[eath1]

Hello. I've been betting for a while and I'm looking to move to a country that offers better conditions for sports bettors.

I'm mainly looking for:

1) Online sports betting being completely legal and tax free or low taxes.
2) Being able to bet in Pinnacle (much better if I can register directly instead of through an agent).
3) Within Europe.



I thought about moving to the UK but as far as I know Pinnacle isn't licensed in the UK and I'm unsure if it's completely legal to bet there through a pinnacle agent.

Cheers.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

https://www.vegasmaster.com/gambling...ree-countries/

Then compare with pinnacle's list of countries on the registration page.

Note Belgium is changing though, soon will be taxing professional gamblers.


It's perfectly legal to use any bookie in the UK, regardless of whether it's licensed or not.

[danwinkler]

if you are a big winner live in a first world country. canada probably best with tax laws, safety etc.
i would never live in country like mexico/costa rica or any developing/third world countries if i am betting big and making a living with sports betting.

[BetJesus]

Freakin ‘Merica!!!!

‘Merica is the best for anything and everything.

We know words. We have the best words. We are building big, beautiful walls somewhere. Our gambling is the greatest. Immigrant free gambling. It’s the best.

Next question.

And whatever it is, the answer is ‘Merica!!!

[relaaxx]

Freakin ‘Merica!!!!

‘Merica is the best for anything and everything.

We know words. We have the best words. We are building big, beautiful walls somewhere. Our gambling is the greatest. Immigrant free gambling. It’s the best.

Next question.


And whatever it is, the answer is ‘Merica!!!

what country has the most people that are white and stupid? real stupid. dumb as a rock , stupid.

[danshan11]

if you are a big winner live in a first world country. canada probably best with tax laws, safety etc.
i would never live in country like mexico/costa rica or any developing/third world countries if i am betting big and making a living with sports betting.

why?

[lonnie55]

Austria was pretty liberal and it's one of the few countries where sports betting is not considered as gambling but as a skill game. But in the meantime online betting has been prohibited in some states within Austria as far as I know, IDK really. It's certainly not tax free when you do it as a profession but at least it would be 100% clean, no grey zone, no "let's hope they don't catch me" or whatsoever. Vienna is a pretty city.

[BetJesus]

Freakin ‘Merica!!!!

‘Merica is the best for anything and everything.

We know words. We have the best words. We are building big, beautiful walls somewhere. Our gambling is the greatest. Immigrant free gambling. It’s the best.

Next question.

And whatever it is, the answer is ‘Merica!!!

I don’t much care for your attitude, boy. Here in the greatest country God ever created, we know that the country with the most stupid white people is Europe, followed by France.

Don’t be disputing that.

Edit:
This was for that American hating SoB above.

[eath1]

https://www.vegasmaster.com/gambling...ree-countries/

Then compare with pinnacle's list of countries on the registration page.

Note Belgium is changing though, soon will be taxing professional gamblers.


It's perfectly legal to use any bookie in the UK, regardless of whether it's licensed or not.

Thing is, I cannot register on pinnacle in my country directly and in UK it's not allowed either.
Would it be completely legal if I bet on pinnacle with a broker account?

Thanks for the answer anyways!

Austria was pretty liberal and it's one of the few countries where sports betting is not considered as gambling but as a skill game. But in the meantime online betting has been prohibited in some states within Austria as far as I know, IDK really. It's certainly not tax free when you do it as a profession but at least it would be 100% clean, no grey zone, no "let's hope they don't catch me" or whatsoever. Vienna is a pretty city.

Will check it out. I don't really mind paying taxes if they're not abusive as long as you say, I earn the money "completely clean".

Thank you!

[relaaxx]

I don’t much care for your attitude, boy. Here in the greatest country God ever created, we know that the country with the most stupid white people is Europe, followed by France.

Don’t be disputing that.

Edit:
This was for that American hating SoB above.

here's proof of how stupid white Americans are.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Thing is, I cannot register on pinnacle in my country directly and in UK it's not allowed either.

Ahh OK. Well, from the pinny page I see most smaller European countries still seem possible, it's the larger ones aren't allowed: UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy. Also don't see Sweden and the Netherlands.

