Att: Zetapsi808

[CarpeDime]

I am very low-IQ as well, although I would not say borderline retarded, more like borderline borderline retarded.

All you have to do for a clear anecdotal indication of this is to see how universally people think I am on drugs. The truth is that I do almost no drugs at all; the few drugs that I do sporadically do are merely done socially, in a "When In Rome" manner - in exceedingly moderate quantities, and not of my own volition.

And yet, just listening to me speak, and seeing the look in my eyes, and seeing how I care for myself and present myself, I am universally seen as being someone who must be doing a large amount of drugs.

In fact this is not the case, in fact all the evidence of drug use is entirely attributable to low IQ.

[ZetaPsi808]

I am very low-IQ as well, although I would not say borderline retarded, more like borderline borderline retarded.

All you have to do for a clear anecdotal indication of this is to see how universally people think I am on drugs. The truth is that I do almost no drugs at all; the few drugs that I do sporadically do are merely done socially, in a "When In Rome" manner - in exceedingly moderate quantities, and not of my own volition.

And yet, just listening to me speak, and seeing the look in my eyes, and seeing how I care for myself and present myself, I am universally seen as being someone who must be doing a large amount of drugs.

In fact this is not the case, in fact all the evidence of drug use is entirely attributable to low IQ.

Carper for POTM

[hawley]

Why are people making Bobby out to be such a retard? Kid may not be a card carrying mensa member, may even have an affinity for the baloney pony, but.................he's not a complete tard. He just appears to be young, impressionable, and easily manipulated.

Kid cannot tie shoe laces or use a can opener?

You think he is all there?

[Extra Innings]

I'm qualified and have met both of you and my assessment is both of you are close to retarded. Either that or you were dropped on your head as a baby. Bobby is just a consequence of premature birth, thank God for the marvels of modern medicine. You personally probably have an overall IQ of 86. Performance 90/ Verbal 70...school was an utter disaster for you and any help you needed had to come from outside sources.

You're not entirely stupid but I am pretty sure you are well acquainted with term paper mills, not sure how you even got through college without going broke. You solidified your stupidity with all those videos of you shovelling snow and raking leaves, ironically Bobby made similar videos.

These are the facts. Having a degree from college MEANS NOTHING. Some of the smartest people I have met in my life didn't even go to college. Any poster standing next to these two would look like fuckin' Einstein. FACT

[ZetaPsi808]

Kid cannot tie shoe laces or use a can opener?

You think he is all there?

the shoelaces thing had to be a joke

[Extra Innings]

I am very low-IQ as well, although I would not say borderline retarded, more like borderline borderline retarded.

All you have to do for a clear anecdotal indication of this is to see how universally people think I am on drugs. The truth is that I do almost no drugs at all; the few drugs that I do sporadically do are merely done socially, in a "When In Rome" manner - in exceedingly moderate quantities, and not of my own volition.

And yet, just listening to me speak, and seeing the look in my eyes, and seeing how I care for myself and present myself, I am universally seen as being someone who must be doing a large amount of drugs.

In fact this is not the case, in fact all the evidence of drug use is entirely attributable to low IQ.

I have met you and you have an above average IQ, probably between 118-122.

[hawley]

the shoelaces thing had to be a joke

Zeta you dont think you took advantage of Bobby?

His parents must of stopped him gambling for a reason?

[Extra Innings]

EI nice try

how many close to retarded people do you know with a bachelor's degree in biology?

ya thats what i thought

Spending a 100,000 in tuition to wind up working as an orderly at a Nursing Home sounds extremely stupid to me.

[Sam Odom]

118 here - little good it did

Damn you DNA !

[ZetaPsi808]

Spending a 100,000 in tuition to wind up working as an orderly at a Nursing Home sounds extremely stupid to me.

wow you really are clueless

try again but fix the bold words

[Extra Innings]

wow you really are clueless

try again but fix the bold words

Hospital, nurses aide, 50k, 100k, 150k....doesn't matter dimwit, you are still making a couple of bucks over minimum wage after investing in a 4 year college degree. You still live with your parents .... you're a waste of space. You are challenged, period.

[RogueScholar]

At that time, at least to my knowledge, he was only taking small plays from Bobby simply as a convenience (since Bobby didn't have access to the many outs that Zeta does). I saw nothing wrong with it, as they were only small wagers and Zeta was giving Bobby actual market lines.

