They are amazing people really. They just will not budge. My friend from high school is a world class closet case. Very messed up in the head, has pictures of himself all over the apartment including a giant framed photo of himself as a boy. Its like walking into hitlers house. Incredibly controlling, sneaky, mind games ect. Cares about his reputation more than his dying mother and will do anything to protect it. And thats including putting his thingy inside that 2nd hole instead of rubbing it against another pole