RAS Update through week 7: Lost every week

clockwise1965 · 10-15-17, 09:53 AM

I used RAS for a few years. They didf have some good years when i used them. Edward changed the price structure for members. That in combination with the poor roi in recent years and the service is just not viable any longer.

I stopped

getitdone3000 · 10-15-17, 11:08 AM

how the hell in the world you charge over 5k for 8 weeks and losing 7 week in a row ras your football is not worth that money no matter how good your system release is your client need winning put your time to cap the game not raising the the package every season .

jtoler · 10-15-17, 11:23 AM

Will prob just be cheaper next season, a little discount and they will all come back.

getitdone3000 · 10-15-17, 11:36 AM

he will find another option to charge more money next season like working directly with client and charge them 10k for first 4 week lol they are punch of clown right now .

hallandale · 10-15-17, 12:38 PM

What is their record this year so far?

MaddyMax · 10-15-17, 04:10 PM

There is no way any existing or past clients will renew or pay him again. He changed the prize structure and is hiding the losing record (which is every weak this year) to suck in new clients. He misleads ppl using espn/nbc/abc it claiming he did interviews but they are all mostly clueless no name journalists from low affiliate networks interviewing him when he was decent in the past. unsuspecting new bettors would still cough up money after looking at those network names as long as ras hides his awful losing records.

jtoler · 10-15-17, 04:27 PM

So youre saying he doesnt post his record anywhere on the site?

MaddyMax · 10-15-17, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

So youre saying he doesnt post his record anywhere on the site?

Nope. If you email him showing interest in service and pretend that you don't know anything, he would talk as if he is a great capper and brag about how he wins and does interviews while saying nothing about his 7 weeks in a row losing. I feel sorry for the noobs who fall for his crap.

videogamelul · 10-15-17, 09:55 PM

Where is the bettingresource shill post that usually accompanies these? If anyone has a legitimate RAS record I'd be interested in seeing it. Unlikely any of this is true as he has gone private.

MaddyMax · 10-16-17, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by videogamelul

Where is the bettingresource shill post that usually accompanies these? If anyone has a legitimate RAS record I'd be interested in seeing it. Unlikely any of this is true as he has gone private.

are you f'n kidding? Anytime ras is brought up someone mentions bettingresource to divert topic then play victim saying someone is using ras name to shill bettingresource.

its happening again in this thread, not sure what this thread has anything to do with br for you to bring in br.

Legitimate RAS record? are you freaking kidding. The clown lost every week. He is hitting around 40% for the season losing every single week. The reason he is not posting record is so that he can shills like you to come and question when someone exposes them.

I have come to the conclusion that all paid cappers lose money. even br i got them on hot streak but now they are cold. stick to free cappers and capping your own games. if any free cappers goest tout they will start losing. seen it so many times.

Raiderguy101 · 10-16-17, 04:32 PM

RAS not even keeping track of his record says a lot. I used to praise him all the time because he did indeed keep track of his record win or lose. But not anymore so I put him with the rest of the bullshit touts who lie and deceive customers.

trytrytry · 10-16-17, 04:39 PM

he turned crappy tout bad ~3 years ago,

Hes a super good value fade now after the line moves a bit on his stuff.

MaddyMax · 10-16-17, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by trytrytry

he turned crappy tout bad ~3 years ago,

Hes a super good value fade now after the line moves a bit on his stuff.

THIS. His sides/totals had good value fading after line move last 3 years. He padded the record and made it look like a winning record with useless 2nd half plays. But everyone caught on and many clients didn't return. He kept touting padded record to get new suckers. But now that everyone knows whats going one he is touting without posting record. This year is his worst of all but charged the most to clients (sucker new clients). They all learned the hard way losing all 7 weeks and a near 40% record.

MaddyMax · 10-17-17, 11:15 AM

From his order page:

Presently, only select past subscribers have been invited. If you are a past subscriber, and have not yet received an invitation, please e-mail xxxxx@xxx for more information if interested.