How many $55 wagers a month does it take for someone making $12/hr to be in at an unhealthy level? Especially with Bobby's average strike rate of 48%? We're not talking about an issue of convenience, Bobby has a serious gambling addiction that his family was trying to help him control, but Zeta didn't care that much about his "friend" Bobby.

Let me break the math down for you using some very modest figures. I'm not saying this is a representative sample of the amount of money changing hands between Zeta and Bobby, but an illustration of how a few seemingly insignificant wagers each night can really cripple a guy with low earning power.

Three $55 wagers per night = $165
30 days in a month = $4950 in action
48% win rate at -110 juice = $2160 in winnings minus $2574 in losses = -$414 every month

You're right it's not a whole lot of money until you factor in a few more details. It takes Bobby nearly 45 hours of work to make the money to pay that debt off each month at $12/hr assuming a modest 30% in payroll taxes and withholding, which is why some of it had to go on a secret CC. This is on top of the twice weekly trips to the casino that he would indulge in, playing every -EV table game he could get his hands on.

You're also correct that the problem is Bobby's to deal with, but the problem of watching two scumbags profit off their friend's addiction is our problem to deal with as a society. Do we look the other way like you, Opie, or do we have a spine and say "Not on my watch!" like ACoochy, Hawley and ProfaneReality? I admit I was frozen on the fence for a couple months, but I'm sure not going to let my final say on the matter look anything like yours, because it'd be no better than taking Bobby's money myself.

Bobby, as I mentioned earlier, may be a little slow, but he's certainly no poor, innocent kid. He knows what he's doing in everything he does.

Is this why Republicans thump the Bible so hard, your values are so messed up that the appearance of piety is your only shot at salvation? Here you are admitting that a guy is "a little slow," and yet saying he knows what he's doing in everything he does. Which is it? Either he's at an inherent intellectual disadvantage or he's not. You can argue that Zeta's a pretty dim bulb as well, and you'd likely be correct, but Zeta's making money and Bobby's losing it, bottom line. Worse still, Zeta's 26 years old, still living with his parents and has no bills. What reason could he possibly have to take Bobby's money besides pure, disgusting avarice?

Would all these people be jumping on Zeta if Bobby had won? Would you, Cooch?

Come on Opie, you've got to try harder than that. Zeta was the bookie, Bobby was the bettor, that means every -110 wager Bobby got was +110 for Zeta (and Patty), which is why they would take his action. It's why 96.6% of people who bet on sports lose over the long haul. If this was such an innocent exchange of entertainment between friends, why didn't these two bubblegum bookies just give Bobby +100 on all his bets? Why were they always the dealer in blackjack until we forced them to let Bobby be the dealer at least half the time? They knew they had a quantifiable edge in every situation they offered Bobby, and admitted they wouldn't be interested in taking his action without that edge.

Want to try defending them again?

[hawley]

RS does it again

[ZetaPsi808]

rogue i dont know where you are getting your facts from but you are clueless

[ProfaneReality]

Thank you for saving me the trouble of writing this, I couldn't have said it any better myself.

Looking at some of these posts that are the written equivalent of a shrug after reading about a situation that's had me in knots for the last couple months, I was starting to wonder what the hell was going on. I guess some people must check their conscience at the login page for SBR.

P.S. I've always liked your triskelion avatar, it's not a symbol one encounters very often and yet is unmistakable. Is the entire image some country's flag? I don't recognize it off the top of my head.

It's incredible that someone could defend these two. The fact that they are exploiting a "friends" problem is despicable enough, without adding in all the other factors in play here.

And, yes, that is the Sicilian flag

[nosniboR11]

the point is bobby is still old enough to make his own decisions, as much as I think he is not all there, he still has the right to make his own decisions , I dont like zeta and think sbr should ban him for taking the wagers, since you are not allowed to book thru sbr, and that is what zeta did, period, one player or 100 players.

but zeta did nothing wrong taking the plays except breaking sbrs rules

[William Walters]

How many would pay $100/head to see Bobby fight Zeta at the bash? I sure as hell know I would.

If Bobby is victorious.........he gets 10 minutes with Venditto.......no lube.

[hawley]

How many would pay $100/head to see Bobby fight Zeta at the bash? I sure as hell know I would.

If Bobby is victorious.........he gets 10 minutes with Venditto.......no lube.

I would pay $500 to get a fight with Venditto.

Kid cannot do 20 push ups. I would crush him.

[William Walters]

I would pay $500 to get a fight with Venditto.

Kid cannot do 20 push ups. I would crush him.

Any male under the age of 30 that can't do 20 push ups should be castrated.