Supposedly Pinnacle have just applied for an Italian licence.

Would it be completely legal if I bet on pinnacle with a broker account?

Yes. I

n the UK, all things are legal unless specifically prohibited, and there's no law saying you have to bet with a licensed bookmaker. Now, many agents won't take UK customers because they don't want to break UK law, and that's a little restricting, but there are still some.

If I were coming from outside I'd look at Gibraltar. It depends on your needs though, and it might be awkward when it leaves the EU.

[danshan11]

here's proof of how stupid white Americans are.

that is the dumbest thing I ever heard, this one statement from one person is how stupid ALL "how stupid white Americans are"

one black french dude stole a peanut from a central park squirrel does that mean all french blacks steal squirrel nuts?
one mexican is one of the wealthiest men in the world, does that mean all Mexicans are rich?

you specifically are a dumb ass, yes you are, not your race or people as a group, JUST YOU!

[relaaxx]

that is the dumbest thing I ever heard, this one statement from one person is how stupid ALL "how stupid white Americans are"

one black french dude stole a peanut from a central park squirrel does that mean all french blacks steal squirrel nuts?
one mexican is one of the wealthiest men in the world, does that mean all Mexicans are rich?

you specifically are a dumb ass, yes you are, not your race or people as a group, JUST YOU!

it's proof of 1 white american being stupid. proof of white american stupidity is that trump became president and still has 35-40% approval ,which is mostly all white, stupid is being kind.

[Optional]

Hello. I've been betting for a while and I'm looking to move to a country that offers better conditions for sports bettors.

I'm mainly looking for:

1) Online sports betting being completely legal and tax free or low taxes.
2) Being able to bet in Pinnacle (much better if I can register directly instead of through an agent).
3) Within Europe.



I thought about moving to the UK but as far as I know Pinnacle isn't licensed in the UK and I'm unsure if it's completely legal to bet there through a pinnacle agent.

Cheers.

Ireland would be near top of the list for me with those wants.

[Brooklyn Dick]

Are you aware of some of the limits now on Pinnacle. College baskets for example. Spread max 4K, but as I post this the limit on all games is circled at 1 k. Totals max at a nickel. Now you can bet 375. And totals are always a 30 cent spread. Spread is a 16 cent spread. If you want to move to another country just for that you need to reconsider.

[Alfa1234]

https://www.vegasmaster.com/gambling...ree-countries/

Then compare with pinnacle's list of countries on the registration page.

Note Belgium is changing though, soon will be taxing professional gamblers.


It's perfectly legal to use any bookie in the UK, regardless of whether it's licensed or not.

Where did you find this info about Belgium changing laws? Source plz? As far as I am aware, Belgium has always taxed pro gamblers as any regular work/income. Only occasional wins have been untaxed so far. Please elaborate on this for me.

[lonnie55]

Austria was pretty liberal and it's one of the few countries where sports betting is not considered as gambling but as a skill game. But in the meantime online betting has been prohibited in some states within Austria as far as I know, IDK really. It's certainly not tax free when you do it as a profession but at least it would be 100% clean, no grey zone, no "let's hope they don't catch me" or whatsoever. Vienna is a pretty city.

One addition: Many professional poker players from all over Europe moved to Vienna because of "comfortable" legal and tax conditions

[craftbrewer]

I've been to Vienna. One of the most beautiful cities in Europe. If gambling laws are not strict there then Vienna would definitely be a good choice for living.

[moojoo]

Yes and you need to calculate living costs. Its not same if your living costs are 700-800 euro or 2500-3000.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Where did you find this info about Belgium changing laws? Source plz? As far as I am aware, Belgium has always taxed pro gamblers as any regular work/income. Only occasional wins have been untaxed so far. Please elaborate on this for me.

No personal knowledge, just read ....
https://blogs.dlapiper.com/all-in/20...ling-winnings/
https://ace-ten.com/news/new-tax-law...blers-belgium/

[Alfa1234]

Thank you for those links, some experts still disagree whether that tax applies to sports gambling.

