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    TRUMP OWES over $1 Billion debt

    Donald Trump Has At Least $1 Billion In Debt, More Than Twice The Amount He Suggested





    The presidentís liabilities are spelled out in dozens of documents, published here.






    No aspect of Donald Trumpís business has been the subject of more speculation than his debt load. Lots of people believe the president owes $400 million, especially after Trump seemed to agree with that figure on national television Thursday night. In reality, however, he owes more than $1 billion.

    The loans are spread out over more than a dozen different assetsóhotels, buildings, mansions and golf courses. Most are listed on the financial disclosure report Trump files annually with the federal government. Two, which add up to an estimated $447 million, are not.

    It is important to note, as Trump did Thursday night, that he also has significant assets. Forbes values them at $3.66 billion, enough to make his net worth an estimated $2.5 billion. He is not broke, despite what many critics claim.


    Some people also like to suggest that Deutsche Bank is the only institution willing to lend to Trump. Thatís not true. The presidentís creditors include at least six other institutions, two of which began or reworked deals while the president was in office.

    One reason for all the confusion: Trumpís loans are not fully transparent. Itís still unclear to whom he owes an estimated $162 million against his skyscraper in San Francisco, for example. The loan against 1290 Avenue of the Americas is also something of a mystery. And itís difficult to pin down the amount the president owes on a loan tied to his Bedford, New York, mansion. When asked about all of this, the Trump Organization did not respond.
    Hereís what we knowóand donít knowóabout the presidentís debt.


    1290 Avenue of the Americas


    What Trump owes: $285 million

    Who is the creditor: Unclear (see below)

    When itís due: November 2022

    Interest rate: 3.34%

    The documents:





    Donald Trump owns a 30% interest in 1290 Avenue of the Americas, which might explain why he does not list its debt on the financial disclosure report he files annually with federal ethics officials. Trumpís share of the debt on the building appears to be the largest liability in his entire portfolio. In 2012, he and his business partner, Vornado Realty Trust, got a $950 million loan from four financial institutions: Deutsche Bank, UBS, Goldman Sachs and the state-owned Bank of China. It is not clear exactly who holds the debt today. The Bank of China told Politico that it had sold off its portion of the loan.


    Trump International Hotel Washington, D.C.



    What Trump owes: Est. $170 million

    Who is the creditor: Deutsche Bank

    When itís due: Sometime in 2024

    Interest rate: Variable

    The documents:





    555 California Street


    What Trump owes: Est. $162 million

    Who is the creditor: Unclear (see below)

    When itís due: September 2021

    Interest rate: 5.1%

    The document:






    Trump also owns a 30% stake alongside Vornado in 555 California Street, a skyscraper in downtown San Francisco. The partners have been paying down the loan, but they might make changes to it soon. In June, Vornado announced that it was considering whether to recapitalize 555 California Street and 1290 Avenue of the Americas. Any transaction involving those two buildings could have a huge effect on Trumpís business, given that his stakes in the two properties are his most valuable assets.


    40 Wall Street


    What Trump owes: $138 million

    Who is the creditor: Ladder Capital

    When itís due: July 6, 2025

    Interest rate: 3.665%

    The documents:








    The 40 Wall Street loan was broken up into several different notes, detailed here and below.




    These SEC documents provide more detail on Trump's monthly payments and his remaining balance.


    Weeks after announcing his initial presidential run, Trump refinanced his skyscraper in downtown Manhattan, borrowing $160 million. He has been paying down the debt ever since, but he still owes $138 million, according to documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.


    Trump National Doral


    What Trump owes: Est. $125 million

    Who is the creditor: Deutsche Bank

    When itís due: Sometime in 2023

    Interest rate: Variable

    The documents:


    Trump took out two separate mortgages against his famed Doral golf resort in Miami.
    Trump got a $106 million mortgage against his Miami golf resort from Deutsche Bank in 2012, at the time that he purchased the property. In August 2015, shortly after Trump launched his presidential bid, he got a second loan against Doral, this time for $19 million. Itís possible that his debt on the property is now more than the $125 million combined value of the mortgages. The New York Times reported last month that Trumpís balance totals $148 million.