[hawley]

Any male under the age of 30 that can't do 20 push ups should be castrated.

The scary thing is there were a few bucks in it for him so you know he was trying his hardest.

[RogueScholar]

rogue i dont know where you are getting your facts from but you are clueless

Then educate us, Zeta. Where's your side of the story? Why don't you give us a screenshot of your Paypal history with Bobby? If everything that occurred between the two of you was so fair and innocent, then by all means prove it. Honestly I'd be happy to be proven wrong about all this, because right now I'm ashamed to be the same species as you (although someone did call you a Neanderthal earlier, which made me feel a little better).

And, yes, that is the Sicilian flag

I should've known! Thanks for informing me, and it's comforting to know that posters like you are in the crowd here.

[LVHerbie]

Zeta's part in this is blown out of proportion. Zeta discussed this situation with me back when JJ and I saw him in Yonkers. At that time, at least to my knowledge, he was only taking small plays from Bobby simply as a convenience (since Bobby didn't have access to the many outs that Zeta does). I saw nothing wrong with it, as they were only small wagers and Zeta was giving Bobby actual market lines.

I realize many here feel sorry for Bobby, and I also understand why. But I think this is a tad overblown. Bobby, as I mentioned earlier, may be a little slow, but he's certainly no poor, innocent kid. He knows what he's doing in everything he does. And let's be serious here.....its not like Zeta is Bernie Madoff. I really like the kid a lot, but we're not talking about some criminal mastermind here.

Would all these people be jumping on Zeta if Bobby had won? Would you, Cooch?

If that's the case, then how about you getting off your ass and threatening some of those crooked, cheatin' muthafukkers at Bookmaker!! Those scamming prikks have stole thousands of my dollars! Always providing me with lines that somehow just miss covering.....and then being low enough to entice me to make another fukkin' deposit with genius ploys like making me a "Diamond" player.

Does being a "Diamond" player put food in my kiddos mouth? Fukk no, it doesn't. As her how it felt to not eat after the Rangers lost in 10 to the fukkin' A's.
STICK THAT DIAMOND STATUS IN YOUR ASS, YOU FUKKS!!!

Those are your real crooks, you fukks. It would be fukkin' nice to see some of you mothafukkers avenge Opie's honor one time.

It sucks (as I hate having to admit that I agree with Opie on pretty much anything) but Patty and Zeta weren't doing anything that all the offshore bookies and casinos (which are now even more easily accessible for Bobby in Vegas) won't also being willing to do... You can debate if was appropriate for a friend to book his action but that kindof leads back to the continuing unanswered question as to why people who he also considered friends were sitting in the background video taping and collecting pictures of all of it (complete with voice over commentary and laugh track in some of the videos)...

[opie1988]

How many $55 wagers a month does it take for someone making $12/hr to be in at an unhealthy level? Especially with Bobby's average strike rate of 48%? We're not talking about an issue of convenience, Bobby has a serious gambling addiction that his family was trying to help him control, but Zeta didn't care that much about his "friend" Bobby.

Let me break the math down for you using some very modest figures. I'm not saying this is a representative sample of the amount of money changing hands between Zeta and Bobby, but an illustration of how a few seemingly insignificant wagers each night can really cripple a guy with low earning power.

Three $55 wagers per night = $165
30 days in a month = $4950 in action
48% win rate at -110 juice = $2160 in winnings minus $2574 in losses = -$414 every month

You're right it's not a whole lot of money until you factor in a few more details. It takes Bobby nearly 45 hours of work to make the money to pay that debt off each month at $12/hr assuming a modest 30% in payroll taxes and withholding, which is why some of it had to go on a secret CC. This is on top of the twice weekly trips to the casino that he would indulge in, playing every -EV table game he could get his hands on.

You're also correct that the problem is Bobby's to deal with, but the problem of watching two scumbags profit off their friend's addiction is our problem to deal with as a society. Do we look the other way like you, Opie, or do we have a spine and say "Not on my watch!" like ACoochy, Hawley and ProfaneReality? I admit I was frozen on the fence for a couple months, but I'm sure not going to let my final say on the matter look anything like yours, because it'd be no better than taking Bobby's money myself.



Is this why Republicans thump the Bible so hard, your values are so messed up that the appearance of piety is your only shot at salvation? Here you are admitting that a guy is "a little slow," and yet saying he knows what he's doing in everything he does. Which is it? Either he's at an inherent intellectual disadvantage or he's not. You can argue that Zeta's a pretty dim bulb as well, and you'd likely be correct, but Zeta's making money and Bobby's losing it, bottom line. Worse still, Zeta's 26 years old, still living with his parents and has no bills. What reason could he possibly have to take Bobby's money besides pure, disgusting avarice?