In Dutch:
https://voetbalgok.be/belastingen-voetbalwedden-belgie/

[craftbrewer]

Yes and you need to calculate living costs. Its not same if your living costs are 700-800 euro or 2500-3000.

Living costs are low in Eastern Europe. The most beautiful city in Eastern Europe is Budapest. And it is a cheap city compared to Western Europe. Though I have no idea about Hungarian gambling laws.

[Ruifgalmeida]

Probably UK and Ireland are the the best for sports, most European regulated markets suck.

[eaglesfan371]

what country has the most people that are white and stupid? real stupid. dumb as a rock , stupid.

The irony to his post is that Americans are viewed as complete ego driven idiots.

If I could, I’d trade my US citizenship for an EU citizenship.

[eath1]

Living costs are low in Eastern Europe. The most beautiful city in Eastern Europe is Budapest. And it is a cheap city compared to Western Europe. Though I have no idea about Hungarian gambling laws.

UK would be the best but pinnacle isn't licensed there

[danshan11]

The irony to his post is that Americans are viewed as complete ego driven idiots.

If I could, I’d trade my US citizenship for an EU citizenship.

why cant you do that, most countries have an immigration policy and Americans usually have favorable terms from other countries for immigration and citizenship.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Thank you for those links, some experts still disagree whether that tax applies to sports gambling.

In Dutch:
https://voetbalgok.be/belastingen-voetbalwedden-belgie/

Seems to be the case in a lot of jurisdictions. I mean, you could understand why it would be declared taxable, especially for say poker players where the skill element is more clearly understood.

Practically though? Massive pita for them to oversee, for a tiny benefit. If you tax, you probably have to allow players to deduct losses. Then do you allow them to offset cost of computer/internet/etc as business expenses? :-)

In the UK we used to have a fixed 9% tax on bets until about 2001, paid with the stake, but the government figured out it would generate more tax to scrap that and simply tax profits of operators.

[danshan11]

Seems to be the case in a lot of jurisdictions. I mean, you could understand why it would be declared taxable, especially for say poker players where the skill element is more clearly understood.

Practically though? Massive pita for them to oversee, for a tiny benefit. If you tax, you probably have to allow players to deduct losses. Then do you allow them to offset cost of computer/internet/etc as business expenses? :-)

In the UK we used to have a fixed 9% tax on bets until about 2001, paid with the stake, but the government figured out it would generate more tax to scrap that and simply tax profits of operators.

because finding a winner that actually owed taxes was harder to find than a real unicorn

[Alfa1234]

Seems to be the case in a lot of jurisdictions. I mean, you could understand why it would be declared taxable, especially for say poker players where the skill element is more clearly understood.

Practically though? Massive pita for them to oversee, for a tiny benefit. If you tax, you probably have to allow players to deduct losses. Then do you allow them to offset cost of computer/internet/etc as business expenses? :-)

In the UK we used to have a fixed 9% tax on bets until about 2001, paid with the stake, but the government figured out it would generate more tax to scrap that and simply tax profits of operators.

I always believed if you did anything profesionally in Belgium, it's taxed as regular income to which losses are deductable. After all you are taxed on your income, which means profit minus losses and deductions.

[lonnie55]

I always believed if you did anything profesionally in Belgium, it's taxed as regular income to which losses are deductable. After all you are taxed on your income, which means profit minus losses and deductions.

That sounds reasonable. Same situation here in Germany. Nevertheless I do not know one pro that pays taxes and authorities did not sue anyone but a poker pro so far.

[moojoo]

In Serbia there is no taxes on betting and gambling per se. Cheap life costs comparing to EU. Lots of local shops with online sites offering everything bet365 for example does including live betting. Same day payouts in you bank account,or you can go to shop and withdraw at sight...

[SBE]

What about Malta ? There are also registered (licensed in Malta) many sportsbetting companies. But I do not know how it is with any tax for professional gamblers...

[jjgold]

now anywhere

[Poisec]

Nobody suggested Malta? the obvious choice.

[seljak]

Serbia for sure.With 1500e/month you are fck king here.Pretty girls,cheap beer... All what you need is just good VPN.