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  • gwiz
    SBR MVP
    • 02-09-10
    • 1790

    #666
    right, you make man a god.

    not a new concept

    I miss your point about punishment.
    who is responsible when a drone airplane flown from half way around the world kills innocent people?

    By your own words it is you.Because they make the exact same identical claim to the T

    that you do.

    They are punishing someone; anyone to accomplish the impossible
    Last edited by gwiz; 02-16-11, 12:34 AM.
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    • The Madcap
      SBR MVP
      • 07-03-10
      • 2808

      #667
      Originally posted by gwiz
      right, you make man a god.

      not a new concept

      I miss your point about punishment.
      who is responsible when a drone airplane flown from half way around the world kills innocent people?

      By your own words it is you.Because they make the exact same identical claim to the T

      that you do.

      They are punishing someone; anyone to accomplish the impossible
      I'm not making man a God. I'm simply acknowledging that man is responsible for himself.

      Drones: innocent people are always caught up in the wake of waring peoples. It is tragic, but also inevitable.

      Islamic terrorists blowing up civilians on American soil because they have the audacity to believe the Jews have a right to exist isn't even close to being an identical claim. Were you raised in Pakistan?

      The only thing standing between more death and peace is the insistence of Muslims that they get what they want or others perish. I am of the disposition that one stands up to a bully rather than live under his rule. When the Muslim world ceases trying to eradicate Jews from the earth, there will be peace. And not until then. If they are going to insist on killing Jews, then the US will insist on killing them. That's how it's going to work. It is an unfortunate reality, but it is the reality nonetheless.

      I am not sympathetic to Jews, nor am I sympathetic to Muslims. I simply want people to learn how to get along with one another without killing one another. Both sides have over-stepped their bounds at times. It is regrettable, but that's the way it is. When the Islamic world stands up for peace, I will stand with them. And not until then.
      No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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      • gwiz
        SBR MVP
        • 02-09-10
        • 1790

        #668
        You are full of propaganda

        you do make man a god because if he was responsible for himself then others would have no right to punish him for his mistakes.

        If it is inevitable for innocent life to be taken then I guess you lose your position of retaliating because they killed 3000 innocent people.

        You say the U.S. is gonna retaliate for the killing of jews and I have to wonder why?

        Tiger Woods was just in an islamic arab country in the middle east,so apparently it is not as anarchic or dangerous as one might think in that part of the world
        Last edited by gwiz; 02-16-11, 07:26 PM.
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        • The Madcap
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          • 07-03-10
          • 2808

          #669
          Originally posted by gwiz
          You are full of propaganda

          you do make man a god because if he was responsible for himself then others would have no right to punish him for his mistakes.

          If it is inevitable for innocent life to be taken then I guess you lose your position of retaliating because they killed 3000 innocent people.

          You say the U.S. is gonna retaliate for the killing of jews and I have to wonder why?

          Tiger Woods was just in an islamic arab country in the middle east,so apparently it is not as anarchic or dangerous as one might think in that part of the world
          I think I'm just going to start calling you "Non-sequitor."

          Originally posted by gwiz
          you do make man a god because if he was responsible for himself then others would have no right to punish him for his mistakes.
          Obviously this sentiment has nothing to do with my line of thought, so check.

          Originally posted by gwiz


          If it is inevitable for innocent life to be taken then I guess you lose your position of retaliating because they killed 3000 innocent people.
          Obviously, deliberately killing innocent people to start a fight and accidentally doing so to end one are not the same thing, so check again.

          Originally posted by gwiz
          You say the U.S. is gonna retaliate for the killing of jews and I have to wonder why?
          Actually, that's not what I said.

          Another check.

          Originally posted by gwiz

          Tiger Woods was just in an islamic arab country in the middle east,so apparently it is not as anarchic or dangerous as one might think in that part of the world
          At no point did I state that all Muslims or Islamic countries are dangerous. Check one more time.

          Yup, I think it's safe to say that you are the one full of lies and propaganda. "Non-sequitur" it is.

          Here's a tip: if you want to have a useful discussion with somebody, discuss what they've actually stated they believe, and not some projection of what you think they believe. Otherwise you just end up arguing with yourself. Although something tells me you're used to that by now.
          No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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          • Socrates
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 02-24-10
            • 923

            #670
            Atheist
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            • gwiz
              SBR MVP
              • 02-09-10
              • 1790

              #671
              "I'm simply acknowledging that man is responsible for himself."

              If he is responsible for himself he can only answer to himself.

              If he is responsible for or to others he has to answer to them.I know what you are trying to say but the fact that I reply in a different sense doesn't mean I miss your point,if I think I miss your point I will tell you.

              "It is my belief we are living in the absence of God which has led me to believe that it is the responsibility of man to determine humanity's fate."

              this is propaganda in the sense that "humanity's fate" is not in the hands of humanity.



              "innocent people are always caught up in the wake of waring peoples. It is tragic, but also inevitable."

              you say it is inevitable and in the basest sense of that I agree,but that doesn't change the fact that it is criminal

              "The only thing standing between more death and peace is the insistence of Muslims that they get what they want or others perish."

              total propaganda."The only thing" really? how much do you really know about Jewish beliefs?

              "Why don't you stop bitching and grow a pair, and man up and realize that some people will have to be dealt with by the harsh hand of human wrath to prevent their sickness from spreading."

              If you were the one judged as sick I think you would regret feeling this way.

              "I will not stand by to see innocent civilians in my country murdered by terrorists."

              They consider themselves peaceful,certainly the innocent ones that are caught in the middle,they certainly aren't gonna blame their beliefs because they don't believe what you think they do{they want to destroy all jews**


              "My thoughts on religion or the tribe I belong to have nothing to do with any of it. You try and kill me, whatever the reason, and I'm going to kill you back. It's simple."

              they think you're the devil because you don't believe in god,you say you are gonna try and kill them back and they say try and kill us and god is gonna kill you back

              and the bombs dropping on their innocent people because you say those people are just in the way of the people connected to the people who kill here, which is about as true as you being the one going over there and killing them
              but you think you don't say that because you word it different



              " When the Muslim world ceases trying to eradicate Jews from the earth, there will be peace"

              you have the ability to know when there will be peace on earth.Should I just bow now have I actually found god

              "If they are going to insist on killing Jews, then the US will insist on killing them."

              WHY? This has nothing to do with the founding concepts of this Country.