Come on Opie, you've got to try harder than that. Zeta was the bookie, Bobby was the bettor, that means every -110 wager Bobby got was +110 for Zeta (and Patty), which is why they would take his action. It's why 96.6% of people who bet on sports lose over the long haul. If this was such an innocent exchange of entertainment between friends, why didn't these two bubblegum bookies just give Bobby +100 on all his bets? Why were they always the dealer in blackjack until we forced them to let Bobby be the dealer at least half the time? They knew they had a quantifiable edge in every situation they offered Bobby, and admitted they wouldn't be interested in taking his action without that edge.

Want to try defending them again?

Oh wow, Rogue....you've really shaken me with your barrage of uber-liberal, thesaurus worthy rebuttals of all of my points.

Let me see if I can issue a worth rebuttal for someone who clearly finds themselves as intelligent as you do.

How about this......go fukk yourself, pal.

I could give a fukk what you, Hawley, or any of your chit-chat pals think of my take on this situation. In fact, to be honest, I could give a fukk about the situation itself! Like I really have time to agonize over the chatroom conspiracy between Bobby, Zeta, and Patty. I personally find it shockingly bizarre that so many of you fukks seem to spend large chunks of your day worried about situations involving people you've never met.

First off.....the deal with bobby and zeta is absolutely none of my fukkin business. I wasn't privy to their agreements, I have no idea about how much money, if any, was exchanged. How the fukk could I reasonably weigh-in, or "defend them" as you put it, when I have barely any idea of the circumstances??

Secondly....forgive me for my callousness, but I don't find the fact that someone lost wagers and felt taken advantage of by others on SBR the least bit surprising. This is a FUKKIN' DEGENERATE GAMBLING FORUM, pal. Not the facebook page of Hands Across America. What the fukk do you think goes on every fukkin' day when you put a bunch of brokedikk fukks together? Especially a bunch of young prikks with nothing but time on their hands and no money. Of course they're going to fukk each other over. Especially considering the worst that can happen is that they get yelled via computer monitor by some fukk 2000 miles away. There's no consequence when your interaction consists of avatars and fukkin' paypal. Please.

As far as the "not on my watch" heroic stance.....good luck with all that. I'm not quite sure how you watch out for anyone via tinychat, but if you've figured it out....knock yourself out. I have enough concerns with fukks trying to rob me blind IN REAL LIFE ON A DAILY FUKKIN' BASIS. I'm sorry if Bobby broadcasting his naked mom & dad via webcam fails to light a fire deep within me. Again, like I said, if I'm to be truthful.....I really couldn't give a fukk.

But kudos to you boys that have made this your mission. I'll gladly buy you a beer at the bash while you regale us all with your tales of your heroic efforts to right the wrongs committed against Bobby on tinychat.

[allabout the $$$]

bobby is a fukkin grown man. he might not be all there but do you think the casinos in vegas wont rob him blind? cmon fellas lets be real here, bobby bet - bobby lost. i dont know about the parents cutting him off stuff, but even if they did you dont think that bobby could have found action if he wanted it bad enough? i mean he was working in ac so im pretty sure he would have found the action either way. let me guess no one here has ever had a friend ask them to place a few bets and if you were on the other side you wouldnt take the fukkin action and save yourself the vig? if you say you wouldnt do that you are a fukking bullshitter.

[MendozaLine]

Zeta got fukin buried here

Kid claims to be a college grad, yet he still lives at home with mommy and daddy. Makes sense though, could this retard really make it the real world? He is either a product of incest or he is semi retarded. Maybe he's a crack baby?

[JerseyLove]

Patty and zeta are scammers lowest of the low

[King Mayan]

Did you see or remember the video Zeta made where he asked a total stranger how her pussy tastes in an attempt to get her number?

Isnt this the same dumbfukk that made a video banging pipes while wearing a gas mask??

Or how about the high iq "come get some" shooting in the woods video...

Unreal.

[Extra Innings]

Only difference was that mine were funny and I was acting. Speaking of videos, where are yours julio? You still haven't answered whether you can count to potato by the way.

[ACoochy]

Good to see we have the tribe of conservative nut-huggers checking in and on board, welcome fellas

Opie, unreal. Dont even know what to say. I only can thank fukk im not a sibling of yours. Wonder how you'd react if instead of bobby it was ur child facing (and in) a similar situation?? And dont tell me u wouldnt allow that to happen etc. Im awaiting ur response and im sure it will be basted in hypocrisy and flip-flops...Still, you never claimed to be of empathetic character..