    Trump Tower


    What Trump owes: $100 million

    Who is the creditor: Ladder Capital

    When itís due: September 6, 2022

    Interest rate: 4.2%

    The documents:


    The first liability listed on Trump's disclosure describes the loan behind his most iconic building, Trump Tower.

    The president's loan at Trump Tower requires no principal payments. That's nice for now, but it means the president will need to come up with $100 million in 2022.
    he has not come up with $100 million for this debt

    Trump International Hotel & Tower (Chicago)


    What Trump owes: More than $75 million

    Who are the creditors: Deutsche Bank, Chicago Unit Acquisition LLC

    When itís due: 2024 for part of it, unclear for the rest

    Interest rate: Variable

    The document:


    Trump's financial disclosure report shows two liabilities against his tower in Chicago, including his ever-perplexing loan with Chicago Unit Acquisition LLC.
    The debt against Trumpís Chicago tower includes the most confounding liability in his portfolio. In addition to a Deutsche Bank loan for what seems to be $45 million, thereís a loan of more than $50 million, from a creditor named Chicago Unit Acquisition LLC. Hereís where things gets confusing: Donald Trump owns Chicago Unit Acquisition LLC, so heís lending money to himself. If one of his companies owes more than $50 million to another one of his companies, then the company lending the money should theoretically be worth more than $50 million. But Trump does not list any value for Chicago Unit Acquisition LLC on his financial disclosure report. All of this has befuddled investigative reporters from Mother Jones, the Washington Post and, yes, Forbes for years.



    ok cant post the rest have to pay to see the rest


    cant run away forever trump your caught busted now pay up liquidate everything he owns collect


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    OK heres the rest of his debts

    Trump Plaza


    What Trump owes: $13 million

    Who is the creditor: Ladder Capital

    When it’s due: July 6, 2024

    Interest rate: 3.85%

    The documents:


    Ladder Capital has helped Trump borrow hundreds of millions of dollars through several transactions.

    Trump is slowly paying off his debt at Trump Plaza, as this SEC document shows.
    Through a company called Trump Plaza LLC, the president controls two brownstone apartment buildings, a garage and a strip of retail shops on Third Avenue in New York City. From 2017 to 2019, one of the tenants paying rent to Trump Plaza LLC was Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign.


    Palm Beach, Fla. home


    What Trump owes: Est. $11 million

    Who is the creditor: Professional Bank

    When it’s due: June 1, 2048

    Interest rate: 4.5%

    The documents:


    Trump borrowed $11.2 million from Professional Bank while in office.

    The Professional Bank loan helped Trump buy his sister’s mansion, which sits near Mar-a-Lago.

    This 30-year mortgage has the most distant maturity date of anything in the president’s portfolio.
    Trump took out a 30-year, $11.2 million mortgage from Professional Bank on May 16, 2018, the day he purchased an $18.5 million home near Mar-a-Lago from his sister Maryanne Trump Barry.


    Trump National Golf Club, Colts Neck


    What Trump owes: Est. $11 million

    Who is the creditor: Amboy Bank

    When it’s due: Sometime in 2028

    Interest rate: 5.25%

    The documents:


    Trump borrowed $18 million across two mortgages to help finance the purchase of a golf club in New Jersey.

    Despite all the money Trump spent on the place, the Colts Neck club has proved to be a disappointment.

    His lender on the property is a local New Jersey institution named Amboy Bank, as the president's financial disclosure report shows.
    Trump purchased a golf club in Colts Neck, New Jersey, for $28 million in 2008, borrowing $18 million from a local institution called Amboy Bank. In 2019, the club produced just $7.6 million of revenue, suggesting it’s now worth about half of what Trump paid for it. Forbes estimates he still owes roughly $11 million on the property.



    Trump Park Avenue


    What Trump owes: Est. $10 million

    Who is the creditor: Investors Savings Bank

    When it’s due: Sometime in 2020

    Interest rate: 3.25%

    The documents:


    The debt against Trump Park Avenue is one of the president's cheapest loans, with an interest rate of just 3.25%.

    An employee inside the Trump Organization said that the loan had $9.8 million of principal left in February 2019.
    The president’s financial disclosure report, which discloses assets and liabilities in broad ranges, lists the loan against Trump Park Avenue at $5 million to $25 million. Patrick Birney, who works in financial operations at the Trump Organization, said in February 2019 that the balance was just under $10 million. It’s possible that the principal is lower today.


