stance in the real business world) - how this glaring discrepancy paint the rest of the organization, is the question.

It does not bode well either way since it's either one of two things they are admitting: complete and utter lack of business knowledge to know enough that previous debts are in fact inherited and you can't deflect blame (creating ambiguity on who should still pay the player) when you assume complete responsibility the moment you (re)acquire the business back.

Or the higher ups are playing stupid - 'Duhh, we don know n'thing bout no debt' - plain and simple and laughing all the way to the bank.

Dude, you are not doing yourself any favors posting on here when the big Pink Elephant in the room won't ever go away until some conceding is done. Might as well plead the fifth and stop posting.

Either pay the past players what is owed or own up and declare it: Alright! You got us! Were not completely oblivious to our accountability when we reestablish ownership but we are just pleading ignorance until this thing ultimately dies down over time so we can bury it and move on to the next generation of future saps. You happy now?!!



What say you, Sir?

Hey Geist …considering that we are the architects of a multimillion dollar deal to one of the biggest publicly traded companies on the LSE let alone one of the biggest in the world, and then a subsequent buy back.. I think I can confidently say that we fully understand all business matters related to M and A, maybe more than you. Not to mention I graduated from NYU at the Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences…and was brought in to ensure we offer added value in our lines, bonuses, loyalty and retention programs… But that’s just me… The great thing about HW is that we are now managed by a hybrid of both old school and new delivering unique content and offers for our clients worldwide. Additionally I refer to post 23 above… Cheers to you

[odysseus]

Do you mean, pulped?

I'm a sucker for new vocabulary words, but I can't seem to find that one.

"Palped" When the book invokes the "palpable error" rule that they all seem to have. Otherwise known as the " we can cancel your bet whenever we feel like it on the the pretense that it was an obvious error on our part! Possibly a UK only term, sorry.

[trixtrix]

Hey Geist …considering that we are the architects of a multimillion dollar deal to one of the biggest publicly traded companies on the LSE let alone one of the biggest in the world, and then a subsequent buy back.. I think I can confidently say that we fully understand all business matters related to M and A, maybe more than you. Not to mention I graduated from NYU at the Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences…and was brought in to ensure we offer added value in our lines, bonuses, loyalty and retention programs… But that’s just me… The great thing about HW is that we are now managed by a hybrid of both old school and new delivering unique content and offers for our clients worldwide. Additionally I refer to post 23 above… Cheers to you

so why don't you answer the poster's question, since you're claiming qualification as a subject matter expert? in what part of contract law are you allowed to assume only assets and not liabilities at time of takeover?

[HollywoodSB]

so why don't you answer the poster's question, since you're claiming qualification as a subject matter expert? in what part of contract law are you allowed to assume only assets and not liabilities at time of takeover?

trixtrix again refer to post 23 above Cheers

[HedgeHog]

Basically you're saying you want the goodwill HW earned for the 8 years prior to Jazette w/o taking responsibilty for the theft just prior to your takeover. It's a poor argument--they are a package deal. Jazette shit all over your good name and you don't feel the need to clean up the mess you bought.

[darrendice]

just wanted to give feedback on these guys. Took bonus 22% won entire bets throughout rollover ($7k+) and paid out same day as I completed the rollover via moneybookers. Can't fault them from what I've seen.

[relaaxx]

Relaaxx

Thank you for your comments.. Risk Management is certainly an imperfect science. There is no set of rules to follow.. We have a client that would be considered “recreational” that just ran his balance to 120k… Oh well…. Everybody here is just trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability and making sure our clients are happy and that we do not take too many beatings.

We of course accept that when we do. In your case we could certainly be wrong. It happens. The good news with us is getting paid is not a worry in spite of the precarious nature of the biz right now.

I made the offer regarding removing you from “bonus suppression” and I have already put those wheels in motion. Sean will contact you shortly…. Yes our A-LISTER program is a big success based on the feedback we get. I’m glad you like what we do.

Your live betting limits are certainly reviewable on a monthly basis as I hope Sean advised you previously. In fact If I recall I invited you to first come play with us directly.. It didn’t turn out too bad for you I imagine.

Now as you mention about working other posters.. I put it out there in a previous post… All I can do is see who chooses to take action and see what we can do….
Continued Success to you

hollywwodsb- never got that call from sean about getting bonuses. so i called. talked to tony black.was told sean does not work there anymore. said he would find out about bonuses and call back before tuesday. that was 3 weeks ago on a friday. never called back. now i am getting ready to redeposit after a few losses. what is my bonus situation. also after playing at $150 limits for a while now would like these limits to be looked at again. for the amounts i play i find it hard to belive i have these low limits on live betting. if you can please raise limits and let me know that bonuses are back to normal, would be great. i was told by tony black that my vip manager is now helen brown. is that correct. if live betting limits can not be raised i sure would like to know why they are so low. thanks

[trixtrix]

tony black and helen brown, lol

[trixtrix]

all we need now is a brian white, jayda pinkette, and sasha grey

[HedgeHog]

When Hollywood stole from me in '07, my rep was "Indy Red".

[BigDaddy]

anyone playing with this book is playing with fire.


they are thieves

[KilltheBitch]

Totally disagree with Big Daddy. I have been at Hollywood for over 3 years and never had a major problem. I have withdrawn significant amounts of money and won many contests. Their new site is pretty fun. I know they went though that bullshit a few years ago when the industry changed and I had a few payouts that took weeks and many bounced checks but they made good on all of them. I've had check problems at BM and legendz a few times too but I don't hold that against them either. The industry has certainly changed since neteller and even paypal. I have had 0 problems ever since and I live in US. I do believe they are related to sports.com because Tony Black is my rep there as well. Helen is also a nice gal to work with. She has gone out of her way to make sure I get some neat gifts from them also................. Not an endorsement.....Just my 2 cents from my personal experience.

[dark star]

My experiences with Hollywood has been fine thus far

[Justin7]

Believe me we don't condone in any manner what happened while HW was under sportingbet\jazzette control and certainly wish they handled the situation better since it did hurt the brand equity somewhat but they claim the correlated parlay rules were already in place from what we understand.

If I can prove to you with 100% certainty that this rule was not in place when the parlay bets were made, will you go back and honor the players' winnings from the correlated parlays? If it is just a misunderstanding, let's sort it out.

[trixtrix]

Bump

[trixtrix]

bump

[marcojuiceman]

Interesting

[OUTCAST]

I only started playing there for 3 months and they already have my limits lowered, but the payouts have been very fast. I wish maybe they will up my limits again in the future. Overall I enjoy playing there very much.

[King_Suckerman]

They have limited me and banned me from bonuses even though I only placed a few bets.

[odysseus]

They have limited me and banned me from bonuses even though I only placed a few bets.

Probably more to do with your previous history with other Jazette books, same risk management processes. Just a thought.