The fact u guys moved a gambling related thread to the Saloon is also inadvertently a admittance of guilt on the behalf of one of SBR's poster boys...I smell protection here.

Higher ups running scared knowing that the image of one of their star posters has been tarnished

You truly do show that money buys neither intelligence or class. Then again you are from same state as George Bush so do we need to say anything else??? So full of ur own hot air, fake arse bleach boy.

Here we have proof that the pair of numbskulls were systematically taking advantage of someone who's light shines a little dimmer than most (through no fault of his own remember) and some of u prikks are not only disputing the facts but trying to purposely deflect from discussing the topic at hand

Now Zeta, i thought u were told not to post here anymore?!?! And whats this shit about u lot being friends?? Thats right a friend always offers -110 lines

Still, part of me thinks and wants to give you the benefit of the doubt but after reviewing the evidence its clear you knew what you were doing.

You simply saw a weak person (who coincidentally was a friend) and exposed that weakness. Good on you 'FRIEND'...

Now fukk off unless you want a bunch of trolls following you around...And dont feed me this shite about 'il post where i want to post'....

Thats not how this works...WE WILL RUN U OFF!!!

[King Mayan]

Only difference was that mine were funny and I was acting. Speaking of videos, where are yours julio? You still haven't answered whether you can count to potato by the way.

those videos werent funny.....low iq?? Yes.

julio

And yes i can count to potato, cubicle medical biller.

[RogueScholar]

Opie, I won't bother quoting your reply since it's a lot of typical conservative posturing cloaking the fact that the only person that matters to you is you. We all know what I'm about to say here is aimed at you. I've even brought it back down to an eighth grade level so you don't have to be so defensive in your next reply.

1) You claim to not "give a fukk" about this situation and yet you've made 2 rather lengthy posts in this thread alone expressing what can only be defined as covering fire for Zeta. Seeing as how your posts are typically short and lacking substance, I'd say you care (at least about Zeta) but don't have the balls to admit it. At least when I care about something, even if it doesn't directly involve me, I have the dignity and honesty to admit I care. Next time just tell me you think I care about too much of what goes on in the world, you'll look a lot smarter afterwards than you do now.

2) Whether this is a degenerate gambling chit-chat room (and for the record I want to deduct 100 IQ points from you every time I hear you use that term) or a Hands Across America e-rally, it still qualifies as a society. We are all human beings, communicating with each other, and as evidenced by your "having a snack" on Zeta's bed in his parents' house, interacting on a somewhat personal level with each other. In my worldview, that justifies a few basic concerns, one of which is making sure the weak aren't unduly exploited by the strong/unprincipled. Call it hippie liberal bullshit if you want, but I call it common decency.

3) You mentioned people trying to rob you blind on a daily basis above, and in the chat transcript I read from your own recent visit to Tinychat, you also mentioned your earnest attempt to purchase an ownership stake in SBR but having to abandon that plan because "Walker wouldn't give me [Opie] a say in how things were run." Both of these statements express some deep-seated trust issues. Now I can't tell you how to live, but from my own experience, the true richness in life comes from worrying more about what others have than what I have. Isn't that the core message that Jesus preached, and a fundamental tenet of conservative values? Your post above would seem to state the opposite, that you worry about what's yours and leave others, strong or weak, to fend for themselves.

In conclusion: Next time you get that urge to talk out of both sides of your mouth, make sure it's somewhere that I'll never hear or read about it. Quite frankly, even with the obvious practice you get, you're still no good at it.

Your money's on the dresser; I'm done with you for today.

[Extra Innings]

Opie, I assure you Bobby can hardly dress himself without his mother's help. I have a fiduciary duty to defend those who can't defend themselves. Call me Barack Hussein Obama, but what Zeta did to Bobby is illegal in most States.

[RogueScholar]

EI, you might want to edit your post and define 'fiduciary' for Opie. He seems to be very defensive when he requires a thesaurus to understand his "chit-chat room."

[Extra Innings]

Fukk that, I may need a job when I get to Texas. I consider both of you the best in your own special ways.

[ACoochy]

Opie just got hammered double time by RS

Still, he stuck up for a manipulative slimeball so what did he expect

Now Opie, lets hear you try and yet again deflect from the issue at hand. Sometimes i swear ur SBR's official PR rep...

Im almost certain you have a stock interest in this place...