    Trump National Golf Club, Washington, D.C.


    What Trump owes: Est. $7 million

    Who is the creditor: Chevy Chase Trust Holdings

    When it’s due: Sometime in 2029

    Interest rate: 5.5%

    The documents:


    Of the ten traditional golf clubs in Trump's portfolio, only his properties in Colts Neck, New Jersey, and the D.C. suburbs have loans against them.

    This document shows that the president took out $10 million to buy his golf course near Washington, D.C.
    Trump took out a $10 million loan in 2009, when he bought a golf course near his future home for $13 million. Forbes estimates its principal outstanding is now more like $7 million. With a 5.5% interest rate, it’s one of Trump’s priciest loans.


    Trump International Hotel & Tower (NYC)


    What Trump owes: $6 million

    Who is the creditor: Ladder Capital

    When it’s due: August 6, 2026

    Interest rate: 4.05%

    The documents:


    Trump discloses a handful of smaller loans on his annual ethics filing, including this one against Trump International Hotel & Tower in New York City.

    Trump chips away at this loan month-by-month, making payments of less than $50,000 to his lenders.
    Five months before he was elected president, Donald Trump refinanced the debt against this tower on the corner of New York City’s Central Park.


    Seven Springs


    What Trump owes: $5-25 million

    Who is the creditor: The Bryn Mawr Trust Company

    When it’s due: Sometime in 2029

    Interest rate: 4.5%

    The document:


    Trump's financial disclosure report describes his loan against Seven Springs, a mansion he owns in New York.
    At some point last year, while the president was in office, the Trump Organization reworked the loan against his New York estate. The maturity date moved from 2019 to 2029, and the interest rate jumped from 4% to 4.5%. It’s unclear exactly how much the president still owes on the loan.



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    Big f'n deal....

    biden just incurred another 300 billion dollar debt he can't pay.........

    i hope he rings your dumb ass up for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auto Donk View Post
    Big f'n deal....

    biden just incurred another 300 billion dollar debt he can't pay.........

    i hope he rings your dumb ass up for it!
    Another Sleepy46 lie. It's way more than the $300 billion he's claiming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeggieDog View Post
    Another Sleepy46 lie. It's way more than the $300 billion he's claiming.
    the asshole is up to 4 trillion dollars of spending despite knowing we/he/us taxpayers can't cover it......

    part of obama's/rice's/klain's/soros' plan to bankrupt the us to make the United States, officially, the banana republic it is already becoming.....

    raiding and arresting political opponents, autocratic, broke, etc, etc....



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    OldBill.... enough of the useless posts. You're wasting your time. Go rub one out or something.

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    Keep up the good work Bill. Tremendous thread once again.

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    TDS: a mental condition in which a person has been driven effectively insane due to their hatred of Donald Trump, to the point they actually abandon all logic and reason.


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    Bill triggers the right. They donít like seeing factual statements.

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    ^ He doesn't trigger anything. I sit here wondering.... how long did this fool take to copy and paste everything above? Like seriously... an hour? That's the real issue here.

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    Let us know when he is homeless and sleeping on the streets of San Francisco.

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    Fake news. Triggered, TDS...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kermit View Post
    Let us know when he is homeless and sleeping on the streets of San Francisco.
    He'll have a new home soon. Perhaps Coleman Penetentiary in Florida.

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    I'm more baffled how PVA's can't, or don't, know who the actual owner of a property is, or the main holder of the debt, or the deed/title holder, etc.

    Just here in Louisville - and on a much smaller scale -meaning not resorts and skyscrapers - but local vacant lots or boarded up homes. For years local news and newspaper have done articles about how the city has trouble pinpointing who is the actual owner of a piece of property, so that they can go after them for cleaning up the lot, and/or the run-down boarded up home.
    It's always the same thing - they'll locate the last person listed and that entity will say they sold it to this other company, or at an auction, or to a trust - and then they try and track that entity down and they'll say they sold their share, or it was merged with a buyout from former company into a bundle of assets and then auctioned off to so-n-so investment trust of properties - then that company will say they were bought out and/or merged and that a new bank , or group of banks have restructured the financing of the assets.. and on and on - and whole time i'm reading these articles, or watching a local news reporter try and explain all the people they reached out to and tried to track down who actual owns the property at blah blah blah street - i'm like "HOW DA F*@K IS THIS SO HARD to know who actually owns a piece of property and holds the deed?!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    He'll have a new home soon. Perhaps Coleman Penetentiary in Florida.
    It's a far more likely you'll spend time in prison than Trump ever will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DwightShrute View Post
    It's a far more likely you'll spend time in prison than Trump ever will.
    Cool. Let's make a "who goes to prison" first wager.
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    Trump owes 1 bill.