              I acknowledge I am not perfect and make errors constantly,I also respect your viewpoints and see they are rooted in cold hard facts as you see them,I am just trying to show you that what you see isn't all knowing and others have a viewpoint.
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              • gwiz
                SBR MVP
                • 02-09-10
                • 1790

                #672
                I would love to clean that up and make it with all the qoutes like you did Madcap,

                Are you willing to teach me ?
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                • The Madcap
                  SBR MVP
                  • 07-03-10
                  • 2808

                  #673
                  Originally posted by gwiz
                  I would love to clean that up and make it with all the qoutes like you did Madcap,

                  Are you willing to teach me ?
                  Are you kidding and being a smart ass, or sincerely asking for help?

                  If you are sincerely asking for help I should tell you that your method of changing the font color is effective enough and probably more efficient than how I go about it. But if you'd like to know I'll tell you, even though I'm sure there are much better ways of doing it. I don't know shit about computers.
                  No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                  • StackinGreen
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 10-09-10
                    • 12140

                    #674
                    Originally posted by Socrates
                    Atheist
                    Why is your name Socrates, then?
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                    • DeeVeeOSs
                      SBR Hustler
                      • 07-03-10
                      • 71

                      #675
                      I just wanna say that it's ironic to me that in the middle of Muslim land, there is a country, Israel.
                      -
                      They are about the only country that hasn't been in the news due to civil unrest.
                      In Egypt's case I think the issue was, "we can't afford food".
                      -
                      Now.
                      -
                      Unless you're trying to tell me that those Israelite fatcats are sitting content because, "they worked real hard and those lazy Muslims reaped what they sowed when they took extra breaks and called in sick on Fridays," Unless that's your stand, then you tell me.
                      Israel is so great, and it's surroundings are so weak because.........
                      ???

                      Also, you nitwit, do you know how many fighter planes the states has bought Egypt aka The Muslims?

                      "as long as the insist on BLABLABLA"

                      You make up your own world and your mind is feeble for it.

                      @#$% you and your horse.
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                      • The Madcap
                        SBR MVP
                        • 07-03-10
                        • 2808

                        #676

                        you say it is inevitable and in the basest sense of that I agree,but that doesn't change the fact that it is criminal

                        Criminal? Maybe so, maybe not. Sometimes in these situations abuses occur in ways that are recklessly negligent more often than they should. And yes, in those instances, I think criminal is a proper term to define them. However, sometimes these inevitabilities are neither an abuse or negligent, but the mere unfortunate and tragic consequences of violence. I would not describe these occurrences as criminal. Lamentable certainly, but not criminal.

                        Some would say dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a criminal act. I say they were given advanced warning and multiple chances to surrender and thus avoid the ensuing destruction. They refused.


                        If you were the one judged as sick I think you would regret feeling this way.

                        Perhaps you're right. But then I don't go around killing people out of hate. If deciding I'd rather not kill people for no good reason is "sick," then I wouldn't want to be a part of this world anyway.

                        They consider themselves peaceful,

                        And Rosie O'Donnell probably thinks she's smart.

                        And by "they," who are you referring to? Anyone who straps a bomb to their back and rushes into a crowd of women and children dining at a cafe cannot possibly be considered peaceful.

                        certainly the innocent ones that are caught in the middle,they certainly aren't gonna blame their beliefs because they don't believe what you think they do{they want to destroy all jews**

                        The innocent ones aren't the ones going around clamoring for the annihilation of the Jews are they?

                        which is about as true as you being the one going over there and killing them
                        but you think you don't say that because you word it different

                        You're exactly right. That's probably why I haven't displayed too much sympathy for them. In America, and the rest of the civilized world, those who preach hate and destruction are rooted out from within and either destroyed or completely marginalized. If the Muslims had the same sort of self-policing accountability, the U.S. would have never had to have gotten involved.

                        you have the ability to know when there will be peace on earth.Should I just bow now have I actually found god

                        There was a time when whites in America were at war with both the natives and the descendants of slaves. We eventually learned to live in peace. (For the most part) When the powers that be throughout the Muslim world come to accept the right of the Jews to exist, as whites in America eventually did with the natives and the blacks, then there will be peace.

                        WHY? This has nothing to do with the founding concepts of this Country.

                        Self-preservation is a founding concept of every country.

                        (PS: I actually like your color change trick better. It's much faster.)
                        No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                        • gwiz
                          SBR MVP
                          • 02-09-10
                          • 1790

                          #677
                          Originally posted by The Madcap
                          Are you kidding and being a smart ass, or sincerely asking for help?

                          If you are sincerely asking for help I should tell you that your method of changing the font color is effective enough and probably more efficient than how I go about it. But if you'd like to know I'll tell you, even though I'm sure there are much better ways of doing it. I don't know shit about computers.
                          it's cool if that's good enough then I'll accept that,It does seem the way you did it might take awhile if you are doing what I think you are
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                          • gwiz
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-09-10
                            • 1790

                            #678
                            Originally posted by The Madcap

                            They consider themselves peaceful,

                            And Rosie O'Donnell probably thinks she's smart.

                            And by "they," who are you referring to? Anyone who straps a bomb to their back and rushes into a crowd of women and children dining at a cafe cannot possibly be considered peaceful.

                            When I say "they" I mean the people who are just everyday people like me and you and grew up with a system shoved down their throat threw rote

                            Origin:
                            1605–15; < Arabic islām literally, submission (to God)

                            Also called Muhammadanism

                            Word Origin & History

                            Islam
                            "religious system revealed by Muhammad," 1818, from Arabic, lit. "submission" (to the will of God), from root of aslama "he resigned, he surrendered, he submitted," causative conjunction of salima "he was safe," and related to salam "peace." Islamic is attested from 1791. Earlier Eng. names for the faith include Muhammadism (1614) and Ismaelism (1604), which in part is from Ishmaelite, a name formerly given (esp. by Jews) to Arabs, as descendants of Ishmael (q.v.), and in part from Arabic Ismailiy, name of the Shiite sect that after 765 C.E. followed the Imamship through descendants of Ismail (Arabic for Ishmael ), eldest son of Jafar, the sixth Imam. The Ismailians were not numerous, but among them were the powerful Fatimid dynasty in Egypt and the Assassins, both of whom loomed large in European imagination.



                            Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper
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                            An interesting side note,the King of Jordan is a direct descendant of the man who"revealed" Islam to the world

                            Ismael is a son of Abram who is directly connected to the tribe of Israel,the father of them all

                            the tribe of Isreal is made up from Isaac who came from Abram and Sarah

                            Ismael is the direct progenitor of the Arab people

                            Hagar is Ismael's mother's name,Hagar was an Egyptian "Handmaid"
                            1) maid, maid-servant, slavegirl
                            a) maid, maid-servant (as belonging to a mistress

                            here is what genesis says of Ismael

                            Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man ; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren .

