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01-12-21 09:47 AM #36
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01-12-21 04:13 PM #37
Originally Posted by jazzmonkey
Thanks for posting. Originally Posted by jazzmonkey
That Sumsub company can be a bit of a b***h to get through verification once they flag you.
If you have ever reversed a card payment they get people too. Surprised we have not heard about more people being booted from Pinny since taking them on.
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01-12-21 05:23 PM #38
matchbook emailed me last February about documents, source of income, wanted documents for all my deposits, even small deposits, gave me 7-10 days, some of my deposits were over 15 yrs ago, I had no documents.
I just withdrew my balance, all of it, then bought bitcoins after it crashed, will sell them in 2025, a yr after the 4th halving.
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01-12-21 06:16 PM #39
This source of income is ridiculous request. 10y ago my uncle gave me some cash, I was studding, my grandmother gave me some money also, deposited that, starting in betting industry I was scalping bonuses back then, doing some good profits, became pro.... the rest are winnings. So what kind of source of income can I give them. Sometimes the rulers really have no clue. And when you place 100k bets with hundreds if not thousands of deposits/payouts. How will you provide evidence for 10y back. Totally stupid.
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01-12-21 06:20 PM #40
They might ask you to get statements from other books to prove anything you say. Originally Posted by Limited
If I was in your position I would have a plan to deal with it. If you are betting more than a regular income earner can support it gets more likely every year that you will be asked.
At the very least I'd make sure you keep accurate records of all betting so you have something concrete to give a solicitor if ever needed.
And if it is by any company using Sumsub (or similar services), you could find it affects a bunch of books.
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01-12-21 06:28 PM #41
I have my records, but The Greek has thousands of bets, probably around 50 payouts and little less deposits. And there are other bookies that aren't around any more or not available any more due to later geo-restrictions.
Still terrible or impossible to find all these data if you are being asked today. My records probably can't serve as a proof.
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01-13-21 04:29 AM #42
Yes this, keep betting records.
That won't satisfy everyone though, some will accept betting (Betfair for instance) and some will not. And what they accept from betting also differs, there are some that accept from other named accounts and some which will not - syndicates will invariably run off accounts in each individual's name so this is problematic.
From the UK side, as I understand it, the Gambling Commission sweeps through bookmakers one by one, so just because something is accepted now (before the sweep) does not necessarily mean that it will be accepted afterwards. I think this might be especially relevant when attempting to prove sustainability by using winnings from betting.
I think SoW might eventually prove the death knell for multi accounters.
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01-13-21 05:20 AM #43
That would be actually good for us non multi accounters.I think SoW might eventually prove the death knell for multi accounters.
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01-16-21 05:29 PM #44
Because criminals deposit to big sportsbook like Pinnacle just to lose it all in bets.. that's very criminal thing to do...
Source of Wealth is mega stupid thing to ask for. Its like almost impossible to have all your source documented.. I mean over a time I have used 10s of bookmakers, invested in many different cryptocurrencies or other commodities.. I could not even think about half of this, where I did get money I am betting with from...
But it seems like it's kind of new regulatory thing to ask for, because I was asked for same on one of crypto exchanges, so I decided to move my crypto to cold storage and never use that exchange again...
And I will deal with any bookmaker asking for such stupid things same way.. I will say bye bye ..
I have no problem providing my ID, residence proof or anything like this, but there should be boundaries where all this KYC bullshit has to stop. Now they can ask even probably for your grandma health records and if you do not provide them, they simply confiscated your funds? ...Last edited by vk.sab; 01-16-21 at 05:35 PM.
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01-17-21 05:55 AM #45
Asking source of wealth is ridicilous. This is against human rights. We must boycott bookmakers who ask this. Money is mine, this is none of your business.
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01-17-21 06:10 AM #46
aye aye Sir
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01-18-21 06:16 AM #47
Just another excuse to slow pay.........................Pinnacle is a shell of the past.
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07-04-21 10:49 AM #48
I have this exact same issue today, and i'm in profit for a quite large amount during the year. I also have a full time job, which I have submitted a salary slip from as well as 3 months bank statement.
Rejected because the bank statement is not colored and doesnt show adress, name, and its not in PDF-format.
I think what triggered it for me was betting a bit more frequent and bigger during euros 2020 . My account is frozen so I am betting with other bookies now.
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07-04-21 12:26 PM #49
Pinnacle is nothing what it use to be
Customer base at an all time low therefore wider margins
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07-04-21 02:39 PM #50
Has anyone here experienced a request for Source of Wealth when using "Pinnacle" through an agent like AsianConnect, Sportmarket, Bet-IBC, BetInAsia etc?
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07-04-21 04:13 PM #51
Here's a funny one. The book wanted photo ID and a picture of an electric bill less than 60 days old. I finally after much trouble with a smartphone got a picture of me holding the electric bill and another of my driver's lisc. WRONG!!!!!! It must be me holding the driver's lisc and a picture of the electric bill. LOLOLOLOLOL The driver's lisc. aready has my picture etc etc etc. Had to start over and finally got what they wanted. Absurd the way they did it!
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07-05-21 03:59 AM #52
Wow, shocker. Turns out you need to show your name and adress to prove your identity. Originally Posted by Jaug
Anyway, this SoW thing was created to protect UK gamblers from spending more than they can afford but it looks to have spiralled out of control. 10, 20 or 30 years ago they apparently didn't care if people had spent their entire salaries on gambling.
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07-16-21 09:24 AM #53
I confirmed with AC that they won't ever ask for SoW a few months ago. Times change though so who knows
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07-27-21 06:46 AM #54
bet-ibc hasks for KYC on first withdrawal sometimes, but now they offer PS3838, not Pinnacle. Originally Posted by Ewan101
For the original Pinnacle you need to go all the way over to acc-ex and fork over a small fortune.
