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Just check out the crime rate and the lack of any murder in the past 30 years in Kennesaw, GA since they passed a mandatory gun ownership law.Comment -
<center>Statistics Indicate Gun Control Only Increases Crime
by
Pierre Lemieux
</center>It is true, as Aubin claims, that homicides have decreased in Canada over the past 15 years, although I don’t understand why he chooses 1996 as the starting year to make his point, when the 1995 C-68 law really started to come in force only in 1998. The main point, however, is that homicide rates have decreased more in the U.S., where guns have become more common, than in Canada: in fact, since 1998, the homicide rate has dropped by 33% in the US while it increased 3% in Canada.Henry Aubin’s Jan. 18 column repeats urban legends propagated by groups financed by the state to lobby the state, such as the Coalition for Gun Control.
Look at total violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants. Their rate is now about twice as high in Canada as in the U. S. The violent crime rate has dropped markedly in the U.S. since the early 1990s, but has remained basically stable here. More data is available in Professor Gary Mauser’s Fraser Forum article, Why a Drop in ‘Gun Deaths’ Cannot Justify the Gun Registry (www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/books/chapterfiles/Nov05ffmauser.pdf).
In the U. K., after the introduction of tougher gun control and a prohibition of handguns in 1997, as well as the general repression of self-defence (victims who defend themselves against violent criminals often get more severe sentences than their aggressors), violent crimes have shot up. To control exploding crime, the British government is resorting to police-state surveillance and control measures, an astounding development in the cradle of Western liberty, and the cradle of our traditional right to keep and bear arms.
Massive social-science research shows the ineffectiveness of gun control in reducing crime. It is a source of continuous amazement that gun control advocates ignore the results of criminological, historical and econometric studies by reputed scholars like (among others) John Lott, Bill Landes, Gary Kleck, James Wright, Peter Rossi, Taylor Buckner, David Kopel, Don Kates, Gary Mauser, Colin Greenwood, and Joyce Malcolm. Why?
In January 2002, two armed students of Appalachian Law School, in Virginia, stopped a mass killing in progress at the university by arresting the killer. Why don’t gun-control activists wonder why there have been no mass killings at the University of Utah, where students are allowed to carry guns? Could it be that madmen look for places where they can do more damage without being interrupted?
But these are only anecdotes. In a more serious, econometric study, John Lott and Bill Landes estimate that, from 1977 to 1999 in the U.S., deaths and injuries from multiple-victim public shootings fell on average by 78 percent when state governments decriminalized concealed carry of handguns.
Aubin admits that the proportion of homicides committed with handguns has increased. In fact, their actual number also has. He mentions that handguns are controlled “by an earlier law,” but doesn’t say that handgun registration has been on the books since 1934, and was severely strengthened by the 1977 Bill C-51. How are we supposed to square this with rising handgun violence?
Of course, gun control will reduce some crimes, because they make guns more expensive and more risky to acquire by criminals on the black market. The problem is that gun control leads to an increase in other crimes, because it imposes on honest citizens who want guns greater costs and risks than it imposes on criminals – who generally already have criminal records and don’t bother with the time and humiliation required to get a license. Gun control transmits to thugs the signal that people are defenceless – until the police arrives, after the crime. The historical and empirical evidence is that, in the net, gun control increases crime.
Emotions, anecdotes, selective and poorly analyzed data, ignorance of social-science research: this is what gun-control activists have to offer. Or perhaps they have another agenda. The way things have been going, we will soon have a Coalition for the Control of Everything.Comment -
So i wonder how many innocent kids will die today from guns?? Im sure they asked for it though as right to bear arms is in constitution after all..
Doesnt happen in my country..Comment -
Need guns in my neighborhood
Although not ghetto there are break ins
Someone try to take my shit I'm blastin themComment -
Fewer than will die from automobile wrecks.
I'm glad kids don't die from guns in your country. That's great. But then, I really don't give a fuk. Because it's not my country. I have no idea what life is like there so I'm not going to go running my mouth about it. So why do you care what happens in ours?
Why don't you mind your own fukking business?