                            it doesn't speak kindly of many of the tribes of Israel either though so I wouldn't try and use that passage as a "I told ya so" type of thing

                            here is another from the bible about Islamic people bear in mind.

                            Gen 17:20And as for Ishmael , I have heard thee : Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful , and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget , and I will make him a great nation .
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                            • gwiz
                              SBR MVP
                              • 02-09-10
                              • 1790

                              #679
                              If anyone still doubts the bible contains elements of true history of the world they live in it shouldn't take much more than that to convince them

                              when was the last time your family had it's own nation and people wanting to be a part of it
                              Last edited by gwiz; 02-16-11, 11:14 PM.
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                              • DeeVeeOSs
                                SBR Hustler
                                • 07-03-10
                                • 71

                                #680
                                Why does this bone head insist on fighting a tree.
                                A one-sided rule book where punches only go one way.

                                1. How would this dingbat like being compared to Bundy and being reputed of having Dahlmer's attributes simply because he's American?

                                2. Has this fool not yet considered that "Muslim" to an Iraqi, Sudanese, Egyptian, Iranian, is NOT AT ALL like "Christian" to an American; but rather, like "The Star Spangled Banner" ?

                                3. It annoys me that the wrong 3000 were in that tower that day. Why couldn't those cats have censored the truly fat mouths of America on an individual basis, individual merit.

                                Wanna bet this sucker might have made the CUT ?

                                I'm done with this fool.

                                Zero capacity for empathy or anything beyond his 'less than' monkey brain.
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                                • DeeVeeOSs
                                  SBR Hustler
                                  • 07-03-10
                                  • 71

                                  #681
                                  Perhaps you're right. But then I don't go around killing people out of hate.


                                  That's exactly what you do.

                                  You've got all Muslims pigeonholed into "hating you" and "obeying the Koran."
                                  You might hide your hatred so that you can keep your "moral high-ground" but aside from that, a rose is a rose.

                                  "Oh well, those bombs, killing kids, that's just collateral, no biggie. Killing puppies is fine. It's just the costs of what THEY started."

                                  You're damn right you condone it or you'd march on your government to stop it.

                                  You think because you aren't mission control ordering those bombs dropped that you're not responsible?

                                  This isnt IRAQ. The people of Iraq are exempt from Saddam's horrendous garbage.
                                  The people of Saudi Arabia are exempt from Osama's horrendous garbage.

                                  YOU are NOT exempt from your govt's horrendous BS because you are in a democracy.
                                  Giddit Jack?

                                  Bush getting a second term sends a message loud and clear about you and your so called "LACK of hatred and willingness to MURDER."
                                  So try to convince me and yourself that "I don't go around killing people out of hate" but you're not fooling anyone and the proof is in the putting. Your condoning American weapons overseas puts you in the 51% that voted that asshole back in.
                                  Your condoning American weapons overseas means that " I don't go around killing people out of hate," is a garbage statement and a lie both direct and indirect.

                                  Also, your dying in a robbery isn't BAD, it's just an unfortunate side-effect of the act of robbing.
                                  According to you, it's just fine as long as the robbery felt it was all necessary. Subjective high-ground.

                                  Also, if I send Biggs to do you with a piano wire, I suppose I'm not the murderer, Biggs is huh?
                                  Last edited by DeeVeeOSs; 02-17-11, 12:39 AM.
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                                  • The Madcap
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 07-03-10
                                    • 2808

                                    #682
                                    Originally posted by DeeVeeOSs
                                    Perhaps you're right. But then I don't go around killing people out of hate.


                                    That's exactly what you do.

                                    You've got all Muslims pigeonholed into "hating you" and "obeying the Koran."
                                    You might hide your hatred so that you can keep your "moral high-ground" but aside from that, a rose is a rose.

                                    "Oh well, those bombs, killing kids, that's just collateral, no biggie. Killing puppies is fine. It's just the costs of what THEY started."

                                    You're damn right you condone it or you'd march on your government to stop it.

                                    You think because you aren't mission control ordering those bombs dropped that you're not responsible?

                                    This isnt IRAQ. The people of Iraq are exempt from Saddam's horrendous garbage.
                                    The people of Saudi Arabia are exempt from Osama's horrendous garbage.

                                    YOU are NOT exempt from your govt's horrendous BS because you are in a democracy.
                                    Giddit Jack?

                                    Bush getting a second term sends a message loud and clear about you and your so called "LACK of hatred and willingness to MURDER."
                                    So try to convince me and yourself that "I don't go around killing people out of hate" but you're not fooling anyone and the proof is in the putting. Your condoning American weapons overseas puts you in the 51% that voted that asshole back in.
                                    Your condoning American weapons overseas means that " I don't go around killing people out of hate," is a garbage statement and a lie both direct and indirect.

                                    Also, your dying in a robbery isn't BAD, it's just an unfortunate side-effect of the act of robbing.
                                    According to you, it's just fine as long as the robbery felt it was all necessary. Subjective high-ground.

                                    Also, if I send Biggs to do you with a piano wire, I suppose I'm not the murderer, Biggs is huh?


                                    What in the hell are you talking about?

                                    When did I EVER "pigeon-hole" Muslims as having to be this or that? You're inferring that because you want to. I guess because you need to so as to have cause to keep up your obvious hatred and disapproval of all Americans.

                                    There's a Mosque a block down my street. I walk by it several times a week. They are always nice and friendly. They hold bake sales to raise money, sometimes I help out. I've helped them arrange after-hours rental of our local swimming pool so the girls can swim. I don't hate them, they don't hate me. We get along perfectly fine. Now, that would change instantly if they began marching in the streets demanding the destruction of the synagogue a mile down the road and randomly suicide bombing local restaurants to make their point.


                                    You think because you aren't mission control ordering those bombs dropped that you're not responsible?


                                    No. The exact opposite actually. Did you even read what I've been writing? You might need to brush up on your English.

                                    YOU are NOT exempt from your govt's horrendous BS because you are in a democracy.
                                    Giddit Jack?

                                    But what if I didn't vote for Bush?

                                    What else am I suppose to do? Strap a bomb on my back and run up to the White House screaming "allah akbar" as loud as I can?

                                    You're a terrorist sympathizer aren't you? Well you know what? F*CK YOU. And your mother. And all your family.

                                    You're the reason we're even over there. Do you really think Americans give a shit about the middle east? Are you serious? We've got the NFL, an endless supply of booze, marijuana, and Halle Berry flashing her tittays up on the big screen. Do you really think that in the middle of a day drinking beer, watching football, and taking bong hits we give two shits about what the fuk Muslims believe? WE DON'T CARE.

