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I'm going to make an effort to start this thread each week.

Please, post your most confident play to include props. I understand you can always post Shevchenko -1200 but please be reasonable.

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Tecia Lyn Torres -150

Simply put, I think this line should be much higher and we're getting a gift from the UFC gods with an experienced fighter like Torres at this line.

I've seen a number of Torres' fights and although small in stature, I'm always impressed by her toughness and tenacity. In her last four fights, she's taken on Waterson, Zhang, Andrade and Joanna. I understand out of that 4 she only beat Waterson however, she was in every fight and went to a decision in each of her losses. People forget, Torres also fought Thug back in 2016 and lost a decision there too. Torres has faced the best of the best UFC competition and been competitive.

On the other side of the experience scale we have Marina Rodriguez. She has two UFC fights with one being a draw with Randa Markos and a unanimous decision win over Jess Aguilar. If she would've beaten Jess Aguilar five years ago, I'd have been impressed. I'm not impressed with the win over the current Jag Aguilar.

Tecia is the younger fighter and the much smaller fighter with a reach disadvantage but what fighter has she gone up against where she's the bigger fighter? None.

Having lost three straight, Tecia is very desperate for a win. Her four losses have come against the best and those women have a combined 25-7 UFC record.

I fully expect the more experienced, more athletic, tougher fighter to find openings at distance and to take Rodriguez down a few times.

I have Torres by decision.

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Vicente Luque.

[Hugo de Naranja]

I think Luque is the best value play on this card.

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I think Luque is the best value play on this card.

I think Luque is better everywhere Hugo.

For those that like Perry, they are basically saying he will KO Luque because Perry won't beat Luque if it goes to a decision based on their output.

Perry hasn't been knocking anyone out. Can it happen? Sure, is it likely? No.

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Perry hasn't been knocking anyone out. Can it happen? Sure, is it likely? No.

Perry has 13 wins on his record.

11 wins via KO/TKO.

Good thing he "hasn't" been knocking anyone out.

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Perry has 13 wins on his record.

11 wins via KO/TKO.

Good thing he "hasn't" been knocking anyone out.

Dude, since December 2016, Mike Perry has fought 8 times. Five of those 8 fights have gone to a decision with one of those being a sub.

When I say he "hasn't been knocking anyone out" that's exactly what I mean and it's accurate.

[jacharron17]

My bad lol line is 2.5.

[jacharron17]

Under 1.5 Mike Perry vs Vicente Luque +155. I expect these two to finish one another early.

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Dude, since December 2016, Mike Perry has fought 8 times. Five of those 8 fights have gone to a decision with one of those being a sub.

When I say he "hasn't been knocking anyone out" that's exactly what I mean and it's accurate.

Who faced tougher opposition though.

Mike Perry didn't beat Paul Felder via KO/TKO. Felder has never lost via KO/TKO except due to a cut. The same could be said of all of Perry's opponents, they're all extremely tough and durable guys who don't get finished often.

Many of Luque's opponents have lost via KO/TKO multiple times.

You could say Luque has gotten the easier fights.

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Who faced tougher opposition though.

Mike Perry didn't beat Paul Felder via KO/TKO. Felder has never lost via KO/TKO except due to a cut. The same could be said of all of Perry's opponents, they're all extremely tough and durable guys who don't get finished often.

Many of Luque's opponents have lost via KO/TKO multiple times.

You could say Luque has gotten the easier fights.

All I said was he hasn't been knocking anyone out which is accurate.

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All I said was he hasn't been knocking anyone out which is accurate.

If Mike Perry wins, I'm going to laugh.

Especially if he wins via TKO/KO.

That's all I can say.

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If Mike Perry wins, I'm going to laugh.

Especially if he wins via TKO/KO.

That's all I can say.

Well, back to the point of the thread that had nothing to do with Luque/Perry, do you have a best bet you'd like to share or do you just want to argue about semantics?

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I'll go with you Sanity Check.

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I'll go with you Sanity Check.

Its not just empty talk, bro.

Whether its in a parlay or a straight play I'll be on Mike Perry.

Good luck 2 u!!

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If Mike Perry wins, I'm going to laugh.

Especially if he wins via TKO/KO.

That's all I can say.

What if he doesn't win and what if it goes to a decision? Can I laugh?

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Nice work.

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Nice work.

I think that De Freitas decision was wrong but I also think the Luque decision was wrong so it all works out I guess.

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What if he doesn't win and what if it goes to a decision? Can I laugh?

You can laugh if you want.

There isn't anything to laugh about though.

Some of you get insecure and offended when someone challenges what you're saying. For no reason.

But do you understand sometimes things need to be said cuz of the things people say are borderline boneheaded.


"Mike Perry doesn't have KO Power." That is a boneheaded and silly thing to say regardless of the outcome.

[Hugo de Naranja]

You can laugh if you want.

There isn't anything to laugh about though.

Some of you get insecure and offended when someone challenges what you're saying. For no reason.

But do you understand sometimes things need to be said cuz of the things people say are borderline boneheaded.


"Mike Perry doesn't have KO Power." That is a boneheaded and silly thing to say regardless of the outcome.