That is how he gets the noobie suckers by making it sound like some privileged clubs. Truth is none of the past subscribers are paying him anything. By keeping the service secret he can hide the terrible record and keep sucking in noobs money.

Edward-RAS · 10-19-17, 09:39 PM

Here are the facts:

We have gone to an invitation only service, we aren't selling picks publicly anymore, and that is why we no longer post a public archive. Allowing the market to easily confirm the identity of our releases is a disadvantage to both us and our clients for all sorts of reasons.

It has nothing to do with results. We went 15-7 on NFLx and WNBA plays at the start of the service and none of those were posted on the website either.

It is true we haven't had one of our best CFB seasons, we're at .500 through week 7, but saying that we have lost every week, charged over 3000 for first 4 weeks, and are pimping interviews, etc. are all blatant fabrications.

chickendinner4u · 10-19-17, 10:12 PM

As a totally neutral party in this conversation I must say that the actions of Ras are very unethical for this industry. I have also never heard of a handicap are in my life that would try to make his service private and only take selected peoples money. That fact in itself goes to show that it is true he is just trying to protect and hide the horrible year that is going on. If you’re going to come on this forum to post facts they need to be believable right? This response is probably the dumbest reply you could have responded with. Then you have the nerve to say you’re hitting .500 But yet there are a handful of SBR members that are claiming you have not even cashed one single weekend so how the hell are you at 500? I have never followed your service and don’t know much about you at all which is again why I am very neutral but dude your response to defend yourself was extremely stupid and I would advise before the world wakes up in the morning you delete the stupid comment that you just put above Ras Because all that comment has done is confirmed to everybody that you are truly a piece of crap

jake3pkkpkwpk · 10-20-17, 01:01 AM

I will be the first one to sign up if a service is legit instead of this putting bs excuses. Sounds like to me as well that RAS just dug a deeper hole

Raiderguy101 · 10-20-17, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by Edward-RAS

Here are the facts:

We have gone to an invitation only service, we aren't selling picks publicly anymore, and that is why we no longer post a public archive. Allowing the market to easily confirm the identity of our releases is a disadvantage to both us and our clients for all sorts of reasons.

It has nothing to do with results. We went 15-7 on NFLx and WNBA plays at the start of the service and none of those were posted on the website either.

It is true we haven't had one of our best CFB seasons, we're at .500 through week 7, but saying that we have lost every week, charged over 3000 for first 4 weeks, and are pimping interviews, etc. are all blatant fabrications.

Get the hell out of here with this bullshit. I've defended you numerous times over the years, because you always chose to show your record win or lose. You'd also put your games up within 5-10 minutes of them starting for transparency. You've also boasted on your site how transparent you were. Now all of a sudden you don't think it's necessary to post true, accurate, transparent records?! Get the penetrate out of here.

You Edward take a big fat L on your post as well as your picks. You fit right in there with the scamdicappers who don't keep track of their records transparently.

clockwise1965 · 10-20-17, 05:45 AM

Edward,

I have used your sevice for a few years and stopped last year because of your change in price structure and declining roi.

One of the main reason I used RAS is because it offered full transparency with regard too record keeping.

With all do respect Edward, your response to some of the concerns brought to light in this thread simply make no sense.

Good luck in the future.

getitdone3000 · 10-20-17, 07:22 AM

Ras is long gone they not the same anymore now all you do is sucking people money they said they go private to charge more on the package but when new player email them they accept everybody

The_Ivan · 10-20-17, 07:34 AM

getitdone3000 you are tired, grow old on this subject. in soviet Russia we spend 4k on pick no problem, I go private room and get package, is good deal. You deadbeat cannot afford to win, so I finish my Popov and pee in your mouth. Its ok. maybe next time you can make half bets and win the money.

getitdone3000 · 10-20-17, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by The_Ivan

getitdone3000 you are tired, grow old on this subject. in soviet Russia we spend 4k on pick no problem, I go private room and get package, is good deal. You deadbeat cannot afford to win, so I finish my Popov and pee in your mouth. Its ok. maybe next time you can make half bets and win the money.