I swear, if all you busy-body commie liberal bitches would worry more about your own shit and less about everyone else's the world would be a better place. Then people might actually do things for the right reasons and not because of the pansy-ass bullshit seen through the eyes of cowards.No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.Comment -
I found some links, but they all conflict.
From what I found, anywhere from between 15-33% of Canadians own a gun, and anywhere from 20-40% of Americans own guns. This suggests a higher rate for US ownership, however, there were several stories indicating that gun ownership in the US has "skyrocketed" in the last 3 years since Obama got elected. Unfortunately these articles did not reveal from what levels gun ownership "skyrocketed." Go figure.
All I can tell you is that in college I did a stats project on gun ownership, and at the time (probably between 2000-2002) Canadians were shown to have significantly more guns per person and higher rates of ownership. But I seem to recall our source did not include law enforcement or military personnel, which could be a main reason why the Canadian totals were higher.
But anyway, according to quick internet fishing, it would seem your suspicions are correct and mine are no longer valid. Interesting what one man's election can do isn't it?No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.Comment -
why are you liberals retarded?
you refuse to see life like it really is
gun control in america is impossible now, all you would do it is take guns away from the people who need to protect themselves , plane and simple that is the reality
now go back to putting one on the barbie and your xenophobia, you aussies hate everyone is not aussie , lot of hypocrites all of youComment -
Well u should give a fukk. Almost anything that helps save lives is a good thing and contributes towards the greater good, right??
Haha ur inferring im a coward yet u feel the need to hide behind a piece of metal that u believe will protect you
Keep it up stooge, ur emotions deliver style but nothing of substance...Comment -
If 50% of the population carried guns, do you think criminals would continue to mug and rape people?Comment -
Come and get 'em, asshole. Good luck.Comment -
Seriously, I thought this was a joke thread but apparently it was actually serious. The right to bear arms wasn't added by the founding fathers for the sole purpose of protecting yourself but to keep the government in check as well. They knew a British government that could get away with violating their God given rights because ther army had guns and they couldnt have shit. Put guns in 250 million peoples hands and a tyrannical government would not have the power to strongarm the citizens in violation of the constitution.
Governments love sheep with this idealism of limiting their rights. Its really pathetic.
Oh and btw, criminals will always get guns whether they're outlawed by government or not. Amazing some people can't grasp this concept.Comment -
Why can't they just make gun force boomerangs. Shoot and it's coming back to you. Attract the bullet to flesh back at the shooter ?
It would make it like the cuban missile crisis. Tasers would b all the rage.Comment -
Good video and the true reason behind the right to bear arms. People crying about how guns should be outlawed would prefer a government out of the movie "1984". I also found this in reference to the true story of The Battle of Athens:True fukkin' story boys, not saying I could be as brave but at least I know I have the option.
The Battle of Athens was an armed rebellion led by WWII veterans and citizens in Athens and Etowah, Tennessee, United States, against the tyrannical local government in August 1946.
IX. The Lessons of Athens
Those who took up arms in Athens, Tennessee:
- wanted honest elections, a cornerstone of our Constitutional order;
- had repeatedly tried to get Federal or State election monitors;
- used armed force so as to minimize harm to the law-breakers;
- showed little malice to the defeated law-breakers;
- restored lawful government.
The Battle of Athens clearly shows:
- how Americans can and should lawfully use armed force;
- why the Rule of Law requires unrestricted access to firearms;
- how civilians with military-type firearms can beat the forces of "law and order".
Dictators believe that public order is more important than the Rule of Law. However, Americans reject this idea. Criminals can exploit for selfish ends, the use armed force to restore the Rule of Law. But brutal political repression - as practiced by Cantrell and Mansfield - is lethal to many. An individual criminal can harm a handful of people. Governments alone can brutalize thousands, or millions.
Since 1915, officials of seven governments "gone bad" have committed genocide, murdering at least 56 million persons, including millions of children. "Gun control" clears the way for genocide by giving governments "gone bad" far greater freedom to commit mass murder.
Law-abiding McMinn Countians won the Battle of Athens because they were not hamstrung by "gun control". McMinn Countians showed us when citizens can and should use armed force to support the Rule of Law. We are all in their debt.