But that's not what he said. He just said that "Perry hasn't been knocking anyone out." That's a true statement as Perry hasn't had a KO/TKO win since September 2017 (six fights ago).

In total, he has 11 of his 13 pro wins by KO/TKO so he definitely has knockout power. He knocked out four of his first five UFC opponents: Hyun Gyu Lim, Danny Roberts, Jake Ellenberger, and Alex Reyes. When we look back at these four we find that they weren't elite durability wise. Lim got TKOed by Neil Magny, Reyes had been TKOed on the regional scene, Roberts gets hurt in every fight and has been KOed stiff twice after the Perry fight, and Ellenberger was totally shot with four KO/TKO losses already at the time he fought Perry. I think these fights showed that Perry has the power to destroy opponents with concerning durability.

Since then, he's decisioned Alex Oliveira, who has above average durability, and Paul Felder, who has elite durability. I think this shows that the most durable guys can still survive what Perry throws. Luque fits in along with these guys, showing elite durability by never getting KO/TKOed in his career despite several wars.

Overall I'd say Perry has above average power but he's no Anthony "Rumble" Johnson.

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Ha. Ok, then.

"Perry hasn't been knocking anyone out." (That's a way of saying "Perry doesn't have KO power" same thing but we don't have to go there)

I bet when you watched the fight you were worried Luque might have been hurt by some of those punches Perry landed.

Which would say the opposite of everything being applied to paper here.

That's good enough for me.

[DavidGoliath5003]

i thought Perry deserved the fight, he actually had more significant punches landed.

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i thought Perry deserved the fight, he actually had more significant punches landed.

Enrique Barzola and Vicente Luque may both have gotten south american home team decisions.

I thought Mike Perry might have won. Until I saw Mike Perry's nose, than I was like oh damn maybe he didn't win after all.

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But that's not what he said. He just said that "Perry hasn't been knocking anyone out." That's a true statement as Perry hasn't had a KO/TKO win since September 2017 (six fights ago).

In total, he has 11 of his 13 pro wins by KO/TKO so he definitely has knockout power. He knocked out four of his first five UFC opponents: Hyun Gyu Lim, Danny Roberts, Jake Ellenberger, and Alex Reyes. When we look back at these four we find that they weren't elite durability wise. Lim got TKOed by Neil Magny, Reyes had been TKOed on the regional scene, Roberts gets hurt in every fight and has been KOed stiff twice after the Perry fight, and Ellenberger was totally shot with four KO/TKO losses already at the time he fought Perry. I think these fights showed that Perry has the power to destroy opponents with concerning durability.

Since then, he's decisioned Alex Oliveira, who has above average durability, and Paul Felder, who has elite durability. I think this shows that the most durable guys can still survive what Perry throws. Luque fits in along with these guys, showing elite durability by never getting KO/TKOed in his career despite several wars.

Overall I'd say Perry has above average power but he's no Anthony "Rumble" Johnson.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Not in my wildest dreams would I say Mike Perry doesn't have KO power. That's not what I said and so to challenge me based on something I didn't say is actually borderline bonheaded and actually, just lazy.

He hasn't been knocking anyone out and once again, I'll say it again, that statement is true. And once again, he didn't KO another opponent.

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Ha. Ok, then.

"Perry hasn't been knocking anyone out." (That's a way of saying "Perry doesn't have KO power" same thing but we don't have to go there)

I bet when you watched the fight you were worried Luque might have been hurt by some of those punches Perry landed.

Which would say the opposite of everything being applied to paper here.

That's good enough for me.

This statement isn't true and just intellectually lazy.

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This statement isn't true and just intellectually lazy.

That dishonesty on your part could be one reason you'll NEVER be good at capping.

Have a good day.

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That dishonesty on your part could be one reason you'll NEVER be good at capping.

Have a good day.

I mean, you can say whatever you want but even Hugo told you straight up what I said and what you claim I said are very different things. It's not just me saying it. Dude, you're just wrong. Move on.

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I mean, you can say whatever you want but even Hugo told you straight up what I said and what you claim I said are very different things. It's not just me saying it. Dude, you're just wrong. Move on.

"Mike Perry hasn't knocked anyone out recently. He's not much of a KO threat."

Isn't that kind of like saying Jacare Souza shouldn't be considered a threat on the ground due to him not submitting anyone in awhile?

You don't have to agree with me, just so long as you understand what I'm trying to say.

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"Mike Perry hasn't knocked anyone out recently. He's not much of a KO threat."

Isn't that kind of like saying Jacare Souza shouldn't be considered a threat on the ground due to him not submitting anyone in awhile?

You don't have to agree with me, just so long as you understand what I'm trying to say.

What you keep claiming I said:

"Mike Perry hasn't knocked anyone out recently. He's not much of a KO threat."

What I actually said:

"Perry hasn't been knocking anyone out."

Do you see why I took issue with your comments? You're just flat out wrong claiming I said something I didn't say and Hugo pointed it out too.

I never said Perry couldn't or wouldn't knock Luque out. I just said he hasn't been knocking anyone out which is accurate.

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Then, you actually said if Perry came out and KO'd Luque ITD you'd come back in and laugh at this thread haha.