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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    But what would a typical payout be. Let's assume you picked all chalk with horses like 5/2, 2/1, 3/5, 3/1?
    tough to say think it depends on how many other players have the combo correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLock View Post
    Arch, I just got word from a guy up top.....

    He said 50 cent Pick 4’s are square sucker bets.

    No offense to anyone just relaying info down the chain.


    My mission this week is to learn as much as I can about the ponies.

    yeah I’m an amateur and I mostly bet to win or win/place/show but sometimes bet an exacta or trifecta

    no real interest in the pick 3s and 4s

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    Laurel Park has now cancelled racing for today not sure long term but soon it will all be shut down imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    But what would a typical payout be. Let's assume you picked all chalk with horses like 5/2, 2/1, 3/5, 3/1?
    it would depend on field size in the 4 races. the more horses in the sequence the higher the payout even with 4 chalks. conversely, if the fields are all short, 6 or less it would be less. an average payout for the odds you listed would be somewhere around 25.00 for .50. you have to have a price horse or two in there in the 6-1 to 9-1 range or higher to get more. if your price horse defeats a heavy favorite in any of the legs you have wiped out players who singled that particular favorite to save money. i would not play this type of bet if you are a novice. this is horizontal multiple wagering and you are at the mercy of the track who select the races in the sequence. usually there is a maiden race involved in these and most of the horses might not have ever run in a race. i would play vertical wagering in individual races with at least 8 horses and with past performance lines. this would involve picking a winner and the putting other horses underneath that you think will finish 2nd exactas, 3rd trifectas, 4th superfectas. you can play any of these or all of these in any given race. your result is immediate and you can move on to the next race to reinvest your winnings or chase your losses.

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    Ok thanks for that explanation

    With pick 4s and such you can pick multiple horses for races though right?

    so does that affect your potential payout or just the cost to make the bet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    Ok thanks for that explanation

    With pick 4s and such you can pick multiple horses for races though right?

    so does that affect your potential payout or just the cost to make the bet?
    of course you can play every horse in every leg and guarantee that you will hit it but don't. 2x3x2x1 would cost 6.00 for a .50 bet for example. just multiply the number of horses that you play in first leg x the number in 2nd leg and so forth and divide by 2. once again this is a frustrating but exciting bet if you can make it to the fourth leg and then see your payout on the will pays in advance. it seems it is remarkably easy to get 3 out of 4 which means you lost out on your 3 winners totally unless you played individually in their designated races. it can save you money by if you get "alive" as the 4 races unfold since you probably will just wait it out. an experienced player will play the pick 4 and also bet vertically or a win bet too. as an ancient person i find it hard to believe that anyone born after 1980 has no clue about this gambling venue. yes, they have heard about it and know it exists but sports betting has taken over. between i'd say 1962-1990 this was the only game in town legally. people used to flock to the track in droves you couldn't get a seat in the grandstand and now you would be the only one sitting there if they haven't closed it off. of course home betting and off track parlors totally eliminated the need to actually go unless you want to see it live. full card simulcasting which didn't exist before 1985 has offered players many more options along with expanded types of wagering.
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    South Africa in the last race at Fairview (Race8), I like the #3 Beethoven. Win and Place. Should be 3/1 or so.

    I'm due. Go get some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLock View Post
    Harthy, I’ve never bet ponies (I’m an MLB guy) but I’ve always been intrigued by ponies.

    Could you elaborate on what a 50 cent pick 4 is? I could Google it but I’d like to hear more about it from a SBR guy.

    Harthy, I NEED SOME ACTION, PAL.

    MLB is dead in the water till at least the end of June.
    Pick 4 is picking the winning horse in 4 straight race
    All tracks start there pick 4 different races. But most pick 4 are the last 4 races of the day for that track.
    You can pick more then one horse in each race example
    123/45/65431/27
    3x2 is 6 x5is 30x2 is 60. Then divide by 2 cost would 30 for a 50 cent pick 4
    But when you bet the price of ticket will show
    In your case since you don't handicapp put a few favorites in then a long shot like 10 to 1 gulustre am yesterday pick pick 5 paid 52,000 for 50 cent.
    I would get everyone picks. Then toss in a few. Hope that makes sense. Some tracks do 50 cent pick 3. 20 cent pick 4. Canada tracks do that
    To figure the price of the cost
    3x2x5x2. Feel free with anything else. We all have time on our hand
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggie12 View Post
    veey simple.

    Team A vs Team B


    Pinnacle odds

    team A -105 team b -105

    random euro book

    team a -120 team b +110

    Bet team a at pinnacle

    bet team b at Euro book

    goal is not to get rich just take small profits daily.

    Have to take into account u will need to use books offering free withdrawls and deposits because u will have to move around money frequently if you dont have a huge bankroll
    Biggie. It's like trying to middle. So I bet team A at pinnacle at -105. Team B at euro +110 so team B wins. I win 5.00. If pinnacle wins I'm even. All for 100 action
    So you play for 1000. You win 50 how often do you get that. And you would need at least 4 books. Need patience lot 's of people do this. ? I can't use these over sea books. It's a pain to get paid

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    what tracks you betting today, Harter?