                                    All we care about is that some Muslims happen to be crazy fuking murderers, and if someone doesn't stop them, well then, we might be next, and no longer able to get drunk and watch football while day dreaming about Halle Berry's mind-blowingly awesome breasts. These assholes have been hijacking planes and cruise ships and blowing up innocent people for over 30 years. And for the most part, the USA just kind of let it happen. But then they blew up the World Trade Center and tried to destroy the Pentagon. What, you thought we were just going to sit back and let that shit stand?

                                    You need to pull your head out of your ass and have a serious reality check asshole. Any deaths going down in the middle east at the hands of a western civilization are going down because you and your pussy friends refused to stand up to the crazy shitheads that started bombing people. So now we have to deal with it. Trust me asshole, we've got better things to do. Like drink beer, watch football, and pound one out to images of Halle Berry's .

                                    You don't like Americans and their missiles in the middle east? Then I suggest you pick up a gun and start killing everybody over there who lets their religion convince themselves it's acceptable to murder people for no reason other than their faith. If you had killed those assholes in the first place, we wouldn't have to. Capice?
                                    Last edited by The Madcap; 02-17-11, 04:36 AM.
                                    No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                                    • Nittany Lion
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                                      #683
                                      Agnostic here.
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                                      • The Madcap
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                                        • 07-03-10
                                        • 2808

                                        #684
                                        Originally posted by gwiz
                                        An interesting side note,the King of Jordan is a direct descendant of the man who"revealed" Islam to the world

                                        Ismael is a son of Abram who is directly connected to the tribe of Israel,the father of them all

                                        the tribe of Isreal is made up from Isaac who came from Abram and Sarah

                                        Ismael is the direct progenitor of the Arab people

                                        Hagar is Ismael's mother's name,Hagar was an Egyptian "Handmaid"
                                        1) maid, maid-servant, slavegirl
                                        a) maid, maid-servant (as belonging to a mistress

                                        here is what genesis says of Ismael

                                        Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man ; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren .

                                        it doesn't speak kindly of many of the tribes of Israel either though so I wouldn't try and use that passage as a "I told ya so" type of thing

                                        here is another from the bible about Islamic people bear in mind.

                                        Gen 17:20And as for Ishmael , I have heard thee : Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful , and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget , and I will make him a great nation .
                                        I'm missing your point. Are you saying that if my father is a murderer that I must also be a murderer?
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                                        No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                                        • sporx
                                          SBR Rookie
                                          • 09-29-08
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                                          #685
                                          Sorry, we couldn&rsquo;t find that page
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                                          • DeeVeeOSs
                                            SBR Hustler
                                            • 07-03-10
                                            • 71

                                            #686
                                            You still haven't mastered the word "religion" and it's application to the middle east vs it's application to the west.

                                            It's not the same things at all.

                                            You have Culture. You have Country. You have Religion.

                                            Those 3 are not really separate as can be there.

                                            So stop this horseshit scapegoat strawman you have going on in that little mind of yours.


                                            And don't call me a terrorist sympathizer.
                                            I don't sympathize with you.

                                            Also, in the spirit of the way you meant it,
                                            maybe you view me as a sympathizer because you're actually a racist asshole that thinks
                                            that people from the middle east who use their voice first, and then actions next the best way they know how, makes for a terrorist.

                                            From the looks of you, your spirit, your attitude, your petty thought process, your general demeanor...

                                            ...if you were born ANYWHERE NEAR the middle east...

                                            ...you'd have died in a market with a bomb strapped to your chest a LONG time ago.

                                            You'd be the type of Middle Easterner that you call a "terrorist".


                                            Your disrespect for life is my first clue.
                                            Your failure to even grasp an INKLING of what equality is, not only makes me sick to my stomache, but is my second clue.
                                            Last edited by DeeVeeOSs; 02-17-11, 12:30 PM.
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                                            • swaindexter
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                                              #687
                                              That depends, is today a holiday in any religion?
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                                              • The Madcap
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                                                #688
                                                Originally posted by DeeVeeOSs

                                                people from the middle east who use their voice first, and then actions next the best way they know how, makes for a terrorist.
                                                If the "best way they know how" is to bomb the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, then yes, that makes them a terrorist.

                                                Are you telling me you thought that was a good idea? That such a move was really the best way to get what they wanted?

                                                And tell me, please, because the curiosity is killing me at this point, what is it you think they wanted, that they didn't have, that they thought they could only get by bombing the U.S.? What exactly would you say they were fighting for?

                                                Originally posted by DeeVeeOSs
                                                Your failure to even grasp an INKLING of what equality is, not only makes me sick to my stomache, but is my second clue.
                                                MY failure to grasp what equality is?

                                                Well if your definition of equality is beating women and treating them like sex slaves and going around killing people who worship God in a different way, then you're right, I have completely failed to grasp the concept of equality.
                                                No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                                                • THE PROFIT
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                                                  • 11-27-09
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                                                  #689
                                                  this thread has legs
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                                                  • The Madcap
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                                                    #690
                                                    Originally posted by DeeVeeOSs


                                                    From the looks of you, your spirit, your attitude, your petty thought process, your general demeanor...

                                                    ...if you were born ANYWHERE NEAR the middle east...

                                                    ...you'd have died in a market with a bomb strapped to your chest a LONG time ago.


                                                    Whatever you've got to tell yourself shithead.

                                                    It's not my style to go around killing people just because they practice their religion differently. Especially not innocent women and children.

                                                    If I was born anywhere near the Middle East, I probably would have just moved to the United States. Or maybe New Zealand.
                                                    No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                                                    • JohnGalt2341
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                                                      • 12-31-09
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                                                      #691
                                                      Originally posted by THE PROFIT
                                                      this thread has legs
                                                      Indeed! I often wonder about if there IS intelligent life on other planets(I believe there is) do they all have religion like we do? My guess is yes... not because I think there is a god but because I think it's natural to think that way... especially in primitive society's. I wonder what an entire planet of Atheists would be like? They're probably watching over us now laughing about our Wars over invisible men in the sky.
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                                                      • The Madcap
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                                                        #692
                                                        Originally posted by JohnGalt2341
                                                        Indeed! I often wonder about if there IS intelligent life on other planets(I believe there is) do they all have religion like we do? My guess is yes... not because I think there is a god but because I think it's natural to think that way... especially in primitive society's. I wonder what an entire planet of Atheists would be like? They're probably watching over us now laughing about our Wars over invisible men in the sky.
                                                        True, but then they'd probably be at war over something we think is equally as dumb.
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                                                        No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                                                        • gwiz
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 02-09-10
                                                          • 1790

                                                          #693
                                                          Originally posted by The Madcap
                                                          I'm missing your point. Are you saying that if my father is a murderer that I must also be a murderer?
                                                          I don't think I was making that point,but it is an interesting question and makes me wonder how far men would go.

