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It holds a lot more water than random people on the internet starting rumors that bombs were planted. A lot of these theories are unsubstantiated and just things people thought up in their heads. In other words, there isn't any evidence. Even the man that designed the buildings agreed with the article.
Building 7 did not experience a normal building fire and it was severely damaged during the collapse. I thought it was pretty obvious these weren't normal fires we were dealing with.Comment -
There are some logical arguments here as well http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
Reading it would never hurt you. Sharing ideas is key for all of us to learn something.Comment -
It holds a lot more water than people dreaming up scenarios in their head that missles were fired, bombs were planted, and hundreds of thousands of people were all involved in an inside operation that killed thousands of their own people.
I just used popular mechanics as one example backing me up. There are plenty of others that back me up as well, including the man that designed the building.
I have more evidence in my opinion than conspiracy theorists have in theirs.
There is no evidence of bombs. There is evidence of the support structure melting.
Anyway, we can argue minute things like buildings collapsing, planes crashing, etc. It doesn't really matter. The whole pretense that the government did this and it was an inside job is absurd considering what would have to be done to pull this off. It's impossible. Conspiracy theories can try to muddy the picture by bring up different things but the whole theory all of this crap revolves around is the government doing it and it just isn't feasible.
Why would the government do this?
I already explained how many people would have to be involved. I doubt you could secretly coordinate hundreds of thousands of people and get them all to stay quite.Comment -
you wouldn't need 100's of thousand of people
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I've given plenty of evidence. That was just one example. Even the man who designed the building agrees.
Besides, my examples hold more water than random people on the internet coming up with outrageous theories in their heads without any proof.
No one saw any bombs. No one same any missiles. No one saw a plane get shot down. I could go on an on. These are all just theories people made up.Comment -
G*d Bless all Mossad and they can take out anyone they want at anytime...המוסד
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please look at the geo political situation pre 911
the peace dividend was finally paying off, the jews needed america to start in after their neighbors who were gaining strength , they will do anything to survive , you think they give a fuk about a few americans
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No building has ever fell like the trade centers with out implosion. It would be an engineering miracle if they fell that way with just a plane crash.Comment -
fukkin mossad. Israeli scum!Comment -
To whoever posted about the B-25 hitting the empire state building, here's a comparison:
B-25 is 40,000 pounds fully loaded. Maximum speed of 275 mph. Fuel capacity of 670 gallons. On top of that was there any reason for the plane to be fully fueled? B-25 has a 67 foot wingspan, 53 feet long.
767 is 300,000+ pounds depending on load, has a fuel tank of 16700 gallons (or 24,100 on some models) and can fly 530mph. 767 has a 153+ foot wingspan depending on version and is 159+ feet long. To compare the two planes is not even possible.
It's pretty simple how the towers fell. The floors that were the hottest reached somewhere around 750 degrees Celsius, which means the temperature on those floors was 1300-1400 degrees Fahrenheit. This is not hot enough to actually melt steel, but that's not necessary.
See this graph: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/me...th-d_1353.html
You can see that by 1100 degrees Fahrenheit the strength of structural steel is only about 30% of what it is at normal temperature, and the strength is rapidly decreasing.
At 800 degrees Celsius steel only has 10% of the strength it does at a normal temperature.
Even if the steel still had 20% of its original strength, there is no way it could support the weight of the floors above it. There were 19 floors above the impact zone on the north tower. The towers weighed 1 billion pounds each. Simple math says that means there were 190 million pounds of weight above the impact zone (and more on the south tower, which was hit lower). That's 190 million pounds that gravity is trying to pull down, and more on the south tower, with the steel at only 1/5th of it's normal strength.
If the strength of the steel was 20% of what it was before being impacted (and this does not account for structural damage by the impact of the 300,000+ pound plane impact), then the factor of safety would have had to exceeded 5 to 1.
Most sky scrapers are built with a factor of safety of 3 to 1. Even if the WTC was built at 5 to 1 it would have eventually fallen due to the strength of the steel being lessened by at least a factor of 5 (if only 15% of the strength remained, a factor of 6.67 would be required for the building to stand).
As for how WTC 7 fell, it was on fire as well and left to burn for days, plus the impact from the twin towers falling created, for lack of a better term, an earthquake, which could have easily damaged the structure to some degree.
Finally, for those who think the towers were rigged with explosives:
How the fukk do you explain how the explosives did not explode in the fire or the explosion of the plane? Then they just magically went off at the push of a button? And right at the impact zone? Yeah, okay...Comment -
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How Mossad got Eichmann was unbelievable and nobody else in the world could of pulled that off....המוסד
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In 1965, three young Israeli Mossad agents on a secret mission capture and kill a notorious Nazi war criminal. Now, thirty years later, a man claiming to be the Nazi has surfaced in Ukraine and one of the former agents must go back undercover to seek out the truth.Comment -
and again, larry silversteinn said "pull the building" meaning they had to have something in place to make it fall!Comment -
No he didn't!
He said pull IT, meaning the firefighting operation. Do you know what it means to pull a building? It means pulling it down with cables, not explosives! They even did this to 1 or 2 of the smaller WTC buildings during cleanup.
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Pull a building with cables? This was a 1500 ft tall building..not the three little pigs house.No he didn't!
He said pull IT, meaning the firefighting operation. Do you know what it means to pull a building? It means pulling it down with cables, not explosives! They even did this to 1 or 2 of the smaller WTC buildings during cleanup.
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That's kinda my point... the term 'pull' doesn't mean 'use explosives' to people who do demolitions. It means using cables, which obviously didn't happen to building 7. This proves my point that Silverstein was talking about pulling the firefighting operation, not the building.
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This is such a sad thread.
We all got sucked in by some conspiracy theory monkey who wanted to ruin our day.
His drivel won and we lost.
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Also all of the Jewish employee's were not working in the WTC's on that day.Comment -
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ahmadinejad is a bad, rotten dictator! the tv told me he is rotten, just like chavez, so it must be true. has nothing to do with the oil underground in iran that he won't give to us. also has nothing to do with his proximity to israel. libya, pakistan, iraq, afghanistan, all those people are evil too! and it has nothing to do with their proximity to israel or their heroin/oil...
we must show how good and decent we can be as human beings by blowing up millions more of these people! that will really show the world how great we are, and everyone will love us. doesn't matter if it costs $15 trillion or $50 trillion, it's worth it.Comment -
He is right. However, I have a feeling he is on the same side as those who did 9/11.
What better way to turn people off to the truth then by connecting it with somebody people think is a lunatic.Comment
WTC 7 collapsed at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11.