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    Oaklawn
    Gp

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    Quote Originally Posted by harthebar View Post
    Oaklawn
    Gp
    gp not running today Hart.

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    Tampa. I like a horse. Maybe Santa anita
    I'm shocked that is still open considering they are say 70% of calif will get the v-19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    gp not running today Hart.
    When they cancel

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    Quote Originally Posted by harthebar View Post
    When they cancel
    announced yesterday I think. putting new protocols in place. plan on resuming SAT. Have my doubts though.

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    Going to single drill bit in late pick 4 at tampa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    announced yesterday I think. putting new protocols in place. plan on resuming SAT. Have my doubts though.
    Yea. Think it's a matter of time. Just going to get my points put it all on oNE race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harthebar View Post
    Yea. Think it's a matter of time. Just going to get my points put it all on oNE race.
    2k to 4K cap on SBR book for ponies.
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    Just messing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    2k to 4K cap on SBR book for ponies.
    Looks like you can use some. I'm going to win them back anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by harthebar View Post
    Looks like you can use some. I'm going to win them back anyway
    ok Hart thx a lot. lost all my points yesterday. think I will put 100 on Drill to win if it hits will hit you back with a 100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
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    Going for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLock View Post
    Arch, I just got word from a guy up top.....

    He said 50 cent Pick 4’s are square sucker bets.

    No offense to anyone just relaying info down the chain.


    My mission this week is to learn as much as I can about the ponies.
    The guy up top. Who is that. I mean the safest play in all betting a show bet. If you want to grind it out.
    On the other hand pick 4 bets they are tough going g to pay. But a guy once told me. If you like a 8 to 1 horse the o lt bet is a win bet. You don't need any exotic tic plays at that price. Each has there own play I don't think k you can cap a pi k 4. Tgere is always going to be a few horses that get in there. So you just toss numbers In. Gl to all think positive. Encourage these guys. They will have fun

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    L1. 367
    l2. 4
    l3. 124
    l4. 12369

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    Quote Originally Posted by harthebar View Post
    Biggie. It's like trying to middle. So I bet team A at pinnacle at -105. Team B at euro +110 so team B wins. I win 5.00. If pinnacle wins I'm even. All for 100 action
    So you play for 1000. You win 50 how often do you get that. And you would need at least 4 books. Need patience lot 's of people do this. ? I can't use these over sea books. It's a pain to get paid
    No its not like trying to middle. On a middle you could lose money on juice. You cant lose money on an arb, unless u bet team A and site b changes odds before u bet on team b.

    You would need every out you have access to not just 4.


    u would not win $5 on example above your betting amount would be different for each wager on team a and b. I will let you figure out what that should be. It will give you something to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harthebar View Post
    L1. 367
    l2. 4
    l3. 124
    l4. 12369
    Har, sorry Boss, not really sure what track and what your bets are. My guess is Oaklawn since you had mentioned it, but do you mean Races 1-4 and then do you mean you're placing those exact horses to W-P-S or what?

    Sorry to bother you, but hard to tail something like that post without a legend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capybara View Post
    Har, sorry Boss, not really sure what track and what your bets are. My guess is Oaklawn since you had mentioned it, but do you mean Races 1-4 and then do you mean you're placing those exact horses to W-P-S or what?

    Sorry to bother you, but hard to tail something like that post without a legend.
    I assume it’s the late pick 4 at Tampa

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    Wow I cant believe I used to do this for a living I have not picked a winner in 2 days I just it a 9/5 shot at Oaklawn.The prob is im trying to beat the favorites and play prices which seems not to happen.If Gulfstream races Saturday im not printing pps im just picking the numbers off the board like I did during my old days in the 90.s at Phoenix greyhound park. One night I one a grand and never used a program. That happened several times. Tonight's movie feature Escape From New York!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ventura View Post
    I assume it’s the late pick 4 at Tampa
    Sorry. Late pi k 4 tb

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggie12 View Post
    No its not like trying to middle. On a middle you could lose money on juice. You cant lose money on an arb, unless u bet team A and site b changes odds before u bet on team b.

    You would need every out you have access to not just 4.


    u would not win $5 on example above your betting amount would be different for each wager on team a and b. I will let you figure out what that should be. It will give you something to think about.
    Ha ha. That was based on 100 bets -105 +110
    Bet a 100 win 110. -5 0n other game. If other team win -105. You r even.

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    I suck. I can't believe that horse ran such a bad race it was like he didn't try from his last race. Maybe these closings is a message. Watch the other horse I posted will win. Sorry ez.

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    Ugh, Drill Bit never in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harthebar View Post
    I suck. I can't believe that horse ran such a bad race it was like he didn't try from his last race. Maybe these closings is a message. Watch the other horse I posted will win. Sorry ez.
    no worries Hart can not win them all. Thx for bankrolling the play. better luck next time.
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