                                                          my point was in the next post,

                                                          that post makes a direct link from a man named in the bible to a man alive today ruling over people as a King,and that man is a descendant of the man who created Islam.

                                                          I thought it was interesting and at the same time shows how the bloodlines of some men have indeed been tracked since the time of the writings of those old books.
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                                                          • DeeVeeOSs
                                                            SBR Hustler
                                                            • 07-03-10
                                                            • 71

                                                            #694
                                                            You know, if Muslims hated you as much as you're telling me that they do...you'd be in a whole heap of worries. You do know that right?
                                                            Do you know how many Muslims there are in the world? It wasn't Muslims that attacked 9/11, but let's SAY it was.....3000 dead 10 years ago. Nothing noteworthy since huh? Wow. What happened to them all? Are they scared? Did their hate dissipate? Could they not collect a few grand more and send some cats here to walk the streets with boxcutters and **** you and yours up 1 by one?
                                                            Where is all the hatred? Cuz I'll tell ya Jack, if you were x333 000 000, and I was BY THE BILLIONS, I'd wipe your ass out in a NY minute if I hated you or believed my religion when it ordered me to hate you. (which I'm not sure it does, as once again, most Muslims dissect that book the same way you do logic. Take what they want and leave the rest)

                                                            So stop alleging some great hatred. If they hated you, they'd bleed you out in the street. The reason it doesn't match is because 9/11 wasn't a muslim job. It was Bin Laden playing a few vulnerable people like puppets to play out his dreams. No different than a Bundy. That doesn't make all Americans bundies.

                                                            Could it be that this anger and hatred that they all have due to reading the Koran and being brainwashed is TRUMPED to the HILT?
                                                            Yes I think so. Do you lie when you speak of this hatred? Yes. What's your source? 3-4 Laden videos? A few verses in some stone aged doctrine? Again, if they hated you, they'd bleed you out 1 by 1 in the streets.

                                                            If you keep whining, little boy, one day, papa is going to give you something that you can REALLY cry about.
                                                            That's the rules.

                                                            Those 3000 dead are = to 3000 anywhere else in the world.

                                                            USA put Bin Laden on hold to go kill WAY more than that.
                                                            Yet US functions overseas are non terrorism.

                                                            USA took wholesome young Iraqi men and young men, with USA FAR from their minds, and made them feel they had to defend their country, pick up the AK and plant IED. "Get The **** Out", they were made to feel. And since it's the Patriotic, Political and Religious mandate to fight, All 3 wrapped in 1. They were taken from their peaceful lives and instigated into a raging hell. Well played Pentagon.
                                                            I'm sure they want something there that trumps all the American and Iraqi blood. There is something there that a multi-billionaire's great grandson will benefit from.

                                                            You don't protect your borders at home by invading others' abroad.

                                                            Watch me take your wallet and perforate your trachea as I state, "I'm just protecting my house from B+E man. NOBODY messes with my house."
                                                            You gurgle out, "Who are you? I don't even KNOW you?" And I state, "and now I'm certain you won't. I'm also, on an unrelated matter, taking your wallet, or more specifically, the money inside, BUT ITS NOT ROBBERY, I'm just PROTECTING MY HOUSE."

                                                            University students studying in their own homeland...see US step in their country when they don't want them there.
                                                            That makes those US ops terrorism and puts a defensive posture to the insurgence. Not offensive. "They keep fighting us in the same city blocks that they grew up in. ******* terrorists." Are you kidding me? You must be off your Riddelin. There is NO WAY that if I'm shooting at someone from another country, on my own street, from my buddies roof, that *I'M* the ******* terrorist. It's simply not even close to possible.


                                                            Say China wanted to conquer NA, er pardon, WHEN China and co. conquer the West, how will you view their unwelcomed ass on your soil?
                                                            You'll posse up and let those MF have it right? Right.
                                                            That's what I'd do.

                                                            Now here is my point.

                                                            Do you know how many university students in Iraq had no intentions of ******* with USA, but once they were bombed with US munitions, civilians and all, stories from families in affected regions etc, they then OF COURSE took up a political and patriotic stance. Yes, religion is part in parcel with those two. So they picked up an AK and want to fight US soldiers and plant IED. What the shit do you think? OF COURSE.

                                                            You would too. Lack of empathy stops you from feeling for that.
                                                            In fact, if USA departed today, do you know how many Iraqis would hold on to their bitterness about the US invasion and hop on a flight to get revenge on US citizens? ZERO. Because according to YOU , their book tells them to forgive.


                                                            But DO NOT, put Muslims on the same plane as Bin Laden, and those 14 frustrated retards that couldn't find a BETTER way to slip US a shiv. Although, a shiv, the US, they did slip. Put Bundy and Manson and Dahlmer in with Laden.


                                                            Lastly, the only way you've answered for your own ideation so far has been to say, "THEY over THERE do things WRONGER than what you're accusing ME of."

                                                            And that won't do. You can't answer for yourself by pointing at others.

                                                            And yes, you feel that there is American life, and then all other life.
                                                            You have no empathy for any culture that is not your own.

                                                            You act like there isn't some homo beating his wife in the US right now.

                                                            You act as though beating women is a rule over there.

                                                            As for head covers, turns out that the women there want you to shut the **** up and stop telling them how they are supposed to feel about their head coverings. They like it fine and are insulted by your speculation.

                                                            Naw guy. You just don't have it.
                                                            You're a one-sided penny.

                                                            And now, once again, to that charge, you'll tell me that "THEY'RE the ones who are 1 sided pennies." and round and round you go you dizzy little ditz.


                                                            As for me being OK with the mission on those towers?
                                                            If I think about the atmosphere inside that building I get real somber.
                                                            When I see people jumping to their deaths, that just doesn't even register.
                                                            But when I think of people on cellphones with their families..........

                                                            So don't tell me for a ******* second that I think that 9/11 was some necessary evil.

                                                            I know you're all about excusing your christ-awful ideation with that notion of "necessary evil" but that's YOUR stank. Not mine.

                                                            But where my rage for your state of psyche lies is here:

                                                            All my empathy for the people in those towers = WRONG WAY.

                                                            Your empathy for the people in the first days of shock and awe or any of the other thousands of putrid orders given regarding "Tango", everyone displaced by this crap INCLUDING US soldiers, well to you it equals, = Because it's MY side, it's a NECESSARY EVIL.