    FED Gov owes 23 Trill.

    Hope I'm not around when this "Madoff-Like" system comes crashin down..............

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    Old bill is the definition of obsessed.

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    ok trmptards here it is



    7 times your trumptard said this seven times he opened his dumb mouth and lastly the one he said only the mob pleads the 5th lmao

    and now a jury can say because he did not answer the questions they can prosecute him if it goes to trail and because dummy pleaded the 5th 24 times he cannot speak to defend himself nor can his lawyers who now are scrambling to try n figure out what to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot View Post
    ^ He doesn't trigger anything. I sit here wondering.... how long did this fool take to copy and paste everything above? Like seriously... an hour? That's the real issue here.
    Believe what you want the right is in all his threads

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsamazing777 View Post
    Old bill is the definition of obsessed.
    It's unfortunate, but I think you're right Mazin...................
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    Everybody chill. Nobody is going to jail. Presidents and ex-presidents do not go to jail. Itís a big club and Trump is a life-long member.

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    we are not here to teach you how a loan works Bill go upstairs and ask mommy
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose View Post
    Everybody chill. Nobody is going to jail. Presidents and ex-presidents do not go to jail. It’s a big club and Trump is a life-long member.
    There's a first for everything. And 45 in 235 years is not that big a club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goduke View Post
    Bill triggers the right. They don’t like seeing factual statements.
    at least he doesn't finger-bang us like ol' you-know-who, the big guy, the finger-bangin' rapist of Tara Reade, the incestuous, handsy with his own daughter Ashley, pedophile joe biden......

    these facts gotta hurt:









    Ashley remembers "trauma"..... including the trauma caused by "showers w/ my dad (probably not appropriate)"....


    ouch.....

    INCESTUOUS PEDOPHILE JOESEPH ROBINETTE BIDEN ........

    just let those FACTS sink in for a bit........

    mmm mmmph...... what a f'n disgrace!

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    ok yeah i hate trump with passion ungodly and if you want to persecute biden in court better have evidence

    TRUMP put our country at risk giving away secret classified information

    he totally cause a mob of idiots to destroy the capitol building and said his own VP was weak and should die or something like that

    fawkkkkkkkkk you all who support THE GOP and trump and his tards wait wait only 2 years away is 2024 then after 6 months when you tards vote in GOP pres i will come back and see what you think how da fawkkkkwad is doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBill View Post
    ok yeah i hate trump with passion ungodly and if you want to persecute biden in court better have evidence

    TRUMP put our country at risk giving away secret classified information

    he totally cause a mob of idiots to destroy the capitol building and said his own VP was weak and should die or something like that

    fawkkkkkkkkk you all who support THE GOP and trump and his tards wait wait only 2 years away is 2024 then after 6 months when you tards vote in GOP pres i will come back and see what you think how da fawkkkkwad is doing.
    You don't know that he did any such thing regarding secret classified information. Trump never caused anyone to destroy anything. He never said Pence should die or anything like that. He said people should march peacefully.

    You repeat fake news and make things up. You are committed to deception. That's why people don't take you serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBill View Post
    ok yeah i hate trump with passion ungodly and if you want to persecute biden in court better have evidence

    TRUMP put our country at risk giving away secret classified information

    he totally cause a mob of idiots to destroy the capitol building and said his own VP was weak and should die or something like that

    fawkkkkkkkkk you all who support THE GOP and trump and his tards wait wait only 2 years away is 2024 then after 6 months when you tards vote in GOP pres i will come back and see what you think how da fawkkkkwad is doing.
    evidence like his own daughter saying he finger banged her in the shower when she was ten years old?

    book him danno......


    evidence like emails, now verified as totally legit, that the "big guy" aka joe rapin' robinette biden gets ten percent of the chinese payments?