Lol 4k is nothing but it not worth it for 8 week of football and 7 losing straight week if you charge that much money on the package you have to make sure your stuff good if it isn't good it not worth the money and by the way this is America bro we not stupid like soviet Russian pay 4K for pick lol

Toples · 10-20-17, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by chickendinner4u

I have also never heard of a handicap are in my life that would try to make his service private and only take selected peoples money.

just want to adress that part. There are services (not for US sports as far as i know) who have been limiting their subscribers numbers. I know there was one good UK horse racing service with incredible ROI, who did this. The reason is to keep odds from shortening in early markets, but thats about it.

Raiderguy101 · 10-20-17, 11:09 AM

Straight from the horses mouth....

RESULTS. TRANSPARENCY. MARKET INFLUENCE.

Don't buy picks without all three.

Raiderguy101 · 10-20-17, 11:12 AM

I'm sorry I keep harping on transparency. I do it with the other touts too. I actually agree, big time with RAS, you should never buy picks without the simple task of the tout transparently keeping track of their record. It's my number one pet peeve of the gambling industry. penetrate scamdicappers.

getitdone3000 · 10-20-17, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Raiderguy101

Straight from the horses mouth....

RESULTS. TRANSPARENCY. MARKET INFLUENCE.

Don't buy picks without all three.

Edward-RAS · 10-20-17, 11:58 AM

We have been a pioneer and champion of transparency for many years, but our circumstances have changed and we have had to adapt. I stand by what I said and we continue to live by it. All current RAS users have full transparent access to our archives.

Could you imagine a betting group posting a transparent archive of their picks for the world to see?

1. Bookmakers could easily identify someone playing the sharp action by matching the plays.
2. Competing groups could see who you played, when you played, and use that information to gain a competitive edge in future weeks.
3. It could impact the 2nd half markets of games you played.

I could go on, but these are the most obvious reasons why such a thing would never happen. I understand that some bookmakers/competitors will gain access to our plays anyway, but we certainly aren't going to make it free and easy for them.

Again, we are no longer selling picks publicly, so we no longer have any incentive to archive our plays publicly.

MaddyMax · 10-20-17, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Edward-RAS

Here are the facts:
We have gone to an invitation only service, we aren't selling picks publicly anymore, and that is why we no longer post a public archive. Allowing the market to easily confirm the identity of our releases is a disadvantage to both us and our clients for all sorts of reasons.

It has nothing to do with results. We went 15-7 on NFLx and WNBA plays at the start of the service and none of those were posted on the website either.

It is true we haven't had one of our best CFB seasons, we're at .500 through week 7, but saying that we have lost every week, charged over 3000 for first 4 weeks, and are pimping interviews, etc. are all blatant fabrications.

You are a lying sack of crap. I pretended to be an interested client and emailed you inquring about your service and all you did in the reply to the email was to try suck me in. No where did you mention about the crap season you are having. You kept going on about how great your picks and and how much demand your picks has and because of that you have to protect the picks. WTF. How are you protecting the picks by not posting the results. You posting the results after the game is not going to have any affect on that game because the game is already finished. Based on a sales pitch you were doing in your email response without answer my questions, its pretty clear that you are desperate for new clients since no old clients are paying you.

and now you guys are doing a refundable $1 charge to anyone who signgs up for the forum. this is a method used my lots of scamming touts to separate the possible prospect clients from those who will never join. When someone pays the $1 you know that they have a credit card or payment method like paypaland you would add that email to to your database to send promos with false advertising.

whenever someone calls you out , your response most ofthe time is diverting topic by mentioning some other service and saying that the person is using your name to shill them. I am surprised you typed a paragraph today without you usual dance.

MaddyMax · 10-20-17, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by Edward-RAS

We have been a pioneer and champion of transparency for many years, but our circumstances have changed and we have had to adapt. I stand by what I said and we continue to live by it. All current RAS users have full transparent access to our archives.