                                                            I'm done with you.
                                                            If I thought for a second that all Americans were like you I'd make myself useful. And that's not religion talking.
                                                            You need to thank your lucky ******* stars that Muslims around the world are not who you think they are.

                                                            And if you're incapable of that, AT LEAST, for chirst's sake, acknowledge that religion doesn't really exist as an independent entity on that side of the globe and can't be discussed as though it were. Acknowledge that 9/11 was some coook with a vision. A nut job.

                                                            Then, finally, acknowledge all the upset Iraqis.

                                                            That's it. Just pretend you're 14 and hear the bombs drop.
                                                            Nobody you know ever talked of "when we're 18 we're going to fly to America and bleed them in the streets."
                                                            USA isn't even on your ******* RADAR. You're a 14 yr old Iraqi focused on school.
                                                            Or the boys mom doing laundry.
                                                            Or the dad selling veggies.
                                                            BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM.

                                                            Its WAS "we're protecting our shores"
                                                            Now it's "Saddam was a VERY bad guy and Kim Jong and African Dictators are an exception."
                                                            Mixed with, "if we do well in Iraq, we'll be safer from terrorists."

                                                            But all that happened was they invaded Iraq. INVADED IRAQ, under false-pretense, made a mess, and when told "WE'LL CLEAN IT UP JUST LEAVE OUR LAND." the USA say, "No no, we insist."

                                                            Please man.

                                                            You were telling me of moral highground and that there is objective moral highground and I was too naive to see it.

                                                            Hmmm. Yes. That's it. That MUST be it.
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                                                            • The Madcap
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                                                              • 07-03-10
                                                              • 2808

                                                              #695
                                                              Originally posted by DeeVeeOSs

                                                              INVADED IRAQ, under false-pretense, made a mess, and when told "WE'LL CLEAN IT UP JUST LEAVE OUR LAND." the USA say, "No no, we insist."

                                                              Please man.

                                                              You were telling me of moral highground and that there is objective moral highground and I was too naive to see it.

                                                              Hmmm. Yes. That's it. That MUST be it.
                                                              Ahhhh. Ok. Now we're getting somewhere.

                                                              You must understand, I don't blame any Iraqi that was just sitting at home minding his own business that got a bomb dropped on his house for deciding to pick up arms against the US. I don't blame them for that at all. If they do so because in their eyes it's in their self-defense and a matter of survival I've got no qualms with it. I don't consider them to be terrorists. Not at all. And I've never stated anything of the sort.

                                                              They aren't viewed in the same light as Osama and his nutjob friends.

                                                              But we can't just have nutjobs like Osama running around blowing up the world. The Muslim community has had decades to take these guys out. They didn't.

                                                              In the USA we had this organization known as the KKK. You've probably heard of it. Well they used to go around terrorizing black folks. And then one day people in the USA woke up and decided they were tired of letting those cracker fuks run around killing innocent people and spreading a message of hate. So they stood up to those assholes. They voted them out of office. Rated them out to the Feds. The President sent in the national guard to restore order and maintain peace. The innocent people of the USA stood up to those sons of bitches and took them down. They have no power in this country, and haven't had any, for a very, very long time.

                                                              No such stand has been made in the Muslim world. And that is why they now suffer at the hands of the United States. If they had stood up for peace against the hatred and violence of radical Islamists years ago, and convinced them that killing civilian people was wrong, then they never would have attacked US soil. They wouldn't have blown up that plane over Scotland. Or bombed the base in Beirut. We could have had peace. But the nutjobs like Osama don't want peace. They want to kill all the Jews and retake Israel, and will kill anyone that stands in their way. And they have a great deal of support in that endeavor. Enough support that folks like yourself, and the innocent students of Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan were too scared to stand up to them. And so they slowly began taking over minds. Much like the KKK once did in this country.

                                                              Perhaps none of this would have happened if the Brits hadn't insisted on creating a Jewish state in Israel. And perhaps they wouldn't have insisted on that if Ottoman Empire hadn't joined up with the Germans in WWI. And maybe that wouldn't have happened if the Brits weren't a bunch of imperialist pigs. But that's all in the past. There's nothing we can do about that now.

                                                              The point is, the number of nutjobs like Bin Laden had been growing for decades. They were not kept in check by their Muslim brethren. They bombed the US. And that was the last straw. The Islamic world had their chance to neutralize these shitheads---they didn't. If you want to argue invading Iraq wasn't the best way to go about dealing with these fuckos, fine. I won't disagree. Certainly there are moral arguments against. But then there were moral arguments against the a-bombs too. That one worked out all right. This one didn't. Tactical miscalculation. It happens.

                                                              The fact that remains is this: if it weren't for radical Islam, we'd be at peace right now. It is the inability of radical fundamentalist Muslims to accept the Jewish state that has led us to where we are now. Yes innocent people have been killed, and innocent people have been turned into killers. But again, it is the angry, violent, hate-filled Muslims that refuse live in a world with Jewish people (much like the KKK who couldn't share life with blacks) that are the cause of all this bloodshed. Someone had to deal with it. The U.S. was the only country with the balls and the resources to do it. So shut up and get the hell out of the way. If you get a bomb dropped on your head, sorry. You guys had your chance. You couldn't bother. So now we have to. You think we want to? Fuk you. Like I said, we'd rather be at home drinking beer and watching football on a plasma big screen then sweating our balls off in the fukking desert 6,000 miles from home. All we want is peace. Sometimes you've got to kill a few fukkers to get it.
                                                              No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                                                              • DeeVeeOSs
                                                                SBR Hustler
                                                                • 07-03-10
                                                                • 71

                                                                #696
                                                                Originally posted by The Madcap
                                                                Ahhhh. Ok. Now we're getting somewhere....

                                                                You must understand, I don't blame any Iraqi that was just sitting at home minding his own business that got a bomb dropped on his house for deciding to pick up arms against the US. I don't blame them for that at all. If they do so because in their eyes it's in their self-defense and a matter of survival I've got no qualms with it. I don't consider them to be terrorists. Not at all. And I've never stated anything of the sort....con't above

                                                                .... Sometimes you've got to kill a few fukkers to get it. <--- Good, then you'll have no issues letting Israel fight her own battles. Muslims will attack, they will defend, dust will settle, there will be peace.
                                                                It's not like you're there on moral high ground ANYWAY. Let's let Israel be those "fukkers". It's worth it for peace. You just said exactly so.


                                                                A guy, the other day, told me that if immigrant Irish could make a life in the states, so could the blacks.
                                                                He said that the blacks take up welfare and this and that and crime blablabla.