    book him danno


    evidence like the testimony and prior written statements by Tara Reade that joe rapin' robinette biden finger-bang-raped her in the hallowed halls of the senate?

    book him, Danno!!!!


    the man is a total piece of corrupt and raping pedophilia-filled shit.......


    speaks volumes about those who now know that, like yourself, yet you continue to carry his water.....

    as for trump, he's a boorish narcissist, too ignorant and self-absorbed to follow sound advice, but at least his policies kept out millions of migrants (joes at 4.9 million), didn't illegally attempt to shift wealth onto taxpayers from dead beats, kept any wars from breaking out; resulted in no deaths in afghanistan after he laid the law down on the taliban, etc. etc etc etc.


    we'd all have more respect for you if you admitted what a failure and creep and criminal biden is, instead of acting like the piece of shit is in anyway a decent man, which he isn't... he never has been, he never will be...... that's why, in his prime, he never garnered more than 2 percent of his party's support in each of his woefully failed presidential runs, being ousted each time once show to be a lying piece of plaigarizing shit....

    only in 2019, when a totally morally bankrupt democratic party with no other options was forced to do so, did joe robinette biden get the nod by corrupt dems (see jim clyburne and co) who realized they could paint a fake "ol uncle joe the uniting moderate" narrative to sell idiots like you on him being a legit alternative to the republican candidate..... they correctly decided that an old socialist jew, a fake indian socialist, and a homo who'd failed as the mayor of a podunk college town had absolutely no chance, but if they lied about biden and stuffed enough ballot boxes in WI, MI, PA, GA and AZ, they could possibly support a fake narrative the ol uncle joe the uniter rec'd 81 million votes, which we all know didn't happen... He's a failure, and morally bankrupt, always has been, always will be.....

    look at what the incestuous piece of shit pedophile did to his own fukked up family, how totally f'd in the head they all became, and ask yourself how a failure like that would have any chance leading a nation......
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    i repeat Fake news lmao DWIGHT STRUTE who started the term Fake NEWS? HUH! ya your loving TRUMP

    who by the way raped a 13 yr old girl with his pal epstein and because HE said to her if you try and go forth i will injure or kill your family and her 2nd attempt to persecute rapist trump she had to drop because of fear for her life

    they got e mails of biden raping his own daughter ok if true then it will come out when he is removed from office until then just wait

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBill View Post
    i repeat Fake news lmao DWIGHT STRUTE who started the term Fake NEWS? HUH! ya your loving TRUMP

    who by the way raped a 13 yr old girl with his pal epstein and because HE said to her if you try and go forth i will injure or kill your family and her 2nd attempt to persecute rapist trump she had to drop because of fear for her life

    they got e mails of biden raping his own daughter ok if true then it will come out when he is removed from office until then just wait
    who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBill View Post
    i repeat Fake news lmao DWIGHT STRUTE who started the term Fake NEWS? HUH! ya your loving TRUMP

    who by the way raped a 13 yr old girl with his pal epstein and because HE said to her if you try and go forth i will injure or kill your family and her 2nd attempt to persecute rapist trump she had to drop because of fear for her life

    they got e mails of biden raping his own daughter ok if true then it will come out when he is removed from office until then just wait
    dumbass, anyone in the know, myself included, had the ashley diary before the 2020 election. the left didn't care enough then to deep six his campaign, why in the fuk do you think they'd impeach and convict and remove him from office now over it.....

    get your head out, for chrissakes......



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    ps... the emails are of joe taking ten percent of hunter's influence peddling deals; 50 percent of his burisma salary (hunters own emails and texts), and text messages are of him and the fake whore doctor covering up Hunter bangin' joe's granddaughter (beau's daughter) natalie....

    THE DIARY is the evidence of ashley calling joe an incestuous pedophile......

    goddammit bill, get with the f'n program already!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auto Donk View Post
    ps... the emails are of joe taking ten percent of hunter's influence peddling deals; 50 percent of his burisma salary (hunters own emails and texts), and text messages are of him and the fake whore doctor covering up Hunter bangin' joe's granddaughter (beau's daughter) natalie....

    THE DIARY is the evidence of ashley calling joe an incestuous pedophile......

    goddammit bill, get with the f'n program already!!!!
    I tried reasoning with him.

    Last edited by Roscoe_Word; 08-29-22 at 08:26 PM.

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