No KYC there tho.
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10-09-21 10:47 AM #55
I have the same issue now, my pinnacle account is restricted now, can't withdraw, my balance is 4200 EUR. I live from gambling since 15 years, neved had any other income. I sent them some screenshot about my big winnings, some older bank statements with money in it, photo about paysafecard receipts, skrill screenshots about cash withdraws by skrill card and now waiting for their reply, they wrote I have to wait 72-96 hours. I'm nervous because I'm not sure they will accept this, but how can I proove it further? And if they will not accept it, what will happen to my balance, will they keep it?
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10-09-21 12:35 PM #56
The whole retroactive enforcement is bull shit. If they want to change a policy, so be it, but announce the change and only monitor compliance moving forward. Insisting on ancient records from a decade or more ago to comply with rules that didn't exist at time is unfair to the player.
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10-09-21 12:46 PM #57
Pinnacle has a Curacao license.Their license operator does not require them to ask for source of income from their users.There are also some Other sites that ask for proof of income in case you win.This are just unfair stalling techniques that some bookmakers impose.What they have in common is that they do not ask for proof of income in case you lose a significant amount.
Last edited by agon; 10-09-21 at 01:07 PM.
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10-09-21 01:11 PM #58
No kidding. What do you think they're looking for? Originally Posted by Jaug
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10-09-21 06:25 PM #59
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10-09-21 06:41 PM #60
Depends on where you live. If it is Europe - then their Malta' license applies. Originally Posted by agon
Copied from their website:
Pinnacle is licensed in Malta under the Gaming Service Licence {MGA/B2C/290/2015}
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10-09-21 10:36 PM #61
Pinnacle version outside EU doesn’t shows their Malta Gaming license so i didn’t know. Originally Posted by SBE
But MGA license and Curacao licenses are
getting less and less valuable.Almost all EU countries are issuing their own gambling licenses..Same thing Is happening in South America countries and Africa.US and Canada as well.Again SOW is just an weapon in the hands of online bookmakers to delay payments and even not pay at all.They do not require any SOW if you deposit any big amount and lose it but just in cases if you are in profit and ask for an withdrawal.This is unfair practise for my opinion.And why do these online bookmakers chose to set up offices and servers and operate mostly from Isle of Man,Giblartar,Malta,Costa Rica Curacao etc? To avoid taxes of course.But me as i player i dont care about this.If they pay more taxes they will lower their odds.They want to keep steady profits and they will cut odds to make for the money that they pay taxes.
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10-10-21 09:19 AM #62
Maybe some use it that way, but it's imposed on books to do SoF and SoW checks by licensors. And applies to all finance related businesses. Originally Posted by agon
Not just a made up thing by bookmakers to annoy/delay you.Points Awarded:
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10-10-21 10:08 AM #63
Asking as a restricted player, what is the difference between Pinnacle.bet and Pinnacle.com?
I see that Pinnacle.bet is licensed with the Malta based Mafia Gaming Authority and Pinnacle.com with Curacao based Antillephone NV.
Both sites list the exact same countries in the registration mask.
So what's the difference?
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10-10-21 11:52 AM #64
Even Ecopayz asked me for SoW. I only did one deposit there (less than $50 in bitcoin) and only used the account to make transactions (less than 10K total, if I'm not wrong) with sportsbooks. Makes no sense at all.
I guess if I only use a bank account to deposit in a sportsbook, they will never ask for SoW, right?
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10-10-21 12:58 PM #65
Originally Posted by bruloc
Earlier this year I was asked by my bank to provide with a proof of origin of my funds after I made a bank wire
withdrawal. It was a withdrawal from my local bookmaker (they are having both street shops and online betting, too)
to same country local bank, so they (if they want) must clearly see it was a betting (well known) company.
Anyway, I had to send them few copies of winning bets, to satisfy them.
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10-10-21 01:26 PM #66
Got it. Didn't know they even hold a license in Sweden: Originally Posted by lonnie55
Asking as a restricted player, what is the difference between Pinnacle.bet and Pinnacle.com?
I see that Pinnacle.bet is licensed with the Malta based Mafia Gaming Authority and Pinnacle.com with Curacao based Antillephone NV.
Both sites list the exact same countries in the registration mask.
So what's the difference?
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10-10-21 04:23 PM #67
Update to my case, today I received an email, they said now they want to see the last three months statement about my Skrill in PDF format, I have to upload. But I can't upload because there I can see they are still verifying the material what I uploaded 48 hours ago, it's not possible to upload anything else now. I sent them in email, attached the PDF, also I asked how should I upload if it's not possible at this moment? They did not reply yet. I clearly remember that there were times when they replied in some minutes, now they response hours later.
By the way : do you think have the bookies right to withhold the money in this case? Today I almost gambled my balance, but finally I saved it. Now I very try to not bet until the case finishes. What would happen if somebody example is a drug dealer and plays with that money, and he confess to the bookie that he uses "dirty" money, would the bookie confiscate the money?Last edited by kismaros2623; 10-10-21 at 04:30 PM. Reason: .
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10-10-21 04:29 PM #68
Pinnacle is not what it use to be. I tried to re open my account and deposit but Pinnacle said no and kept my account closed. Get your money out and stay away!!!
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10-10-21 05:45 PM #69
Pinnacle does over 1 million transactions a day
Top 3 busiest book on entire planet and tightest margins with betfair overall world wide markets all sports
massive usa credit business via agents and brokers
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10-10-21 06:10 PM #70
They would be supposed to report it. Originally Posted by kismaros2623
As that is one of the things that Anti Money Laundering rules are in place to stop.
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