                                                                But the Irish? The Irish, he said, took the *same situation* and instead of being lazy, worked hard and made something of themselves. I wanted to show the dickweed why you "either go Lansky or nothing at all".

                                                                Now here we have you telling me the same thing with the KKK "overthrow" and that great success, and then you contrasting it with the crime of omission, by the Muslim people not rising up and overthrowing the leaders.

                                                                And you so confidently, and cockily, hold the 2 examples up, side by side, and lay simple blame to a crime of omission as well as choosing not to get along with the Jews. Last I heard, the Jews could choose to get along too. Last I heard, it's not 1 sided. Although if there were a religion based struggle in the world...THAT would be an authentic one.

                                                                Out your left side you say you have no beef with the guy who didn't do shit and got his house bombed and son blown up, out the right side of your mouth you insinuate and imply that that guy brought it upon himself by not getting up and speaking out that Jews should be left alone and the leaders should be overthrown.

                                                                In Brazil, they throw kids in the garbage after feeding them a 5.56 to the head. Know why? They're bad for business. Bad for tourism.

                                                                So that's there. You put your arm up to say something contrary, you get it hacked off.

                                                                Now let's look at the states.

                                                                Not all the richest in the states were KKK.
                                                                In fact, not many at all.

                                                                I hate the idea of slaves, but as far as that goes, there were bastard slave drivers and there were the ones that used slaves as more of servants instead of work mules to be beat and tortured. After all, they were already rich.

                                                                When the slaves were freed, many simply stayed with their masters as that was the food, the work the shelter, raise family etc.

                                                                So when dickhead KKK wanted to have a go with the black man, there were some very rich and very dangerous people that said, "uh uh, those are good folk". I mean blacks would raise their children. They were considered family in many areas. And no, I'm not interested in arguing semantics, the premise stands tall.

                                                                Long story short, who's help do Muslims have if they want to overthrow?
                                                                Egypt showed an example and now I see a new headline everyday about a different country in that part rising up.

                                                                But it's so stinking corrupt.

                                                                Be that as it may, we're starting to see the 'standing up' which is good.

                                                                My point to you is stop being naive and deceiving yourself into thinking it "could have happened at ANY point in time and their crime of omission still stands."

                                                                a) I know a dude where you can have free speech and offend him. He won't kill you for it.
                                                                b) But between meds, if you say the wrong thing, you will suffer, he'll act first and he'll regret it later.

                                                                a) you're real brave, overthrow the KKK
                                                                b) you mind your step because you like being there for your family.

                                                                =

                                                                Also, as for the Jews, if you wanna play that card. If the Jews are hated like you say, why are they not dead? US interference. The headline beside "Egypt overthrows" is "Israel fears Egypts freedom."
                                                                Doesn't that tell you something?
                                                                Tells me that USA is the only thing from having that whole issue worked out amongst themselves within plenty fast of time.

                                                                It also tells me that the downpression that the Egyptian people have felt has been US sanctioned.

                                                                Put yourself in ANY other country in the world and look at the situation.
                                                                See to you, US has business defending the Jews. That's because USA can do no wrong in your eyes.

                                                                But to that side of the world, as far as they're concerned, and as far as I'm concerned, USA needs to back off and let nature take it's course.

                                                                If USA would @#$% OFF and stop "defending it's shores" by invading and meddling abroad, then Israel would FALL and the conflict would be DONE.

                                                                I remember one time I came under a spell and my lights were shaking.
                                                                I needed to lie down and equalize my blood pressure at all points.
                                                                My lights would have returned and I'd have felt better.

                                                                But my buddies were holding me up. This "helping" caused my lights to dim out completely.

                                                                Or take puking.

                                                                You can choke back puke and swallow little upchucky chunks for as long as you can.
                                                                But why?

                                                                Why not just harf once and be done?


                                                                US to mind it's own business, (like it doesn't have enough on it's plate)
                                                                and let that situation pan out as it has/should have long ago.


                                                                Let me explain something here.

                                                                USA doesn't back Israel out of moral high ground.
                                                                It's out of vested interest.
                                                                Like almost all of it's ops.

                                                                No?

                                                                Then how is Haiti, all of a few million people deep, no more people than Michigan and just as small, literally helpless?
                                                                Eyewitness accounts state, "you wouldn't know if the quake hit well over a year ago. It looks, (not seems) like it was here yesterday. Everything is still rubble."

                                                                Gangs raping women in the middle of the night ad lib.
                                                                Stealing food and anything they want.

                                                                Iraq is no where near that type of turmoil.
                                                                Yet still, 3457643276475832645327329564328975632456 tons of armor can easily find it's way 2000 miles overseas, but Haiti, just outside the Mexican basin, and desperate from an act of God, should be put on hold?

                                                                So you can go in to help/invest with guns and US soldier's blood and puppet governments that will promise monitary gain over the next decades...

                                                                ...but grains and gauze will have to wait?

                                                                Again, it's not that simple and I have zero interest in arguing those semantics but the premise stands firm.

                                                                So I say, America is propping up Israel due to vested interest.
                                                                Not moral high ground.
                                                                So how in the SHIT are YOU, an American citizen, going to tell me, an impartial observer, that "Muslims should just ignore Israel and peace it all out," when that situation would have/should have been resolved BUT FOR U.S. involvement?

                                                                Israel is a fat cat surrounded by poverty.
                                                                It's almost like the only Mecca for the rich aside from western Europe over there.
                                                                Turkey's not doing bad, India, etc, but in terms of cat's ass fat cat? Israel is mega-rich and they're surrounded by mega-poor. I'm sure it's only because they worked very hard at everything and that the muslims are a lazy people. That's certainly the only explanation.

                                                                ---

                                                                Lastly, you stated that you consider yourself in the absence of a God.

                                                                What do you mean by "God"?

                                                                What parameters have you tested for?

                                                                I mean, that's noun form; thus, I'm curious which attributes you've assigned it/him/her/?/_ /.

                                                                For instance, I can test for a firetruck red GT Stang convertible in my garage.
                                                                We all know what that looks like.
                                                                I can tell you if a Santa is in my garage.
                                                                A pink teapot, and even a pink unicorn.

                                                                All of these have well defined attributes to suit the noun.

                                                                So when you say "g/God", do you even know what the @#$% you're talking about? No huh?

                                                                The atheist position can not be maintained because the SECOND that the word "god" enters as it's foundation, the entire idea/meaning IMPLODES like it were building #7. And if one avoids the objective communication of the idea, and switches to a subjective one; then, the objective idea disappears and it's nothing more than the observers "favorite color" that takes precedence.