This is a bare bones summary of a major report in JPFO's Firearms Sentinel (January 1995). To learn how the gutsy people of Athens, Tennessee did the Framers of the Constitution proud, send $3 to JPFO, 2872 South Wentworth Avenue; Milwaukee, WI 53207; and request the January 1995 Firearms Sentinel. This document is from: chiliast@ideasign.com (A.K. Pritchard)Last edited by brainfreeze0; 03-31-12, 02:52 AM.Comment -
Thanks, I didn't feel like typing it all out again since I did already in the gun thread in the politics forum.
The good thing is that democrats have stopped pushing this very hard since it's a political loser. You can count on our politicians to not be principled (in this case, for the good).Comment -
Somehow i have managed to not get shot living my whole life in a city with one of the highest crime rates in the nation.
It is about who you hang with and what you do with your free time.
You have to respect life, something people just don't do these days.Comment -
Guns don't kill people, people kill people! If they outlaw guns, the only ones being punished are legal gun owners. Murders aren't usually committed by licensed responsible gun owners. They're committed by people who aren't the registered owners. This case being the exception rather than the rule. This Zimmerman case is way too overblown. Everyone making it about race. I honestly believe racism would somewhat die if "the activists" would put it to bed. People like Sharpton & Jackson use race as a platform to justify a career. Where would they be otherwise? Why dont they give the same effort to stop black on black crime? Is it a tragic event that this kid died? Sure it is. I've been a paramedic for 16 years. I've seen plenty of people killed, all tragic in their own way. The Gov of Florida has appointed a special prosecutor to investigate. If he's guilty he'll be tried by his peers. One thing to keep in mind though, "innocent until proven guilty". People are already assuming Trayvon was innocent, why aren't they affording Zimmerman the same principal? It isn't right for you to assume one is innocent if you aren't assuming the same holds true for the other person. In no way am I advocating Zimmerman! I'm advocating the right to a fair trial based on the principals of our judicial system. It's the same standard that you would want afford you if you were in his place.Last edited by firehoyt; 03-31-12, 05:59 AM.Comment -
East coast dudes are pillow-bitersComment -
This is clearly a mod posting under JJ's name.Comment -
no way JJ would start a thread like thisComment -
I believe you simply aren't thinking clearly. If a rapist had a 50% chance that the women he was about to attack was going to try to shoot him, I think he would be a lot more hesitant.
I have yet to have my brains blown out while walking down the street, and don't think the odds of it happening would be increased if I carried a concealed weapon.
I do know that if I carried a concealed weapon and some nut ran in a classroom shooting people, I would pull it out and shoot him in the face.Comment -
yeah i'm thinking about getting my concealed carry and carrying a gun everywhere i go. too many lunatics out thereComment -
Take a look at guy in my avatar and that is all you need to know
Do you want this guy in your neighborhood???????????????????????????? ?????????????????????Comment -
A woman who tries to reach for a gun will most likely be shot and killed instead of just being raped. The attacker always has an advantage. There's always a chance she might win.......lottery on your life.
You take the walking down the street example too literally, anywhere you are in life, someone can shoot you before you even know wtf happened. No one cares what weapon you have on you because it won't matter. Do you not understand that?
Everyone on the internet thinks they are Rambo or something. Yup you'll stop every crime that is happening in front of you, you'll never miss, the bad guys have no chance.
When criminals shoot other criminals, when gangs fight other gangs, why are they not "hesitant"? They know all these people carry guns, they know they will be firing back, why does this continue? All these gangs are armed, no one should be attacking them right, they should never be dying right?
These threads are comedy. At this point, whatever laws you change or don't change won't matter because the society is already created. If you ban guns, crime will go on, if you give everyone a gun to protect themselves, crime will go on. Have fun.Comment -
look pal, if someone really wants a gun it doesn't matter if it is against the law they are going to find a way to get one.
You think all these thugs running around gang bangin got guns legally? hell no
it is our right as americans to have a gun. If i had a gun and somebody put there hands on me they are getting blasted.Comment -
right now I only carry a knife but you know they say about taking a knife to a gun fight.Comment -
I'm thinking about getting a taser too. you guys ever seen those things? my aunt has one and she keeps it in her purse incase somebody try to rob herComment