Could you imagine a betting group posting a transparent archive of their picks for the world to see?

1. Bookmakers could easily identify someone playing the sharp action by matching the plays.
2. Competing groups could see who you played, when you played, and use that information to gain a competitive edge in future weeks.
3. It could impact the 2nd half markets of games you played.

I could go on, but these are the most obvious reasons why such a thing would never happen. I understand that some bookmakers/competitors will gain access to our plays anyway, but we certainly aren't going to make it free and easy for them.

Again, we are no longer selling picks publicly, so we no longer have any incentive to archive our plays publicly.

Omg stop you clown. How stupid do you think people are.
1. What you say is not true at all. No one is going to do anything if you post the plays after the game is complete.
2. Your picks have been crap
3. Even if your retarded claim is true, then you could just post the record without the games. You will probably do that if you manage to get over .500 but ofcourse you wont mentionthe real odds or juice of the released thatyou make. You often release phantom lines.

The truth is you are no long selling picks publicly because all your past clients are not returning. Now you are hiding and scamming unsuspecting newbies. You hid well the first 8 weeks. Now that college football is almost over and college basketball iscoming up, you are showing your face with pathetic lies to suck in unsuspecting noobs.

MaddyMax · 10-20-17, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by Edward-RAS

We have been a pioneer and champion of transparency for many years.

Is that why you have been busy bugging some of the forum mods to delete all the recent RAS threads? I get taps on everything.

Clown. Crawl back to the hole you came from.

Asking to delete these threads shows you are butt hurt by the truth and desperate to scam unsuspecting noobs.

TeddyCovrsMother · 10-20-17, 12:13 PM

I've been on SBR since 2010, and can honestly say RAS and their multiple fake shill accounts praising them on here in the past, is one of the biggest frauds.

They were always the self proclaimed people that caused line movement, when in reality, they gave out lines that weren't ever available.

I wouldn't look at his plays if they were free, let alone the rat that's now gone into hiding.

Edward-RAS · 10-20-17, 12:19 PM

Who do you want to believe? In me you have one of the most successful services and betting groups of the last decade, who is not selling anything anymore, and in MaddyMax you have a guy who fabricates lies about RAS on multiple forums in pathetic attempts to bring attention to his bettingresource, which is in fact an ACTUAL scam. LOL. If you can't figure this one out, you shouldn't be betting.

MaddyMax · 10-20-17, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Edward-RAS

Who do you want to believe? In me you have one of the most successful services and betting groups of the last decade, who is not selling anything anymore, and in MaddyMax you have a guy who fabricates lies about RAS on multiple forums in pathetic attempts to bring attention to his bettingresource, which is in fact an ACTUAL scam. LOL. If you can't figure this one out, you shouldn't be betting.

There it is again. This is what you and your shills always do. When someone calls you out you name bettingresource or any other service to divert topic. First of all i i stopped following them, they are too expensive.

And why are you lying saying you are not selling anymore. You are still selling. When someone emails you asking about your service you reply with all lies and sales tactic. No body was talking about any other service. You divert topic naming other services then say we are shilling other services lmao.

You are pathetic man. You clients paid thousands for few weeks of college football. You lost every week and have around 40% record. But you are trying to pad the overall record and claiming 50% record by using useless nfl x and wnba picks that weren't even partof the package.

KonaZonie · 10-20-17, 12:52 PM

7:00am

MaddyMax

whenever someone calls you out , your response most ofthe time is diverting topic by mentioning some other service and saying that the person is using your name to shill them. I am surprised you typed a paragraph today without you usual dance.

7:19am

Edward-RAS

Who do you want to believe? In me you have one of the most successful services and betting groups of the last decade, who is not selling anything anymore, and in MaddyMax you have a guy who fabricates lies about RAS on multiple forums in pathetic attempts to bring attention to his bettingresource, which is in fact an ACTUAL scam. LOL. If you can't figure this one out, you shouldn't be betting.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I did get a chuckle out of the timing.