                                                                So either you're talking petty subjective talk, where you say, "I think god is perfect and looks like pink smoke. Nope no smoke, no perfect, no god."

                                                                OR

                                                                You're using the word god OBJECTIVELY in which case your definition is ____ ?
                                                                (pardon me, in which case *THE* definition is?)

                                                                Either way, you're out of your league thinking about those 3 letters aligned in that sequence.

                                                                It's a little bit exactly like the issues with wave theory.

                                                                Good night then.
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                                                                • terpkeg
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                                                                  • 10-26-09
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                                                                  #697
                                                                  WOW Madcap, It is amazing that you always have so much to say about shit that you have no true knowledge of.

                                                                  You are aware that there are different sects of Muslims with different ideologies. The USA has stuck its nose in the business of the middle east for decades. This is one of the reasons Al Queda attacks us. They use our interventionism to breed hate.

                                                                  You say, "the muslims should have took care of their own, now we have to" How ignorant is that??? One of the reasons Al Queda survives is the USA support for dictatorships such as the regime in Suadi Arabi and Egypt (until recently). When young muslims grow up in an unjust society whose gov't is supported by USA aid, it is easy to turn your hate and agression towards the USA.

                                                                  You act like Jew v. Muslim is the only conflict in the middle east. What about the millenia old confilct between the Sunnis and the Shiates. I mean, I am not a religion or middle east scholar, but it is astonishing to me that many people, even our elected officials, do not understand shit about this.

                                                                  We start a war under false pretenses in Iraq, where the Sunni minority has controlled the majority for years, and then are shocked when there is civil war that we cannot control. That is just great, turn the country over to the Shiites.

                                                                  What about when USA was arming Sadam's sunni regime to fight against Shiite Iran? Or, what about when USA armed the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight against the Soviets.

                                                                  You are an ignorant asshole with a worthless opinion on just about everything. Go read a f'n book.
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                                                                  • The Madcap
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                                                                    • 07-03-10
                                                                    • 2808

                                                                    #698
                                                                    DeeVos-

                                                                    are you drunk? Your thoughts are all running together and barely decipherable this time.

                                                                    And you are once again projecting your opinions of Americans on me.

                                                                    You're equating Haiti to Iraq? It's a complete non-sequitur. Haitians aren't going around hijacking planes and blowing shit up.

                                                                    And I've never stated I believe the U.S. can do no wrong. We screw shit up all the time. When have I said any different?

                                                                    So you, as an outside observer, are of the thought that the U.S. should just pull out and let all the Jews get slaughtered? That's your solution?

                                                                    wow. Well at least we know where you really stand now.

                                                                    Look, the cold hearted bastard in me would love to sit back and let nature take its course as you suggest. Nothing would make me happier than to let them kill each other off and rid the world of their stupid bullshit all together. But it's not that simple.

                                                                    Israel is a tiny county of a few million Jews surrounded by about billion Muslims. You think when cornered in that scenario they are just going to accept a hostile takeover?

                                                                    They are going to bomb every Muslim city within reach and launch their damn nukes, and start a nuclear fukking holocaust. Hitler taught the Heebs a very valuable lesson: when faced with oppression you can't just take it. And they won't. They will go out swinging.

                                                                    You obviously realize by my past comments that I am not specifically sympathetic to Israel or Jews. I am however, sympathetic to myself, and the MILLIONS of people that will die if Israel is left undefended.

                                                                    Yes, America does have self-interest in Israel. The self-interest of living. Humanity in general has a self-interest in the survival of Israel. Even if they are too big of pussies to admit it. Israel won't just collapse. It will implode and take the world with it.


                                                                    Your talk in this latest post is dangerous talk Deevos. It sounds as if you agree with Al Qaeda. It sounds as if you believe that Israel should be abandoned and the Jews left to the whims of the Islamic mob. Is that what you are saying? If that's what you are saying, then how can you possibly defend any of the things you've written about peace and equality?

                                                                    I am by no means defending the violent/aggressive actions taken by Israel against Muslims. And as I have pointed out, looking back it seems to me that if the Brits hadn't been so damned determined to form a Jewish state,we wouldn't be here. But we are here. The Jews have nukes. For the time being, the Muslims don't. The Jews have shown they have the ability to refrain from using them. The Muslims have shown they will stop at nothing to kill Jews and take over Israel. Either way, abandoning Israel is to invite the destruction of all life on earth. For those of us who don't believe in an afterlife that includes dozens of virgins, we don't have the luxury of just bailing out and letting that happen.
                                                                    No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                                                                    • The Madcap
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 07-03-10
                                                                      • 2808

                                                                      #699
                                                                      Originally posted by terpkeg
                                                                      WOW Madcap, It is amazing that you always have so much to say about shit that you have no true knowledge of.
                                                                      Really?

                                                                      You really think I wasn't aware of any of that shit?

                                                                      Why don't YOU go read some fukking books. I'm rather certain I have a more informed conception of this conflict than you do. Or can you tell me what the Treaty of London and Russia's foreign policy circa 1914 has to do with it? I doubt it.

                                                                      Yes it is easy for them to turn their hate against the US. Just like it was easy for the KKK to turn the hatred of poor whites against blacks.

                                                                      This shit is a hell of a lot deeper than anything the US has been apart of. And it does go a ways back. Perhaps you should go read into it before you go running your damned mouth and cussing at strangers.

                                                                      You want to disagree, then disagree, but don't try and step to me like I'm some asshole that woke up yesterday. Especially when it's obvious you just entered into this conversation like a lost child wandering into a movie. You're the one that don't know what the fuk he's talking about. So I'd appreciate it if you back the fuk off until you do. And then an apology for over-stepping your bounds and running your mouth in a place you didn't belong would be a nice start.
                                                                      Last edited by The Madcap; 02-18-11, 01:19 AM.
                                                                      No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                                                                        • 11-27-09
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                                                                        #700
                                                                        Originally posted by JohnGalt2341
                                                                        Indeed! I often wonder about if there IS intelligent life on other planets(I believe there is) do they all have religion like we do? My guess is yes... not because I think there is a god but because I think it's natural to think that way... especially in primitive society's. I wonder what an entire planet of Atheists would be like? They're probably watching over us now laughing about our Wars over invisible men in the sky.
                                                                        Asking the gods for advice & answers all spawned in our human species when we evolved to the point of rational thought.

                                                                        It comes down to 2 basic questions that none of us can answer.

                                                                        where did we come from & where are we going

                                                                        Im fine with not givin a fuk either way & dont need to make up elaborate paradises but someone saw fit to many moons ago & the men in power saw how to exploit it for the weak of mind & depth
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